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What happens when a child you’ve loved and raised turns against you? Meet families who are afraid for their lives because their children are angry and incredibly violent. Thirteen-year-old Nick is so out of control, he has used an ax to destroy his home, often chokes his little brother, and has threatened friends and family members with a knife! His aunt, Tonya, fears for the family's safety so much that she calls every morning just to make sure her sister is still alive. Dr. Phil informs Nick's parents, Greg and Trisha, that they have a tough decision to make. Then, Laurie says her 14-year-old daughter, Mariah, hates her so much that she feels Mariah is capable of killing her. They get in knock-down, drag-out fights at least twice a week that don't end until Mariah is physically pulled off her mother by her stepfather. Laurie's husband, Don, is ready to call it quits because he can't deal with his stepdaughter's violent and rebellious behavior. What is behind Mariah’s anger? Talk about the show here.

 

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April 17, 2006, 2:05 pm PDT

04/17 Dangerous Kids

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I sit here and read all your posts, and I have to laugh.  You are all so full of advice, you all know what we as parents should be doing to prevent this from happening in our children, you go as far to say we should beat our kids (which I agree - violence gets you NO WHERE) to saying they must be mentally disabled in some manner.  Let me ask you all (except the post from the guest from the show) one question  - Have you been in this position personally?  How can you give advice if you have not lived it?  You think you know what's best, and "your kid" would never behave like this... and I'd spank mine, that will fix them... come on people, have you lived it?    Do you have any idea what it feels like to watch your child be so angry and violent one minute, but then be your baby the next?  Do you have any idea how it feels to HAVE to call the police on your OWN CHILD because your in fear of your life? Then visit them in the place they put him to "fix" him and watch him cry and apologize and ask just like he did when he was 2 and bumped his knee?  No, you don't.  You don't understand the heartache you feel when you watch this happen to your child.   So please when you offer your advice to us that live this every day, think twice before you speak.

 I know what your saying about calling the cops out on the child , My Step son needs help his mom wont get him any I personally think his meds are wrong and she refusses to take him to a psyciatrist to see if he needs different meds one minute his fine and happy and one of the other kids pisses him off and he goes off and tears the house up or beats on his dad and dad affraid to even touch him cause mom will press charges on him its a mess but weve begged her to ge them into counseling and she refusses  and she has custody of them . So our only hope is the court system  they have him on 2 counts now breaking a 911 call and domestic battery . If you have any suggestions on who to call i would greatly appreciate it .. Thanks Patricia
 
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April 17, 2006, 2:13 pm PDT

04/17 Dangerous Kids

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I have a 15 year old daughter...she is very well behaved, very mellow, loves sports does well in school.

 

I also have a 14 year old son...he enjoys sports, has decent grades, but also has the worst temperament I have ever seen and has since he was a year old. One second he would be sweet and loving and the most wonderful child you could ever imagine..and the next second you could be sucking in your gut before he took a chunk out of it while biting you and ripping a hole in your shirt.

When he was in the 1st grade he was threatened to be kicked out of school for smarting off to his music teacher. We changed schools, with a principal that was willing to help however he had to.

I like to think i did everything possible to help him, he went to counseling, he was on anti-depressants (Prozac when he was 8 and it did not help at all) The 'shrink' tried telling me he was ODD (Oppositional Defiant Disorder). I said fine what has to happen...and they told me I had to put him on many different meds...I said no and we went home, i talked to the school and we set up a very strict schedule and a plan as to how things HAD to be done and My son knew the consequences when he did something wrong.

 

We had several issues where he would kick and scream and yell and get into a fight with his sister. and then I would get angry when he would not listen. My husband (his stepfather) and him had an issue where my son had to be held down and then he turned us in for abuse. The state agency came and talked and determined we had a misunderstanding and that my son admitted that he was in the wrong and provoked it all. (which he did, he was in my face threatening to hit me, because I would not let him go out after 8PM on a school night)

 

He is now living with his biological father and seems to be doing much better. He still has fits of rage and then turns to crying and saying he is sorry but it is not as bad as it used to be.

He thankfully has a huge heart for small children and for animals and never has hurt them.

 

I hope that whoever is dealing with a child like this can figure out a happy medium. I refused to allow my son to be medicated because I think it adds to the problem. I know that for some it helps though!

"He is now living with his biological father and seems to be doing much better. He still has fits of rage and then turns to crying and saying he is sorry but it is not as bad as it used to be.

He thankfully has a huge heart for small children and for animals and never has hurt them."

 

How did he grow up?? What  has your son learned from you and the man you chose to father him with?  What has he learned from  his two role models? You're divorced right?  Could it be that your son has seen to much fighting and that he lives with a broken heart? 

 
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April 17, 2006, 2:16 pm PDT

14 yr old

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  I AM ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT APPEARED ON THIS SHOW.

