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Topic : 08/09 A Mother's Rage

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Created on : Friday, May 05, 2006, 06:58:58 am
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(Original Air Date: 05/08/06) Karen is a stay-at-home mother of five who says her anger is out of control. She fears that if she doesn't get help right now, she'll fly off the deep end and do permanent damage to her children. Cameras placed in her home capture an alarming day in the life of Karen and her kids as she degrades and rages at them, and physically abuses her 10-year-old son, Brandon. Karen's husband, Jim, who says he has no idea what goes on in their home while he's at work, sees the home footage for the first time. What is his reaction? Then, hear from Brandon and his 9-year-old sister, Shayna, who describe what it's like to be a small child on the other side of a mother's intense rage. And, what did they tearfully tell the producers about how their dad disciplines them? Plus, Dr. Phil shows how Karen's 3-year-old twins are coping with their fear. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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Some viewers have raised questions about whether the Dr. Phil show reported Jim and Karen to the authorities after the taping of this show. Other viewers have expressed surprise that Karen and Jim's children were allowed to go home with them after the show.

Please be assured that immediately following the taping of "A Mother's Rage," the Dr. Phil show did make a report to local child protection authorities. As a mental health professional, Dr. Phil is required by law to make such a report if he has concerns about the safety, welfare or well being of a child. However, Dr. Phil does not himself have the authority to remove children from their parents' home.

Remember that a lot happens after the taping of a show that TV viewers never get to see.  Dr. Phil's staff draws on a vast network of experts and mental health professionals to help Dr. Phil guests. Karen's family is just one of many to have received this assistance.

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May 8, 2006, 3:58 pm PDT

Saddest show I've seen

This was perhaps the saddest Dr. Phil show I've ever seen and I HOPE I don't have to see another one. My childhood was sadly similar, although the physical abuse was not even half as bad. My father simply used abusive names, threats and would stop punches before they hit my face.  

  

However, I have been married 16 years (to a wonderful man) and each and every day I must WORK to control my inner rage. Once in a great while I scare my children with yelling. I stop myself and apologize, but I know I cannot take back all the hurt my rage caused. My children and I are VERY close and 99.9% of the time we have a quiet, loving, respectful relationship. I work hard every single day to not fly off the handle that 1% of the time.  

  

I truly wish my mother had the confidence to protect us and take us out of our abusive home, but she was weak, scared and verbally abused as well (she did what she was capable of at the time). I love my father dearly now (I've forgiven him...after over 30 years), but the damage he caused in me is shameful. I continue to work on myself and thankfully God has given me a calm, kind, patient man to be the father of our children.  

  

May this family find healing and may the scars of those children not affect their future families. They, too, will probably have to work HARD not to continue the cycle. God bless them all and God bless Dr. Phil for his work with them.  

 
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May 8, 2006, 3:58 pm PDT

I am glad to see an Intervention from Dr. Phil

 I understand how it feels to live in a dysfunctional home with an abusive parent. I am an adult in my 30's and still have not fully recovered from this completely.  For years I was afraid to speak to adults or stand up for myself when others would say things to me. I realized that the abuse I had endured in my childhood has made me this way.  While most of my friends were concerning themselves with college, a career, getting married and having children I was still trying to understand why all this happened to me. I feel I lost precious time in my life focusing on the dysfunction instead of what was really important.. A future for me. I wished I had that intervention while growing up. I hope that Dr. Phil will talk more about this so that people will be aware that  child abuse still exsists and should not be ignored!
 
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May 8, 2006, 3:58 pm PDT

05/08 A Mother’s Rage

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WITCH33 how dare you judge karen and her family!i truley believe that karen can change and with dr.phils help she will change and become the mother she wants to be.negative comments such as yours do nothing but discourage.as for karen and her family all my love and prayers be with you!!!!!!!
Right!  Oh sure she will just change over night!  What planet are you living on?
 
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May 8, 2006, 3:59 pm PDT

Thats not right!!!

