Topic : 02/21 More Wifestyles

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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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March 1, 2006, 6:39 am PST

MORE WIFE STYLES ....

 I watched both parts of this particular show, and although I don't agree from where he is coming from, I do believe that he is and wants to try to change how he feels.  

Being a working mother, I personally wish that I could have the luxuary of being a stay-at-home-mom. My husband and I have a 3yr.old, and when I did stay at home, the first year of our childs life, I LOVED it, I made sure that the house was clean, kids ate, kids played, kids learned, and that my husband was happy about the choice we had made for me to stay home. Now that I'm working, i find it extremley hard to balance it all, I HATE the fact that I do have to go to work everyday. I think that many stay at home moms, don't realize what a luxuary they have to be that SAHM. I do feel that it is a womens job to run the household and kids when you decide to be a SAHM, that doesn't mean that you can't ask for help, but it means just the same as if you were leaving your house to go to work, it's WORK and yea, I'm tired at my 8hr a day job, but I still have to complete task and I have to be efficient. I do believe that there is a diffrence in wifes who stay at home, and wife who work full-time, and the husbands should have diffrent expectations for the wife that is a SAHM, and a Working outside home Mom.  I say embrace what ever family situation you have and embrace others chioce s as well.  

 
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March 1, 2006, 6:46 am PST

get real

Kelly needs to stand up for herself.She needs to stop thinking about how to be a better wife to a man that obviously doesn't appreciate her.She needs to think about the message this will send to her children when they get older and see this.She needs to sit down and talk to Grant and try to make him understand that she is his life partner and if he felt like he made the wrong decision then he needs to take steps to resolve the conflict within himself.
 
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March 1, 2006, 7:08 am PST

EXCELLENT!!!

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It's taken me awhile to write about this episode, which has really stayed with me.  (By the way, I do the Flylady cleaning system and I highly recommend it.) Here: being a good enough wife is not the problem. 

  

The problem is that Kelly is allowing Grant to define her life.  

  

She probably feels a little trapped because of the children. And because she's at home and he's bringing in the paycheck. But she's losing track - she gets to define what her role is in her own life. She's abdicated that role. Also, nothing she does will make Grant happy unless she's doing what makes her happy first. 

  

I am an at-home mom (now unexpectedly widowed) with a solid group of at-home mom friends. These women worked before the children came along, all are well-educated, and all felt a little lost when they decided to take on the important job of being there for their children. And many of these husbands act like they own the marriage. They feel they are in charge of how the house should look (and these houses are like Kelly's: nice and generally neat), how the housework should be done, etc. And the women get trapped into allowing it because they are so out of their element - they no longer have the power of their own jobs, the routine of their own jobs. Children throw you totally out of any routine you ever thought you might have had. 

  

My own husband did this to me (and admittedly, I am a slob). Yes, I wanted to solve the problem of my own disorganization, but he had a way of twisting the knife. If I had worked hard on the house, he would say - what about that area over there (pointing to clutter I hadn't yet gotten to). It was the only thing we argued about, and I felt lost about how to make him happy. 

  

Finally it struck me: I'm LETTING HIM be in control of me. I had to take control. The way I did that was to admit, sadly, that I couldn't count on him to support me in my quest for an organized house.  That was a major and emotionally hard step. I felt like a traitor to him, but I couldn't stand his criticism any more and if it meant distancing myself from him, well, I had to take this journey on my own.  

  

I stopped looking for any comment from him. I stopped talking to him about my day to day activities (separate from the children - we still talked about them and had plenty to enjoy from them). I established my own routine and did it the best I could (a phrase Grant hates by the way, Kelly should call him on that). I also told him that he needed to do more of those small jobs around the house that take me ages: replacing light fixtures, installing the new door, etc. I mean, he had the skills to do those jobs quickly.  It ended up being a "honey-do" list. He seemed glad to have it - he seemed surprised that there were tasks I expected him to do. I had never had the nerve to tell him was all. 

  

One day - about a month later, I got a giant hug from him. He said the house looked better, he said he knew he hadn't been very nice to me about it, he said he was sorry and he knew I was trying. When I took charge I actually strengthened my marriage! I was so pleased. 

  

I thought about all this because I saw the clip of Kelly showing Grant the new curtains. He criticized her! My husband did that with any of my small efforts to do what I thought he wanted. They were never good enough. Once I started defining what would be good enough, he was much happier. 

  

So I urge Kelly: take control! You are in charge! If he's truly unhappy, well, you don't own that. You have to make sure you are doing the things that make you happy in this marriage. He'll respond to a more confident you, that's for sure. I mean, did he fall in love with a woman who was not self-confident? No! Get back that sense of confidence - I know it's hard in the face of his criticism, but do it and things will improve. 

