Topic : 06/12 On the Outs With In-Laws

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(Original Air Date: 02/28/06) Manipulative, violent and diabolical. These are just some of the words Anna-Laura uses to describe her mother-in-law, Janice, who she says is destroying her marriage. Anna-Laura says Janice hates her so much, she’s taken a swing at her and even threatened to hire someone to kill her. Janice denies the accusations and says they’re all lies. Where does Morgan, Anna-Laura’s husband, stand on the issue? After not speaking for almost a year, Anna-Laura and Morgan face off with Janice in front of Dr. Phil. With their relationship on the rocks, can Anna-Laura and Morgan find a way to end this war with his mother and save their marriage? If your extended family is spiraling out of control, find out how to get your relationship to take a turn in the other direction. Join the discussion.

 

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February 28, 2006, 9:36 am PST

Not married yet and already problems...

My boyfriend and I aren't even married yet and already we have problems with the "MIL", my mother. Since I moved out of her house to live with my boyfriend in Vegas she has started to show her  nasty side. Threatning his career, he is in the military, calling him the nastiest names I have ever heard, saying things to his family back home about him, trying to put things in my head about him when she doesn't even know him. I want to have a  relationship with my mom and have her in our lives because we are going to get married but I don't want all of the negativity and I know it is going to be there for a very long time. I have 2 sisters and a brother, older sis and younger sis and brother. My mom threatens me and says that when I do come home i won't be able to have anything to do with them....nice huh?? Right now I don't know what to do, I'm lost. I don't want her to ruin what I have right now. I want her to beinvolved but I don't know how to fix all of this! Any suggestions would be much appreciated! 

 
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February 28, 2006, 9:36 am PST

On the OUTS WITH IN-LAWS

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I watched the show today and was disgusted by each of the women on the show. Both of these women were defensive, manipulative, and not listening to reason. My grandmother was like this mother in law to my mother. As the grandchildren got older we certainly learned to recognize this intolerable behavior and grew conflicted by it. It didnt help that my mother commented to us about the inappropriate behavior and never chose to leave it behind her. Don't get me wrong - she definitely was the bigger person but she could have showed us a better way to deal with my grandmother. As I got older, I chose to not engage my grandmother's comments. She still says hurtful things but I dont let those comments dominate my thinking. I still have a relationship with her and I can love her for who she is. She is still my family no matter what. And I set the example by dealing with her in a responsible manner, which sometimes means giving myself space from her. Figuring this out took time and common sense, which is needed here. I havent met too many wonderful Mother in laws. Some are better than others certainly, but in the end you dont have to let anyone rule your life except yourself. These people have to choose to disengage despite the hurt. They need to just shut up and stop the blame. Each of those women are just trying to be right and I can understand when you have been continually hurt over a long time that you become defensive. But this angry back and forth gets no where and just wastes time. They will never change the other personality. Each needs to set boundaries, respect them like adults, put the children first and MOVE ON! If one side doesnt- so what- still stay the course. In order to heal they need to do what ever it takes to choose to be happy which may mean sacrificing pride, shutting up, moving away, completely cutting each other off (and disregarding any comments made around town because who really cares what people say. Its not their business so grow up!), or whatever. I felt like these people should have been on Springer instead of Dr Phil. Everybody needs to take responsibility for their actions here and move on. I was embarassed for them.

navygirl99, it's too bad there are not more people in the world like you!  You are a very wise lady, and I admire the way you have learned to just let some silly or nasty comments made by your family pass.  In the old days, we did this and folks got along much better with one another.  Nowadays, it seems to be a contest to see who can be the most right, instead of trying to get along.  I'm so happy for you that you found a way to deal with Mom and Grandma and still have a relationship you enjoy!  It's sad that everyone else cannot do the same.  Putting up walls and severing family ties may make some things better, but it keeps them from feeling the love they should be feeling from others.  You go, girl.  :-) 

  

 
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February 28, 2006, 9:38 am PST

02/28 On the Outs With In-Laws

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No, you don't break family ties completely lady.  That will come back and bite you in the hinder some day.  You may be controlling your hubby and kids now and be all happy, but some day your husband will want to see his mother again.  You go to counseling and you try to work it out with your mother-in-law.  Friends can say they don't want to see each other, but you are FAMILY.  That is the difference.  What will you say when your kids eventually meet their grandmother and get mad at you for keeping her from them all these years.  Your life will not be happier than ever long.  Mark my words!  I'm an old lady who has seen this many times. 

  

The fact that your husband has been "outcast by other family members" speaks volumes in this.  Could you just maybe be feeling a little threated by the love his mom has for him?  Maybe you just had a rocky start and need to work through it with a counselor.  You don't see any need right now, because YOU feel happy.  What about your family?  You owe it to them to try.  I hope you do. 

I don't think it's fair to imply that her family is not happy with the situation the way it is, or that she is controling.  We don't know how hard they have tried to mend fences with her MIL or that her husband even wants to have a relationship with her.     

  

As far as the grandchildren go, I can say from personal experience that my parents' marriage and my childhood would have been better had my mother kept her mother from us.  She was a terribly mean woman, who contributed nothing but drama, chaos, and hatred to our lives.  My father was always cordial to her, but her hatred for him was palpable.  I have never felt anything but contempt for her.      