How dare this women have the right to do that to her children!!!! Im only 16 years old and I even know thats not right!! My parents would never raise there fist or phyiscally hurt me because there anger! I hope this mother gets lots of help this is not fair ! When  I watched this episode I become almost physically ill just from seeing it. It makes me anger and sick! I hope that those children now can go to a safe house but please dont let them go back! The parents didnt even think hitting there kid was that bad? What is wrong with them!!!!! 

 
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May 8, 2006, 3:59 pm PDT

I would like to offer help

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Is there anyone to talk to?  Can you live somewhere else?  My heart broke when I read your post....

I know what you are going through I am a 32 year old survivor and an oldest of three sisters. I would like to give you an ear to lean on. I am in Oregon and I lived with the exact same thing this show and you are talking about it. Having lived through this I know your fears are very real. I didn't read the whole post but is your father any help? Your fears are so real I failed my sisters and one of them resents me for not being able to stop mom and protect her. You have to let your siblings know you love them and that no matter what happens with mom you all need to band together. I left home for college and tried to ignore the problem and it only made it worse. When I came home it was only worse. If you have a car what I found worked the best was to grab my sisters and just get out of the house. When they are young and stuck in the house they have no escape and that helps allot. Go with them to school and help them talk to the school councilor let them talk to someone who is there to help them. Then just spend time with them and keep them away from the situation.

  

 

 

  

 

If you could I would try to get the parent in for psychiatric evaluation. It took 25 years but one my mom finally got to the point she would allow proper mental care things got a lot better.

  

 

 

  

 

Worse come to worse to the country Children and Family Services and do what you need to do to get your siblings out of that house. If I had been thinking I would have fought for my sisters to live with me when I went to college.

  

 

 

  

 

Anyway I am here to help.. nicolelschramartin@excite.com

  

 

 

 
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May 8, 2006, 3:59 pm PDT

Family not Easy

 
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May 8, 2006, 3:59 pm PDT

Another survivor

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I have only seen the clips to the May 8th show on "parental physical abuse", I think the clips were disturbing, but I believe that the show will be a mirror for those that are the survivors of raging parents and those that may not know that they have a problem with their anger. I am the survivor/thrivor of such a past. My mother beat my brother, sister and I until we were in our pre-teens. the humiliation, abandonment and hate that my mom thrust upon us as innocents was frightening and devistating.  I wore longer skirts to school to hide my welts, belt marks and bruises. "Spare the rod, Spoil the child" is a saying that I heard from both of my grandmothers, both of whom beat their kids as well. With every lash and smack I received, a little bit of my love and trust and pride in my parents fell away. What replaced it was resentment, fear, anger, hopelessness, and despair. I remember asking God, "Why? Why can't I have other parents?"  The problem at the time for me was having religious sects of Christianity that approved of this kind of treatment of children, my grandparents legacy of control based on beatings on my folks lead to me receiving all that generational hatred, control, shame, guilt and physical humiliation thrust upon me.....The proverbial scapegoat and I ran out into the desert.....But I didn't die.   

The good news is that somewhere in my prayers and in my actions I broke the cycle. I had an awakening and I got help because I realized that I was out of control...I may have learned a few things from my folks, but as an adult , I had the responsiblity to come to terms with the past and get help as an adult child of this abuse and heal and heal and heal. I hated my parents for what they did to me and it took a long time in therapy, Ala-anon, and prayer to realize that it wasn't them. It was the disease of shame and fear and hate that shaped them. You don't hate a sick person because they are sick. You hate the disease not the person. Out of this, I came to forgive my mom and dad, I can say that I have excellent boundaries with my mom (my dad has been deceased for 20 yrs.) and although we may have differences, I can love her anyway.    

I can say that my daughter grew up with a mom that wasn't perfect, but happy and oh so proud of her. I was a mildly strict mom with reasonable demands. "Time out " was punishment. And, although I was the final word on what was in her best interest, she always had a voice and say so in my house, etc. I NEVER LAID A HAND ON MY DAUGHTER! My daughter is in college and is an amazing young adult on a great journey.    

My biggest hope for those of you that are survivors of parental physical abuse is to get some help to look at and let go of the past and to learn how to live and let live. .....Learn how to thrive not just survive. To let go of the fear and learn how to self-love and trust again. And for those of you that are beating your kids.......STOP!.......You are causing more damage than you know. Please get help, you can live on love only if you give it a chance. Stop the hitting, don't turn them into your scapegoats.   

