Topic : 02/27 Twisted Love: The Aftermath

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Dr. Phil follows up with one of this year's most talked about couples: Charles and Tracy. Charles had been juggling his time between his wife and mistress. He wanted to have them both, so he came up with the perfect solution: polyfidelity, a relationship in which he is shared by the two women. Tracy says she can't express her anger over the affair because she doesn't know how. Will she fight for her rights for the first time in 20 years of marriage? Charles claims he said goodbye to the other woman, but why did it take four meetings? Is it "goodbye forever" or just "goodbye for now"? Plus, their oldest son speaks out about his father's behavior, and Tracy has a message for the other woman. Talk about the show here.

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February 27, 2006, 3:50 pm PST

twisted love

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For heaven's sake. So what, obviously he had that inside of him when she married him. An indiscretion is absolutely no reason to leave the husband. It's sexual, he still wants to stay and work on it. Marriage is sacred and if you can work through that issue then more the power. Forgiveness is essential. I'm tired of that boring old story. My ex had about 6 women, unknown to me. It nearly destroyed me, I supported him. But I left and worked on my issues. Have been alone since and don't love it. Knowing men the way I do, I don't doubt he'll do it again. But maybe not. For all those women that interfere with another's marriage, they should just stay the hell out. It's a crummy thing to do. The fellow should see a sexual profesional where there is no emotional fall out.
hi there i saw your charles on your show i feel that he got chat what make him think that his wife would let the lady he been seeing come an stay with him an his wife he dont have any respcet for her at all.he is wrong an he going to do it again see if you can do it the first time an get away with it why not .as for her get a back bone ok you got one now you are good all i can sayi will pray for you
 
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February 27, 2006, 3:50 pm PST

Tracy, why? LEAVE HIM NOW!

Wow. I can say that today's show seemed to cause quite an uproar on this message board about this. I do also have to say, Tracy, you need to leave him. As long as you're continuing putting up with this, he'll continue to do it. May I ask, why? Why do you continue to put up with it? Is it because that you'll never get another man like him if you leave him now? Is it because of your low self esteem? That you can't learn to stand up for yourself to him? You're smarter than this. You deserve a whole lot better. He'll never change, period. I know that I'll never be like him, because I'm a good person, a good man.
 
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February 27, 2006, 3:50 pm PST

It's not about the twisted love . . .

Tracy, regardless of your issues - the day my husband told my teenage son all about his affair and asked his opinion would be the day the locks were changed.  You have three even younger???  THIS IS THE MOST DISTURBING TIDBIT to be told on this show!  If you want to spend the next few years trying to understand how your stud could do such a thing - then maybe somebody needs to remind you that beyond yourself are  . . . . THE CHILDRENWhat about the children?  Somebody in this family sure needs to start thinking about them.  Chuck seems more intent to play and make himself feel good.  Maybe string you along for a few months of therapy and a guest spot on the Dr. Phil show.  Looking all good.  (shhhh - if he really wanted no more contact he would not respond to her text messages to tell her this?) 

  

Sometimes life is messy and we are forced to choose the least ugly solution from a bad situation.  If you keep your need to understand more a priority than being a good mother you are risking losing your children.  At this point your actions need to be to protect them.  I suspect Chuck is a write off in that department. 

  

You haven't been angry?  Where in the heck is the anger over what it is doing to the kids?  What he did to Chas?  I would be furious over that!  It is SICK.  You say you take it out on others?  Why is it I cringe suspecting that your children could be "the others?"  I am sorry for you in all honesty - but it seems about time you got a bit of anger. 