 
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February 28, 2006, 9:46 am PST

What?

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No, you don't break family ties completely lady.  That will come back and bite you in the hinder some day.  You may be controlling your hubby and kids now and be all happy, but some day your husband will want to see his mother again.  You go to counseling and you try to work it out with your mother-in-law.  Friends can say they don't want to see each other, but you are FAMILY.  That is the difference.  What will you say when your kids eventually meet their grandmother and get mad at you for keeping her from them all these years.  Your life will not be happier than ever long.  Mark my words!  I'm an old lady who has seen this many times. 

  

The fact that your husband has been "outcast by other family members" speaks volumes in this.  Could you just maybe be feeling a little threated by the love his mom has for him?  Maybe you just had a rocky start and need to work through it with a counselor.  You don't see any need right now, because YOU feel happy.  What about your family?  You owe it to them to try.  I hope you do. 

I don't see how she's controlling them. What would happen if you've been in a relationship, and your mother-in-law(your husband's mother) is coming between you & your husband, messing everything up? What would you or your husband do? Let everything slide? I think not. If that's what it takes to break all ties with your relatives in order to keep your relationship strong, so be it. He's a grown man & can make his own decisions. Many men will stand up to their mothers because they're controlling their marriages. I'm a Man myself, and I know what it's like. I think that you're in denial here.
 
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February 28, 2006, 9:57 am PST

Just doesn't work that way

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The mother in law on the show came off as this sweet little old lady,and I am sure this is why the cops in her town let her get away with stalking these poor people! Everytime the daughter inlaw got upset,the motherinlaw had this evil grin,like the cat who disemboweled the canary. This woman(the motherinlaw) doesnt give 2 dimes about her grandchildren,except to control and manipulate them just like she did her son. She has a severe case of Bordeline Personality Disorder,and I am shocked Dr. Phil didnt give these people the advice he should have,and that's "NO CONTACT NO CONTACT NO CONTACT!!" Keep your kids as far away from this woman as possible!! It's also unrealistic for Dr Phill to suggest they move their whole family,including her disabled mother,away from her. WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IS START RECORDING each and every encounter with this evil woman,and MAKING the police do their jobs!! If she drives down your street,tape it. If she calls, tape it!! Bring your camcorder/tape recorder everywhere-make it your new best friend!! 

There's only one way to stop people like her-and that's with firm boundaries,and NO CONTACT!! 

I wish these people well on healing their marriage-but I can gaurtantee you the mother inlaw's antics will never,ever stop. 

  

 While your suggestion about recording what the woman does is a good one, very little, if any good, comes of doing such.  I suppose if you end up in court, perhaps it documents the behavior.  Police today are hesitant to get involved in family issues like this.

My Mother used to drive around town, with a gun in the car, threatening to shoot my husband, and on one occasion her own mother and a friend of the family who witnessed it for himself.  We have her, on tape, threatening to have my husband's feet put in concrete boots, and then thrown off the high rise bridge in the area.  We had her involuntarily committed only to have her out of the hospital within 24 hours.  When we appealed to the court for the restraining order, it took two months just to get her served with the summons to appear.  The officer(s) would go to the house, see her inside, but be unable to get her to come to the door.  She would smile at them, flip 'em the finger, and even sneak out the back, crank up the car, and just about run over the deputy as she backed down the driveway.  To get her served, we had to figure out where she might be at what time, and when we spotted her at a fast-food restaurant, called the police and asked them to hurry there with the summons.  We have tape after tape after tape of her threats and obscenities on the answering machine, and caller ID saved us from many ugly confrontations over the telephone.  It was not uncommon for her to call the house every five to ten minutes throughout the day.  She would call my place of work and leave "subtle" nasty messages;  I knew what she was doing, however.  Not answering the phone or returning messages didn't stop her.  She would drive over to our home, sit in her car in the driveway, and blow the horn until someone came out to speak to her.  When my sister got into an argument with her one afternoon, and asked her to please leave (it was upsetting the baby), Mother refused, and it took the police coming to the house, putting handcuffs on the woman, and escorting her out to patrol car.

Your advice about NO CONTACT is actually on the mark.  My sister has never been able to go as far to avoid the whole scene as what I have, and I've had to point out to her that at the least, then, the relationship with Mother must be on her terms, not Mother's.  I admire her in some ways for still hanging in there when it's a lost cause, but it hasn't come without a price to her, her marriage, and her unfortunate children.
 
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February 28, 2006, 10:01 am PST

on the outs with in-laws

there is something wrong with this story.  Many questions left unanswered.  Where are the kids and why aren't they living with their parents????  Why did Anna take her child to her mother in-law and leave him there for 3 months???  If she has filed for divorce because of her mil then why is her husband still living with her???  He said he hasn't spoken with his mother in a year so what's the problem? 

The mil seemed controlling but so does the dil.  Seems the dil wants control also. 

This show was one where there were no soluations --- The ones I feel for are the kids. 

 
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February 28, 2006, 10:08 am PST

I (sorta) agree!!