The clips from todays show bothered me from the moment they started airing. My heart has been aching as I returned to my younger years.  As the oldest of 6 children I was always running interference.  The abuse seemed to escalate as my parents continued to have kids that my mother had no idea how to control,  (her mother was also abusive)  I rec'd my share of blows.  I was 15 when I avoided the last attempted beating- I was then a full head taller than my mother- I was pulling her off of my sister who was then 12, laying on her back with mom's hands around her throat-I truly believe that had I not intervened she would have died that day-she attempted to hit me and 'take me down'-I stood my ground for the first time and declared that I was no longer going to be beaten.  I reclaimed my power.  From the time I could first remember-no matter what we did it wasn't good enough-my mom requested that my father cut special 'paddles' at work, I always wondered why he didn't realize why they kept disappearing-we buried them, burnt them and hid them.  Always another would turn up.  The pain from putting our hand over our rump to stop the blows is hard to describe and the verbal abuse was so degrading.  I know that my father had to work hard to feed his family and was often gone, but I am still daddy's little girl-even though he cut those paddles I couldn't believe he didn't know what was going on.   To this day my mother denies that she ever raised a hand when confronted by her children.  The youngest never remembered being abused physically, her abuse was of the emotional type.  Mom said she was to tired to beat her, she was worn out after she got done with the older kids.  I left home at 18 when I married a man who 'rescued' me-there's another story.  We now range in age of 35 to 49 and not one of us has escaped without the emotional baggage.  I have 4 children, 1 deceased-and 4 grandchildren.  I can truthfully say that after going thru my upbringing I have not had the heart or desire to inflict pain upon my kids.  My mom doesn't understand why her kids and her grandkids are so distant-I can't feel sorry for her, I mourn the childhood memories. I try to admonish her (she's now into her 70's) when she is hateful and she doesn't get that people don't tolerate the hate.  I have even seen here recently try to flip the bird at a passing car that she thinks wronged her.  I explain about road rage-she just can't seem to grasp that this is wrong.  Her anger will never diminish because she can't acknowledge that she is angry, she believes that everyone should wait on her, (she has a me first attitude) regardless of who else is in the room.  She thinks it's funny to be rude and verbally abuse.  Her sister has given her a nickname that I find true to form 'sharptongue' , when she first heard this she cried for 3 days but now she embraces it and finds it funny.  What kind of emotional baggage do you think she has been hiding all these years?? I find I am more the mother than the daughter. I used to be resentful and wishing I could have been born into my aunt's family, now I am just understanding and sad.  Thank God that Karen had the gut's to realize the horror she is inflicting and now is the time to act! 

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May 8, 2006, 3:59 pm PDT

Wow I can't believe he let that mother take those children home....

I heard the show on my way from work on the radio and I dont think I have ever been so emotional but after hearing that child beg his mom to stop I could not help but to change the station til the crying and begging stopped.  I am a mom too and I just kept thinking that I would have hurt Karen if I was there and witnessing this abuse.  Please Dr. Phil help these children............ 

I am really surprised that you let those kids leave your show with her.  I hope you dont regret it.  I am so heart broken for those children but I know that there are so many Brandon's in this world.  May God Bless the children that have to endure this kind of punishment from "the person they love". 

  

Please help these children...... 

 
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May 8, 2006, 4:00 pm PDT

whattt??

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WITCH33 how dare you judge karen and her family!i truley believe that karen can change and with dr.phils help she will change and become the mother she wants to be.negative comments such as yours do nothing but discourage.as for karen and her family all my love and prayers be with you!!!!!!!

You must not have seen the whole show... and if you have, you must be on some wicked drugs! That monster is WAY beyond help....  

   

WITCH33- I couldn't have said it better myself! AMEN!  

 
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May 8, 2006, 4:00 pm PDT

these children r damaged for life!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Those children should have been taken out of that home immediately! Just because the father says hes not going to leave them alone with her means nothing. Someone will end up hurt there. It makes me totally sick that the welfare of those innocent children is being taken so lightly!!!!!
 
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