Very well said, and completely on-track.  I learned a long time ago that I had to follow MY vision!  I think that's what Kelly needs to do as well.  Grant controls his own happiness, and Kelly can TAKE control of hers!
 
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March 1, 2006, 7:29 am PST

Kelly

Watching and listening to Grant explain himself made me want to stuff a sock in his mouth!  It seems to be all about him and what he wants no matter who he hurts.  I can well imagine 30 years from now after he's beaten you down emotionally to where you can't function unless he dictates what he wants you to do. As for your children they're probably emotionally scarred and in bad relationships.  It wasn't mentioned but I wonder if your not having physical problems:  i.e. stomach upset, headaches or anxiety attacks. 

Life is too short  to live daily with criticism, it wears you down mentally & physically  until you having nothing more to give.   

Please continue in counseling for yourself and your kids, you'll have to be strong for them when Grant turns on them too. 

I don't see Grant having a wake up call and that is very sad. 

Your a beautiful woman that any other man would be proud to say "This is my beautiful wife and the mother of my children."  I am so blessed to have her in my life - that's what Grant should be saying. 

 
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March 1, 2006, 7:50 am PST

OBXSISTER

I have asked you so many times.....!!  Are you married with children? 

  

You have so much to say about this subject and the people on here....just wondering...kids?  Married?  SAHM?  Working?  Husband?  What's your story? 

  

Diana 

 
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March 1, 2006, 8:30 am PST

and I've told all that before

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I have asked you so many times.....!!  Are you married with children? 

  

You have so much to say about this subject and the people on here....just wondering...kids?  Married?  SAHM?  Working?  Husband?  What's your story? 

  

Diana 

I'm not ignoring you.  I've just gone into GREAT DETAIL giving all that information already.  I don't want to bore everybody by repeating myself again and again.
 
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March 1, 2006, 8:32 am PST

OCPD

I did not get the opportunity to watch the first show, and wonder if Dr Phil ever mentioned OCPD (obsessive compulsive personality disorder, not to be confused with OCD) as an explaination of Grants behavior?  I am Kelly, but after 24 years of living with this type of behavior.  I too chose spending those precious moments with my children instead of having the perfect house (to me, that was why I was an at home mom to 3 boys in the first place).  My situation is that the disorder progressed to my husband being as picky with the boys as he had been with me. He distanced himself from friends, and started drinking heavily (supposedly to deal with the chaos that is our all male household).  The disorder can tend to get worse when the children become teenagers and may challenge the logic of having to do things in a certain way (heaven help us if the lawn is not mowed in a certain pattern!).  Grant, I have to commend you for putting yourself out there, even though I know it was not your original intent (very typical OCPD response to think that she was the one who needed "fixing"), most OCPD sufferers make statements like my husband, "so what if I like a clean house" not realizing it is much more than that.  I could understand your comment on the white knuckle feeling, since my husband does the same thing, and then he blows up.  Unfortunately, I am in the process of separating from my husband, since he has decided that now that the boys are teenagers, I am a "sponge" and since he works outside the home, it is HIS house.  Please get help while you can, and Kelly don't let him beat you down.  Unless you are living with it, you have no idea how completely debilitating it can become. Best of luck to both of you!
 
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March 1, 2006, 9:17 am PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

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I'm not ignoring you.  I've just gone into GREAT DETAIL giving all that information already.  I don't want to bore everybody by repeating myself again and again.

I'll have to look for the post.  I thought it was a pretty cut and dry question myself! 

 
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March 1, 2006, 9:19 am PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

Here is a question, if Grant stayed at home and Kelly went to work would he be willing to do everything to make the home the way he wants it to be?(ALL 75 THINGS THAT HE EXPECTS THE WIFE TO DO!)   Also how many hours does Grant work?  If he works an 8 hour day and Kelly works at home, then Grant comes home from work, why does he get to be off work and she has to continue?  I am a stay at home mom and I feel like I work from the moment I wake up until I go to bed.   I think if he wants things to be a certain way, and from the last show she sort of does too, (who doesn't want a clean home and to prepare better meals) they should help each other out, 50/50.  Look at your list of things you expect from your wife, what can YOU help out with.  No one can do all of the things that Grant expects, if they seperated he would realize how good he had it and would never find ANYONE that would be able to do the things he wants.  I think it would be a good wake up call and Kelly would realize how much better she could do with someone who appreciates her.
 
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March 1, 2006, 9:34 am PST

Guess what???

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Wow.  How about that.  I've had two kids in diapers at the same time, too.  And I never had to go on laundry strike because my husband was happy to help me around the house!
Everything here is not ABOUT YOU!!!!
 

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