JUST FOR THE RECORD, HERE IN CANADA OUR LAWS ARE IF YOU HIT A CHILD THEN YOU ARE CHARGED WITH CHILD ABUSE. WHEN YOUR CHILD LEAVES HOME AT 14 YRS OLD THE POLICE WILL NOT GET INVOLVED AND THEY WILL NOT MAKE THE CHILD GO HOME.

HERE IN CANADA OUR LAWS HAVE TAKEN AWAY OUR CONTROL OF OUR CHILDREN BUT YET IF THEY DO SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST THE LAW THEN WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM. GO FIGURE!! AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED, IF A CHILD RUNS AWAY BEFORE THE AGE OF 16 THEN THEY SHOULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE HOME IMMEDIATELY. BUT NO!!! OUR RIDICULOUS LAWS DON'T DO THAT.

THAT IS ONE TOOL THAT MY CHILD USES AGAINST ME BECAUSE SHE HAS SAID IF YOU TOUCH ME THEN I WILL CALL THE POLICE! OH AND YOU CANT MAKE ME COME HOME BECAUSE IM 14!

BUT LETS FACE IT, THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS, PHYSICAL VIOLENCE IS NOT THE ANSWER!

I HAVE 2 OTHER CHILDREN WHO ARE PERFECTLY WELL BEHAVED AND RESPECTFUL 

You dont have to hit her. Just dont give her anything. Her attitude will change when she wants some clothes, money for movies, rides to places, etc.......Until she starts respecting you,,,,,,refuse to give her things. Her attitude will change.
 
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April 17, 2006, 2:18 pm PDT

With regard to the people actually on the show...

Why are they blocking this kid's face?  Embarrass him,  show him on national television and then bring the kid out and say "What do you think of this?"  Dr. Phil does that to a lot of guests on the show and they say "wow, that's us?  we really look like that?" and then a lightbulb goes off.

 

What scares the heck out of me is that the parents can talk matter of factly about this behavior.  That means that they are well used to it and it's been going on for a very long time.  Why did they not seek help for this kid when he was younger?  That kid is terrifying.

 

If my kid behaved like this one there is no way he would be living in my home.  I would not live in fear.  This whole "but I love him..." stuff from the mother serves no purpose.  We know you love your kid.  All parents do.  But you need to do right by them.  In this case, that's getting him help.

 
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April 17, 2006, 2:21 pm PDT

What to do??

situation: mother of 3, very wealthy, the problems have escalated through the years but now they have 3 very spoiled children. She has tried through the years to get help for the children who since a young age exuted behavioral problems, the kicker is the father has supported the children's behavior and given her NO support. Sometimes even blaming the mother(this is wife#3) She is a Catholic,pacifist and believes that divorce was not an option although she is now ready to go because she is litteraly scared of the 16 year old, and wants the 8 year old to get a chance. I say it's to late. What should she do ???? Sincerely, A friend of mother--PS she's scared. He (the 16 year old boy's daaddy will soon be buying him a new car (like he did the daughter) and he(the son) is obbseced with guns. She and the daughter are in councelling but the father refuses, the daughter and son think it's "un-cool" and refuse, should she divorce and save her and the 8 year old or stick out their million dollar lifestyle. Need advice quick.----
 
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April 17, 2006, 2:22 pm PDT

Out of control children

My heart goes out to the kids and their parents.  I want you to know I think you are awesome because you cared so much for your children, you wrote to Dr. Phil.  You have a door open to you for help that I didn’t have with my daughter.  I really hope and pray that anyone else that is having these problems with their children like this, will seek the help that is needed to help these kids.  I have been there myself with daughter.  The feeling of helplessness and not knowing what to do, keep you second guessing what to do, trying to keep control so that you won’t totally lose it are most difficult part of all.  And all the time that you spend on the problems doesn’t leave much or no time for special time with them.  I cried, begged and pleaded for help.  I can’t tell you how many councilors she saw from the age of 10 to 16 which didn’t help at all.  By the time she was hitting puberty, she was totally out of control.  She was more harmful to herself, but she went after her older sister with a knife.  So at the age of 16, they commented her in the state hospital.  She was there for 3 years which she checked herself out.  She has 2 daughters now which I worry about all the time.  She still has problems; she loses control with her kids.  She has caused so much trouble in the family; no one will have anything to do with her.  It breaks my heart; I feel if she would have had more help when she was younger, I think her life would have been better now.  I think as parents, we don’t have the skill to deal children with mental problems.  At least I didn’t, but I didn’t have anywhere to turn.        

 

 
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April 17, 2006, 2:28 pm PDT

What i had to do with an abusive teen!!!

