Topic : 08/09 A Mother's Rage

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Created on : Friday, May 05, 2006, 06:58:58 am
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(Original Air Date: 05/08/06) Karen is a stay-at-home mother of five who says her anger is out of control. She fears that if she doesn't get help right now, she'll fly off the deep end and do permanent damage to her children. Cameras placed in her home capture an alarming day in the life of Karen and her kids as she degrades and rages at them, and physically abuses her 10-year-old son, Brandon. Karen's husband, Jim, who says he has no idea what goes on in their home while he's at work, sees the home footage for the first time. What is his reaction? Then, hear from Brandon and his 9-year-old sister, Shayna, who describe what it's like to be a small child on the other side of a mother's intense rage. And, what did they tearfully tell the producers about how their dad disciplines them? Plus, Dr. Phil shows how Karen's 3-year-old twins are coping with their fear. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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Please be assured that immediately following the taping of "A Mother's Rage," the Dr. Phil show did make a report to local child protection authorities. As a mental health professional, Dr. Phil is required by law to make such a report if he has concerns about the safety, welfare or well being of a child. However, Dr. Phil does not himself have the authority to remove children from their parents' home.

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May 8, 2006, 3:11 pm PDT

GET THOSE KIDS OUT OF THERE TODAY

I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT THOSE CHILDREN ARE GOING TO STAY IN THAT HOUSE ONE MORE DAY. DIDN'T ANYONE ELSE SEE THE TERRIBLE FEAR ON THOSE BEAUTIFUL CHILDREN'S FACES?   

   

HOW CAN A MAN BE TRUSTED TO HELP THEM AFTER HE ADMITTED TO HITTING THEM WITH A STICK AND KICKING  THEM WITH HIS FOOT.  HE SAID HE HAD ONLY DONE IT ONCE, BUT THE CHILDREN ARE SCARED TO DEATH OF THE "STICK."  I BELIEVE THE CHILDREN ABOUT THE NUMBER OF TIMES THEY HAVE BEEN HIT WITH THE "STICK."  IT IS OBVIOUS THE KIDS  HAVE BEEN  BRAIN WASHED AND INTIMIDATED.  THE LITTLE BOY SAID THEY DID NOT TALK ABOUT  THEIR MOTHER  BECAUSE IT WAS A "PRIVATE" MATTER.   

   

I HOPE THE AUTHORITIES OVERRIDE DR. PHIL AND REMOVE THEM IMMEDIATELY.   

 
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May 8, 2006, 3:11 pm PDT

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I really hope Dr. Phil contacted DCF. This has been one of the most disturbing shows. Those poor children! I hate that the Dad acted innocent and they were just as scared of him as they were their Mom. He shouldnt have sent those kids home with those parents. As for getting them help, I feel that it is simply too risky to get them "help" and leave the kids in the home to see if it worked!
 
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May 8, 2006, 3:11 pm PDT

I lived those kids life

I was a child who grew up with an abusive mother. My father was passive most of the time but he would obey her direction to hurt us kids. I know what that little boy and girl feels. I have memories of being around 2 so this violence will effect the little ones too. I used to get off the porch and go in our back yard and crawl in the dog coop and hide from my mom. The dog was my father's hunting dog. She would growl and not let my mother near me. Funny how she got loose and was found trying to crawl home with her stomach eaten away with poison, I think I know who did this, mom, she was very jealous of my father's attention and he loved that dog. During my childhood I was kicked, hair pulled, bruised, verbally bashed down, punched, strangled, lips split open and just had a violent childhood. I know first hand how awful this behavior is, it scars you. You can find your way through this but really it is hard. I cryed when those kids tried to tell Dr. Phil that they wanted their mom to get help. I know how they love their mom and want things to get better. Let's hope their dad will stand up for his kids and keep them safe, mine wouldn't
 
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May 8, 2006, 3:11 pm PDT

Karen & Jim

I am 64 and lived with a verbally and physically abusive mother, thank god I had a wonderful Aunt & Uncle to run to.  Please know this - your actions stay with your children all their lives.  It appears that your children have no one to step in and take up for them.  If you were treated the way you are treating your children now - please stop and show them the love you both obviously didn't feel from your parents.  Just from watching them for a short time, it is very apparent they are affraid of both of you.  They are not going to forget their childhood and when they leave home they may not want to be around you and you will miss the pleasure and warmth of love from grandchildren.  It is never too late to be available loving parents and you might start by apologizing to the children for what you have taught them!
 
