Topic : 02/21 More Wifestyles

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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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February 26, 2006, 4:28 pm PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

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...I have just gone back to work since my kids have been of school age.  I was a stay-at-home mom until my youngest went to school three years ago.  Before my oldest child was born, I was a real estate broker and appraiser, and put in 60 or so hours per week myself---much of it, nights, weekends, and holidays.  When it came time for me to go back to work, I knew that I couldn't continue that kind of work schedule and still have any kind of quallity family life.  I went back to school and got my teacher's certificate.  Now I keep the same work hours as my kids have in school.  There was a tremendous cut in pay, but I can now be there for them when they get out of school, and we have a wonderful time in the summer together!!  My husband recognizes that they are not just MY kids---he wants a relationship with them too.  That was the case when I was staying at home as well as now that I'm working again.  The way to foster a relationship with young kids is to be there on a daily basis with them----you have to do things with them and for them.  It's not all play---you have to change diapers and give baths and feed them and wait on them when they're sick.  A husband who leaves those "chores" to the wife is really missing the boat!  My husband GETS IT.  He also gets that I have my hands full---then and now.  There has certainly been a fair amount of "training" involved to get him to this point.  I have gone "on strike" more than one time.  And even now, he works so many hours that I often feel like a single parent.  However, the fact that he GETS IT makes all the difference in the world.  I know that he IS there to pick up the slack when I need him to be.  But most importantly, I think, is that neither of us FRET over STUFF!!  Sometimes my tupperware falls out of the cabinet, and I have to search around sometimes for a certain bill.  But food gets cooked, bills get paid, and we are all very healthy and happy.....thank you very much.  Cleaning just really doesn't rank very high on the list in the grand scheme of things!  I think that is what I was really trying to say.  The thought that a couple with children is contemplating DIVORCE over who cleans what and how....is just beyond belief!
Amen, sister!
 
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February 26, 2006, 4:29 pm PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

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The reason I think you need to walk a few miles in Kelly's shoes is so you can have a reality check for your expectations.  What you seem to want is so far beyond what even an organized and focused woman could do (I know-Dianna with her one daughter at home can do all of her household tasks in 20 min-what does she allot to making supper?  12 seconds?) 

  

I think you need some understanding of the job that you totally ignore in all of this-parenting three preschoolers full time day after day. 

Amen, sister!
 
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February 26, 2006, 4:51 pm PST

Well, hold on a second, Grant...

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Hey, I appreciate your comments. 

  

I'd like to know a little more about your scheduling, routines, etc... 

My interaction with Dr. Phil is under the scope of "Wife styles"; at least it is in my mind. 

Things like parenting and family goals and things are not directly tied to that. I haven't spoken to anyone on the staff about those things, nor have they approached me about them. I know they are important. Diana from Sanemommy had some really good suggestions about teaching the kids to help with laundry, just as an example, and attacking a project myself when Kelly was away for the day. I agree with your thinking about the kids' schedule falling into place around yours - not the other way. Trying to do it the other way would be like me scheduling my tasks for work around pushing "Play" for Baby Einstein. In all sincerity, Thanks. There are a number of people that I pay particular attention to on this board because they post good information. 

Actually things like parenting and family goals ARE directly tied to scheduling, routines, etc.  Steven Covey, the 7 Habits guy, would liken it to beginning with the end in mind.  How can you schedule anything if you don't know it's priority and place in your family goals?  A routine that doesn't have an end result of taking you towards your family goals is useless.  I think that's where you are missing the boat - you're focusing on the short and medium term details instead of your long-term family goals.  There's no one-size-fits-all or best way to run a home, because your home has (or should have) goals specific to your family's vision and beliefs.  What I believe was best for my kids and grandkids may not be what you think is best for your kids.  But you and Kelly have to agree on what is best for your kids so you're going in the same direction.  If Kelly wants to take the scenic route and you want to take the express route to your goals, is it really worth fighting about as long as you get to your destination on time?  Don't sweat the small stuff. 
 
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February 26, 2006, 4:58 pm PST

Priorities

Please don't let my user name throw you...  I was extremely disorganized for YEARS so, my screen name is pure sarcasum.

After reading so much of the board, I see love toward each other from both of you.  You have 3 children who are also a definate priority here.

I also must say I worked for two engineers for a few years before becoming a full time at home mom.  Engineers think differently than others (no offense, just my observervation).

Having said that,  please know that I spent most of my life extremly disorganized at home with two children 5 years apart.

Comprise is always necessary on both parts, and I would definately recommend that Kelly read Julie Morganstern's Organizing From The Inside Out.  This book taught me how to organize.  I got married at 21, and didn't have a clue how to run a household.  I wish this book had been written years ago.  Start small.  Nothing feels better than having free time when you become more organized.