I am a mother of 2 children that are like this.  I have also raised 4 out of 6 kids that are like this.  Two of them children ended up in juvenile facilities.  My own two were headed in the same direction.  My daughter who is now 16 was very dangerous to everyone in our home.  He stabbed her youngest brother with a fork, choked her other younger brother, beat on me for over 10 years and broke my fiance's toes on two separate occassions.  After beating on me, choking her brother and attempted suicide, she was arrested on domestic battery charges and placed in juvenile detention for 1 year.  As heart broken as i was, i contacted the juvenile worker and asked that they give her a stern sentence.  i could not have her endangering her little brothers any longer.  It turned out to be the best decision i could have made for her.  She came home a completely different child.   I can only hope that parents that have had these same problems try to do the same thing.  Sometimes tough love is what they need more than tender love. 

 

Sincerely,

A Mother who cares.

 
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April 17, 2006, 2:34 pm PDT

Been there, lived there

Watching the show today was a flashback to my son's behavior from the time he was born.  He was our second child and "alternate child" syndrome was definitely at work.  From the time he came home from the hospital he screamed 16-18 hours a day.  He would scream himself to exhaustion, sleep and then start the cycle again.  His dad and I would take turns leaving the house for a few hours to keep our sanity.  Something was definitely wrong, but no one could tell us what it was.  All the doctors said there was nothing physically wrong with him.  The psychologist said we needed to understand that he just had a different temperment than his brother.  Most other people knew something was different about this child.  As he entered school they wanted him on Ritalin.  Researching the long term physical side effects, we vetoed the idea.  A speech therapist at the school asked what I was willing to do.  I was at the end of my rope and said "anything".  She handed me "Is This Your Child?" by Dr. Doris Rapp.  I was more than skeptical since just about everyone has an idea of what's "wrong" with kids.  But I've got to say that after reading it and learning about food allergies it saved my son's life.  Literally!  It started with a diet and finding out what foods triggered his behaviors.  After two weeks his teacher congratulated me on learning how to discipline my child.   She said whatever I was doing had certainly made him do a 180 and we should keep doing it.  When I told her about the book and the diet, she was skeptical, but agreed it had miraclous results.  He is now grown and after 13 years still monitors the corn syrup that triggered him.   It can be so frustrating to deal with this, but there are some answers out there, and diet has always been high on the list.  It's not sugar.......it's corn syrup that is the enemy :( 

 
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April 17, 2006, 2:37 pm PDT

Sounds/Looks Like Attachment Disorder

I am in the process of raising a child whose past behavior easily equaled that of the children on this show. He was out of control from the age of 18 months--the year his father and I split up. I sought professional help, which led to a diagnosis of ADHD, but I knew it was something more than that. About four years ago, after years of counselling, Ritalin, Adderall, Prozac, special education, self-help books, etc., I finally ran across information about Attachment Disorders. It completely changed our lives. I had to change how I was parenting. I had to stop yelling, set firm boundaries with meaningful consequences, and completely stop any kind of physical punishment or restraint--violence and yelling only escalate the problem. Attachment Disorder treatment is all about rebuilding trust between the child and the caregiver. Once I was in contol of myself, my son became calmer, more manageable, and, finally, happy. I no longer fear for the safety of my family. My son is now sixteen. He has been off all medication for two years and receives no counselling. I am no longer afraid of him, and I even get a hug once in awhile. If you want to learn more about Attachment Disorders, I highly recommend the book "Attachment, Trauma, and Healing." It could save a life. Good Luck!
 
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April 17, 2006, 2:41 pm PDT

Ever since he was very little

 When a woman has a son and sees thet he's vibrant, full of life, strong-willed, and somewhat mischievious, she can either say I''ve got my work cut out for me teaching this beautiful little person to behave, but still retain his confidence and determination that are good qualities as long as they're tempered.....or she can decide he a demon child, full of hate. But no, we can't change the fact that we are all born completely blank slates, who immediately begin to pick up on things communicated to us, some verbal, some implied, some nonverbal physical cues people are constantly communicating, not just when lying. So Nick has picked up on the fact that his Mom thinks he's bad, and he's torn to pieces emotionally, so he acts out. Dr. Phil has an excellent solution, in my uneducated opinion, to put him in a residential facility; But the hidden truth maybe I shouldn't even mention is that, in my opinion, Dr. Phil knows these parents are poisoning their son. (Mentally and emotionally, I mean.)

  When I saw the tape filmed in their kitchen, I saw that Greg did continue to stand uncomfortably, dominatingly close to Nick, then Nick would push him back and let go, then Greg responded,oddly, especially if he's afraid of Nick, by putting his arms on Nick's upper arms/shoulders and shoving him back a couple of steps. This pushing continues, where Nick is trying to get Greg off of him, from standing too close, toe to toe, in a squared off pose men usually find aggressive from other males. Watch closely in film like this, the proofs in the fine flavors of the puddin';Like when Nick jumped past Greg in the doorway, he seemed more afraid of what would happen than aggressive. Much of his tone of voice in the piece went from trying to sound tough or "big" to a whining tone, showing he was trying to bluff off his opponent Greg.

 

 
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