 
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February 27, 2006, 3:50 pm PST

02/27 Twisted Love: The Aftermath

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 you most certainly will NOT be the ONLY " other woman" if hes seeing YOU i can bet hes had  or wil have another... i  would never ever be the other woman..I KNOW WHATS ITS LIKE to have that done to me

its hurtful..especially when the man u are MARRIED to says HE STILL LOVES YOU..then you find out..after he said that to  you..he was seeing another.. :(


Just so you know I'm not the other woman, and I am the wife in the situation.  So maybe I'm a little hostile ; )
 
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February 27, 2006, 3:51 pm PST

twisted love

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For heaven's sake. So what, obviously he had that inside of him when she married him. An indiscretion is absolutely no reason to leave the husband. It's sexual, he still wants to stay and work on it. Marriage is sacred and if you can work through that issue then more the power. Forgiveness is essential. I'm tired of that boring old story. My ex had about 6 women, unknown to me. It nearly destroyed me, I supported him. But I left and worked on my issues. Have been alone since and don't love it. Knowing men the way I do, I don't doubt he'll do it again. But maybe not. For all those women that interfere with another's marriage, they should just stay the hell out. It's a crummy thing to do. The fellow should see a sexual profesional where there is no emotional fall out.
hi there i saw your charles on your show i feel that he got chat what make him think that his wife would let the lady he been seeing come an stay with him an his wife he dont have any respcet for her at all.he is wrong an he going to do it again see if you can do it the first time an get away with it why not .as for her get a back bone ok you got one now you are good all i can sayi will pray for you
 
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February 27, 2006, 3:52 pm PST

Alpha Jerk

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Charles is such an insecure, narcisscistic, selfish, arrogant jerk that is very difficult to believe that he has the capacity to really change. Charles, a REAL MAN would NEVER treat his wife and family the way you have have (and continue to do) done. Alpha male? Pullease. That is nothing but your own rationalization for the complete and utter failure you are at life and love. Get over yourself and get honest. Any man who would torture his wife with the details of his selfish, sordid affair has a serious need for validation. Continue to see your psychotherapist (good luck there, psychotherapist) and learn to validate yourself  through decent, caring, compassionate, honest words and behavior. If I were your wife and you continued with your endless words and bs, I'd kick you to the curb and show my children what a Real Woman is made of.  

Right now, your wife continues to make excuses for your stuff...I understand that she is confused and hurting, but I hope that she finally does get  a backbone and  walk away. Her children deserve to know that she values herself and her life enough to do so.  

Other woman: where is your self-respect? You are hanging on to a lose-lose situation. You are 'in love' with a serious piece of trouble. And, you are hurting some innocent children with your insistance on hanging on. They deserve to have both their mother and father in a loving, committed, honorable marriage. If you're as beautiful as Charles says, and even if you're not, there are many, many more desirable men out there for you. Get some help and get out of this mess. 

I have to admit - that is the funniest title and so appropriate!
 
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February 27, 2006, 3:52 pm PST

Life lesson

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I understand everyone thoughts about this guy being a jerk and that yes cheating is wrong. But I have learned to NEVER judge anyone till you have walked a mile in their shoes. I'm sure I'm going to get beaten up for my story....that's ok. I can take it. I myself was involved with a married man and still am in a way. I know it's wrong, but feeling aren't right or wrong they just are!! Maybe if woman kept their husbands happy at home they wouldn't go looking else where! Just my thought, but true if you think about it. Not trying to justify what I'm doing. But alot of people make it out that the mistress is always the bad one.....it takes 2!!! And in my story I was not chasing him, he chased me. We started out as friends and then it became more. He would call me about 10 times a day, go to great length to spend time with me, treated me very well and I never felt like the "other woman".  His wife is not a very nice person and beats him down daily (what kind of woman does that, if she is the victim in this????). We did get caught but we still talk and we still see each other.  

  

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the mistress or the "other woman" is not solely to blame.  And I'm sick of everyone thinking and saying that.  I know there are men out there that are just jerks and treat their wives like crap and just cheat for the trill. But there are times where it is not like that and that maybe they just married the wrong person. Maybe you women who have been cheated on should take a look in the mirror.....it's not all the "other woman" fault and it's not all his fault, You must take some of the blame for it happening. 