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May 8, 2006, 3:11 pm PDT

05/08 A Mother’s Rage

Those kids need to be removed from that house immediately. I am disappointed the Dr. Phil didn't take a stronger stand for the children. It seems that both parents are guilty of abuse on these children - they need help NOW.
 
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May 8, 2006, 3:12 pm PDT

I agree - he was not surprised or shocked.

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Does anyone think it's funny the lack of emotion on the dad's face when he saw this video?  For him to have had "no idea" it was this bad, he sure didn't look surprised nor did he look upset.  He looked very detached and unemotional. If he really thought it was wrong and didn't know, he would have been very upset, not unemotional and holding his wife's hand.   And then to find out that he is abusive as well - and HE is supposed to be their protector and ensure their safety?  That's like putting the fox in charge of the hen house (or however that saying goes).  These children should not be entrusted with EITHER parent. 

And I don't think the kids were wrong - I believe he, too, kicks, hits, screams at and punishes them.  I couldn't help but cry throughout the show.  Reading above, I realize others are affected, too.  And that means NEIGHBORS, TEACHERS, and FAMILY MEMBERS are seeing this perhaps for the first time today.  Maybe these kids will be safe at last.  That can be our prayer.  

   

And it is not just this family, but families everywhere that have abuse, anger, and out of control authority by every stretch of the imagination.  I am still surprised at the reports from people everywhere who have had such a traumatic childhood.    

   

There are sooooo many family secrets... it is too much to try to understand.  I personally have to ask God to keep reminding us that He really does know what He is doing, and that we are safe with Him ultimately if not here right now.  

 

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May 8, 2006, 3:12 pm PDT

Oh my God!!

I just started watching this show and I got  barely into the beginning taped piece and had to stop it. I do not know if I can continue watching this episode.  I am so sick to my stomach and so angry I could spit!  You need a license to get a dog, but they will let any knucklehead be a parent.  I will finish watching when I calm down but I can tell from the posts already on here, that it does not get much better.  I do not care what your kid does, beating him while he screams and then injuring him is unacceptable.  Dr. Phil, you always say abuse is a deal breaker in a marraige....what about for children?  That boy was hurt and she did not believe him, showed him no sympathy....those children should be with protective services immediately!  You advised the abused girlfriend last week to leave the boyfriend until he can get help....those kids should not be around her until she can prove herself.  Most importantly, shame on the husband to say he did not stop her as he wants to show a united front to the children.  If he saw his wife, his mother, anyone else in his family being attacked, would he stand by?   

As I said, I am too upset to watch the rest right now and maybe there was more to the story, but in my opinion, nothing she could say will justify what I just saw.  I cannot have children and I suffer everyday, yet she has no idea what blessings she has in those children, let alone what damage she has caused them.   

  

 
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May 8, 2006, 3:12 pm PDT

a mothers rage

This show really affected me it made me try to be a little bit more patient and kind to my kids. It   made me think about what was coming out of my mouth. The mother on the show gets no support from her husband and I didnt get the feeling he was sincere at all in helping her. That doesnt excuse her behavior AT ALL! I can't believe the  father didn't see any of that....I think he chose not to see it. I feel so bad the kids have to suffer for the parents being so caught up in their own crap that they cant see what they are doing to these sweet innocent gifts from God.  

   

Cindy  

 
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May 8, 2006, 3:13 pm PDT

oh my goodness

you need to take her kids when I was watching your show it was like looking in the past for me I had an abusive dad and I know haw the kids feel don't let her do that to them any more it will permanently make them fearful of people.  Its not a fun life to live.
 
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May 8, 2006, 3:13 pm PDT

deeply concerned

 We are so worried about one of the abusers (the step-father with the stick and steel toed boots) being left in charge to be Dr. Phil's "eyes and ears".  It makes no sense!!!  In Ontario,Canada, these children would have been removed from the home immediately by Child and Family Services.  Dr. Phil we have always respected your opinion until today.  For God's sake get the authorities to intervene NOW these children are in so much danger. 
 

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