Grant, you have a very sweet wife, and loving mother.  Don't distroy this family by having unrealistic
expectations.  Chill out, and instead help your wife.  You will be  a better partner by cooperating with her and helping her out..  Lastly, put back the ring.  It's cruel to feel like your punishing your wife.
You are an adult with children whose job is to set an example.  Best of luck to both of you!
 
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February 26, 2006, 5:00 pm PST

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i really like both kelly and grant. they are sincere and honest people from what i can see on t.v. my thought was concerning his desire to get the "it". i thought if he could imagine being in a clean home, with a fabulous meal, the furniture in the "right" place, decorated just as he wished...but with no kelly, no children...would you feel the "it"then? would grant ache? would grant feel what was most important? love the people in your life for who they are today and who they become tomorrow...they are worthy.
 
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February 26, 2006, 5:15 pm PST

Grant and Kelly

It is very possible..it seems to me that grant has some DEFINITE OCD issues too!!! Why didnt dr. phil point that out too?
 
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February 26, 2006, 5:20 pm PST

Broken Window's

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Hey, Grant, have you considered that maybe the "Broken Windows" don't literally mean parts of the house, but the people within it? Your wife is a neglected, broken window. Your children will be affected by her brokenness much more then they will be affected by clutter or messy cabinets. I understand engineers work with "real" things and that it's sometimes difficult to think abstractly, but I really think you need to consider the abstract meaning of the "Broken Windows Theory" instead of just the obvious reality based literal meaning. Your homes windows aren't broken. Your cabinets aren't broken. Your dishwasher isn't broken. Your wife is becoming the broken window, Grant, and she can't mend with you criticizing her the way you do. So either help her to mend constructively or get the heck out so that she can work on herself and find someone who will help her to mend.

Maria
AMEN AND AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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February 26, 2006, 5:21 pm PST

yet another opinion

I am really late in joining this discussion, but I have watched both shows and have read most of the message boards. I find myself dwelling on this topic, so I'm going to get this off my chest in hopes that I can end my fascination (obsession?) with the Grant/Kelly saga. 

  

Many people likened a stay at home Mom to a job where you would have  an employer and would be expected to meet a set of requirements and would be evaluated on your performance. Although I understand the rationale behind that argument, I'm not sure that it is a fair, or healthy, analogy. Here's my best explanation why..... 

  

I earned my Masters degree and was promoted to be an Assistant Principal at a school at a fairly young age. It was a different school than where I had been a teacher, and when I started, some of the single female tried to strike up friendships with me. They were terrific ladies, with whom under different circumstances, I would have enjoyed a social/personal relationship. But the bottom line was, I was their boss. I would have to evaluate their professional performances and sometimes have to make unpopular decisions. I could be friendly, but not truly friends. 

  

If you create a situation where one spouse is seen as the boss, evaluator, judge...however you want to phrase it, I think you miss out on the best part of marriage! It is amazing to have that one person who is your confidante, your support system, the person you feel the most comfortable sharing your dreams, fears, successes and failures. 

  

That is not to say you have to accept everything as is. You should have a vision for your life, your home, your future. But it needs to be a shared vision. Grant, the biggest thing wrong with your lists, is that they are YOURS (that, and the hip hop dancing!!:). Kelly, spend some quality time figuring out what you want and need from your life and marriage and be ready to articulate those needs. What if you both created the vision together. Decide how you want your marriage and family to work and how to best achieve that goal. What is a fair division of labor for your circumstances, and what plays best to your individual and mutual strengths? Have equal input and be sure to include lots of patience and flexibility. If you need an impartial third party to moderate so you don't fall back into old roles, get one. 

  

I know you have received so much well-intentioned (mostly) advice from so many Dr. Phil watchers, so here's mine..... Take the advice that works for both of you and throw the rest away. If you want a cleaning lady, get one. If you want to spend every Sunday night scrubbing floors with your toothbrushes GO FOR IT. Create your vision for your family. Oh, and be ready to renegotiate every once and a while...circumstances change and things don't always work out the way we expect. 

  

For the sake of credibility, I am a stay at home Mom of two toddlers. I tried not to include how things work in my home because I think it is irrelevant. I really want to avoid the THIS IS WHAT WORKS AND MAKES SENSE TO ME, THEREFORE EVERYONE ELSE MUST AGREE mentality. 

  

Please forgive the wordiness (if anyone is still reading). Hopefully, I can sleep tonight without having the mental arguments running through my head. 

  

Good luck, Grant and Kelly. For all of the heated debate you have generated, I think everyone would applaud if you ended up being Dr. Phil's biggest success! 

  

Julie 

 
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February 26, 2006, 5:25 pm PST

LOVED THIS MESSAGE!

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I have been married for 32 years.  I have two boys, 19 and 15.  I have worked full time since I was 16 years old (now 50).  I must say, that Grant would have LOVED me in my earlier years. Before I left for work each morning, I would go through the house and completely straighten it, making the beds, wiping the bathroom and kitchen counters, even wiping off the spigots in the kitchen and bathrooms.  I came home from work each night and cooked a big meal, cleaned the kitchen and washed,dried and folded clothes.  It was usually about 10:00 p.m. before I was through.   