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Starsnyou hit the nail right on the head here!  There are too many insecure daughter-in-laws, who feel threatened by the mom's love for her son out there.  They have no right to drive a wedge between the mother and her son, and sooner or later it will come back to bite them in the butt. 

That man loves his mother, and he will miss seeing her some day.  Right now, he is mad at her, but that will pass.  Then, he will resent the controlling, overbearing, manipulative witch who kept his kids' grandmother away from them and kept him away from his own mother.  Anna Laura is a mean-spirited drama queen, and I don't believe for one minute she intends to divorce Morgan.  He should be so lucky.  She is not strong willed, as he said.  She is mean, nasty, controlling and divisive.  Strong willed women are not rude and do not try to divide families.  That woman did not give her mother-in-law the courtesy of speaking to defend herself at all on the show.  I felt really sorry for the mother-in-law.  It was like they all ganged up on her, even through Dr. Phil was trying to control the situation.  The mother-in-law was not heard here, and she was the only one who admitted having any part in the problem!  I give that woman credit for doing that on national TV. 

Starsnyou...you make a good point...BUT!!!! 

  

Your criticism of Dr. Phil seems a little shortsighted because he's confronting mother-in-law's who DO need to be put in their place. As a mother-in-law myself (I have a son-in-law), I would NEVER assume that there are "too many daughter-in-law's who feel insecure by the Mom's love for her son", because by making that statement, I would be revealing the fact that I'm the one who's insecure - not my dauther-in-law. 

  

Having said that, I do agree that a son should always love his mother, but his wife should come first, and his wife should take "first place" in his heart, not his mother...and I'm saying this as a mother of two soon-to-be-married son's. 

  

And anyone who's a daughter-in-law knows how hard it CAN be to be accepted by her husband's mother. I believe it is OUR duty as mother's to be the bigger person by accepting our daughter's and son's-in-law completely - warts and all - just as we do our own children. I believe that we are to set the example, and be the one's to reach out to THEM with love and acceptance. 

 
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February 28, 2006, 10:08 am PST

So off the mark

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I don't think it's fair to imply that her family is not happy with the situation the way it is, or that she is controling.  We don't know how hard they have tried to mend fences with her MIL or that her husband even wants to have a relationship with her.     

  

As far as the grandchildren go, I can say from personal experience that my parents' marriage and my childhood would have been better had my mother kept her mother from us.  She was a terribly mean woman, who contributed nothing but drama, chaos, and hatred to our lives.  My father was always cordial to her, but her hatred for him was palpable.  I have never felt anything but contempt for her.      

 I beg to differ with you, Gradmabear.

When there is no resolution to the problem with the family, one does break away from them.  Anna Laura's sister-in-law is exactly right when she tells Anna Laura that if this continues, it will kill her.

Family does not give anyone the privilege of abusing others.  We expect strangers on the street to abuse us, not members of our own families.  I speak from experience when I say I broke away from my mother and I had NO choice.  It was me or her, and my survival instinct was still too strong.  That, and I had an obligation to my own child.  It's not easy, to do or to live with, but you have to weigh the costs and it was too expensive a proposition to contribute to the next generation's being made miserable because of one abusive member of the family -- mother or not, grandmother or not.

 
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February 28, 2006, 10:10 am PST

There you go

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I don't think it's fair to imply that her family is not happy with the situation the way it is, or that she is controling.  We don't know how hard they have tried to mend fences with her MIL or that her husband even wants to have a relationship with her.     

  

As far as the grandchildren go, I can say from personal experience that my parents' marriage and my childhood would have been better had my mother kept her mother from us.  She was a terribly mean woman, who contributed nothing but drama, chaos, and hatred to our lives.  My father was always cordial to her, but her hatred for him was palpable.  I have never felt anything but contempt for her.      

 From the mouths of babes, Gradmabear.
 
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February 28, 2006, 10:10 am PST

02/28 On the Outs With In-Laws

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mizbilli, did you notice who did all the bullying and talking on that show?  I bet that poor old lady didn't get 50 words in the whole show!  Even after Dr. Phil asked her a question to let her get her case stated, it was still "The Anna Laura Drama Queen show," so I felt sorry for the mom and for Morgan.  Anna Laura steamrolled over all of them!   

  

Some of the audience was siding with Anna Laura when she over-dramatized the facts, but at least the mother-in-law was admitting to having a part in this and was not overstating every thing she said.  This family did not get this way because of ONE person's actions.  They have each played a roll there.  In every family, people say some things they later regret.  It is the nature of people who are constantly around each other - - at least if they are stating their true feelings and not hiding them. 

Granmabear, 

I suspect you have a little more than just a passing interest in this topic,judging by your replies. If you think it's ok to be manipulative,overbearing,and nasty to your own daughter-inlaw,and claim it to be "love of your son"-well,that's just wrong. I have a son,and I hope to GOD he grows up to be healthy,and independent of me,to love your children is to give them wings,NOT suffocate them with manipulation and deceit. 

The only reason this woman didnt talk much is because she was too busy smiling and goading the poor daughter-inlaw with her lies. She said enough,in my opinion. 

 

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