Well, like u said, u knew u would get beaten up for your message, so let me say this as nicely as possible.  You allow yourself to be used, cause if his wife was soooo awful, he would leave her.  Its always some excuse and we women always fall for it cause they say the right things and make you feel good.  Take a step back and look at the big picture though, she is soooo awful, do you know her, or is this what he has told you?  If he is so  beaten down, why not leave?  Cause he has it good!!!  He has you to give it to him when he wants and he has his wife as well.  Why leave when you allow him to have the best of both worlds?  His wife has reason to fight and stay.... she is his wife, what are you?  Yes, you are to blame, cause you keep letting him use you and hurt himself and his family as well and if you really cared so much, you would let him know that what you are doing is wrong.  But, you want him and so you deal.  With you, he has no worries about bills or daily life problems of a married couple, just go and complain to you how bad his life is and get some and tell you how he wishes he could be with you.  Well, he can, if he really wanted to, but he obviously wants his wife.  Children, are not a reason, just an excuse, money, just another excuse and you accept it, so why not?  I could go on, but it won't matter cause you will just justify it with another reason or excuse.  Walk a mile in his wifes shoes and then maybe you will know what it feels like to be her, until then, take a look in the mirror and tell yourself that you are so much better than having half a relationship.  He won't let you go, why should he?  Remember , he doesn't know what it would be like to be with you as a couple and neither do you, the grass isn't always greener, it just seems that way sometimes until you have a real relationship, you will never know.  Take care and I do hope you learn something from this!!
 
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February 27, 2006, 3:53 pm PST

This is sad

There are two problems in this marriage. The first is that it is extremely unballenced.  Compare the love and commitment she has to him, and the love and commitment he has to her.  He is obviously bored and unhappy in his relationship (because he looked elsewhere for physical and emotional love), but he is attempting to keep his relationship intact anyway, which results in emotional torture for his wife and kids.  In my opinion, he is clueless...he wants something more, but he doesn't know what.   

The second problem is that she has built her sence of identity around him...she doesn't seem to see being alone as an option, really.  She gets her sence of worth from pleaseing him...she is trying so hard that it is killing the romantic spark of their relationship...he probably sees her as one-dimentional, and boreing because she has not developed any depth of charactor...he wants a challenge, something unknown, new.  She is constantly supporting him, useing his words, takeing on his ideas...she doesn't want to be the strong one.  She is takeing the easy way out...it is difficult to leave someone you love, even if it is for self-preservation.  It is easier to stay in the relationship that is hurting you, and to continue being the same kind of miserable instead of going out into the world and seeing what else it has to offer you.     

 
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February 27, 2006, 3:54 pm PST

02/27 Twisted Love: The Aftermath

Quote From: denicemp

In hopes that Tracy is reading these posts I realize it is hard to swallow varying opinions but I realized in my life and in my experiences that the people who have been there offered the best advice and it was the advice I was least likely to take.  As it turned out I learned my lessons the hard way, but I learned them! No one deserves the hurt you have experienced with your husband - he did that to you all on his own - willingly!  

My best advice coming from true, hard experince is to move on! Think about yourself and your own happiness that will come from it and no matter how much time you have already spent with him,  does not mean you have to stay with him and before you know it - you will have forgotten what he looks like! 

As a woman I'd also like to add Charles isn't a real good lookin man.  He want's to talk about his beautiful misstress...The wife he has is a whole lot more attractive and youthful lookin than his wrinkeled butt
 
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February 27, 2006, 3:54 pm PST

Bobble Head

Did you notice that Charles continuously bobs his head up and down to agree with what Dr. Phil is saying?  Like he's thinking "yes, I know that's correct".  He bobbed his head all during the show and it drove me nuts. 

Anyway......Tracy has no self-esteem.  Charles is Arrogance Man.  Note that Charles said of the Other Woman "She's seeing someone else for now."  FOR NOW????  And when that relationship ends, she'll come to Charles.  And it will start all over again. 

If Tracy doesn't dump this guy, she deserves what she gets. 

The son is the smart one in the family. 

 

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