  

 After working all week, I would spend my Saturdays, regardless of what else was going on in the world, cleaning from top to bottom.  Even after I had children....Saturday was my big cleaning day.  Also, twice a year, I did my "deep cleaning," which included cleaning the insides of every closet and cabinet, washing the items inside and returning them to their proper place.. cleaning the corners of each room with a damp rag wrapped around a butter knife, cleaning baseboards, doors, door facings and window facings, washing down walls and ceilings, taking down blinds and curtains and washing them, cleaning light fixtures and ceiling fans, and anything else you could possibly imagine.  I would hire a house keeper from time to time, but they never did it right and I would still spend my time cleaning up after them! 

  

Sunday was my ironing day.  I would pull out all of the clothes that had been worn and washed from that week and starch and iron each and every item, including my children's play clothes. 

  

As my children grew older, they started to complain.  Why can't we go to the zoo, park, fair (insert activity)? My husband would complain that I never had time to spend with him.   I would explain to them just how lucky they were that I kept a spotless home and ironed every piece of clothing they wore.  Oh, they were so fortunate, I thought.   

  

Then one day I realized, this was not what was most important to my children.  What they wanted was a Mom with whom they could spend time.  A Mom who was not always exhausted, irritated and frustrated.  A Mom who was not always huffing and puffing around the house, picking up behind them or bitching at them to do so.  A Mom who was not depressed or anxious, a Mom who took care of herself, so she could take care of them. 

  

Another miraculous thing happened.  I aged.  Although I take much pride in not looking my age, boy I sure feel every year of it.  When I hit 40, my body began to slow down, probably hastened by the years of endless work.  I began to realize that no one, least of all my family, cared if the house was spotless and everything was in its place.  I began to believe the old saying that when asked on their deathbed what was most regrettable about their life, no one has ever said, "I wish I would have worked more."  This changed my life.  I hired a house keeper and  stopped cleaning behind her.  I let my children wear "wash and wear" clothes, without always ironing them. (I still do iron those that looked wrinkled).  

  

Low and behold, I became a happier person, who in turn became a happier Mom with happier children.  My kid are great kids who have never been involved in the things we all fear, drugs, crime, teen pregnancy, etc., although I know there is still time.  I refuse to allow these bad things to happen though because now, I have the time to be vigilant as to what my children are doing and with whom.  I am not frustrated and tired all the time, so I can have fun with my kids and believe it or not, they still enjoy being with me.   

  

Believe me, all of you, a spotless home is not the most important thing in the world.  What is, is your children.  They grow up so fast and the lost time cannot be retrieved.  Grant, if you think your kids truly care about a spotless home, think again.  What they do care about is the tension between you and your wife.  What they do care about is seeing that both their Mother and Father are happy, not only separately, but together.  What they do care about  is a little freedom to run and play, not always worrying that they will mess up something.  Do not think for one minute that they don't hear every cross word between you and your wife or sense your resentment for each other?  I promise you they do, because kids miss nothing, good, bad or indifferent.  When they don' t feel feel love and happiness, they are consumed with fear for their future.  They are consumed with the fear that  Mom or Dad will leave the other and then leave them.   

  

I understand OCD, because I have it, as do all of my siblings.  Do you know why we all have it?  Because our mother had classic OCD when we were growing up.  Who do you think taught me how to clean, wash and iron? 

  

I will end by saying this.  I got married at 18 and decided I was going to be the PERFECT WIFE.  After having my first child, I decided I was going to be the PERFECT MOTHER.  Oh and I was, if I was judged by my cleanliness.  However, I can assure you, that is not the standard by which one should be judged.  It is what is in your heart and how you love those around you that one should be judged. 

  

If you truly love your wife, put your ring back on.  You say you aren't sure why you took off your ring?  Well I am. You did it to punish your wife for not being PERFECT and living up to your expectations.  Well, I am sure you do not live up to her expectations either, as I am sure she expected a kind and loving husband who built her up, not knocked her down.  Brag on her to her, as well as to others.  You will be surprised how happy you and your family will become.  As the saying goes, "When Mom ain't happy, ain't nobody happy, and when Mom ain't happy long enough, you ain't happy with half your stuff."  

Perfectly stated.   

 
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February 26, 2006, 5:47 pm PST

One more suggestion for Grant

I guess maybe I assumed you've read the Stephen Covey book "The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People, Powerful Lessons in Personal Change" because it's kind of an industry standard in business.  You are putting forth a lot of energy, but you acknowledge you're problem is that your not very effective.  I recommend this book to all of the young people I mentor. 

  

My suggestion for Kelly, which she has now tried and seems to be finding valuable, would be flylady.net.  I highly recommend Flylady. 

  

  

 

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