Topic : 08/09 A Mother's Rage

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(Original Air Date: 05/08/06) Karen is a stay-at-home mother of five who says her anger is out of control. She fears that if she doesn't get help right now, she'll fly off the deep end and do permanent damage to her children. Cameras placed in her home capture an alarming day in the life of Karen and her kids as she degrades and rages at them, and physically abuses her 10-year-old son, Brandon. Karen's husband, Jim, who says he has no idea what goes on in their home while he's at work, sees the home footage for the first time. What is his reaction? Then, hear from Brandon and his 9-year-old sister, Shayna, who describe what it's like to be a small child on the other side of a mother's intense rage. And, what did they tearfully tell the producers about how their dad disciplines them? Plus, Dr. Phil shows how Karen's 3-year-old twins are coping with their fear. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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Some viewers have raised questions about whether the Dr. Phil show reported Jim and Karen to the authorities after the taping of this show. Other viewers have expressed surprise that Karen and Jim's children were allowed to go home with them after the show.

Please be assured that immediately following the taping of "A Mother's Rage," the Dr. Phil show did make a report to local child protection authorities. As a mental health professional, Dr. Phil is required by law to make such a report if he has concerns about the safety, welfare or well being of a child. However, Dr. Phil does not himself have the authority to remove children from their parents' home.

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May 8, 2006, 4:20 pm PDT

the "father" is just as guilty

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These parents are so frightening.  The mother scares me because of her outward rage and the father scares me because he is so quiet.  He seems to be a man so full of hate to the kids and he seems inwardly happy they are being hurt.  I expected he would show some emotion when he saw that tape that was other than what he did.  Did you see him chuckle?  I think he is a sociopath.  

   

I also think the mother is loving this attention.  She just sits there and cries but the tears seem so fake.   I think she's a bit of a narcissist and likes the lights and attention.  Maybe she wants her husband to pay attention - and SHOW SOME EMOTION - toward her.    

   

Please, Dr. Phil, have these children taken to a new place.  I fear for their lives.  

The "father" is so full of crap and just as guilty. First he says he didnt know this was happening, then admitts he brought home a stick (who is the psyco that gave him the stick to beat his kids?) He admitts he kicks them with steal toed boots! How could he be their caretaker....it's ridiuculous and outragous. Can you imagine what the parents do when there are no cameras? What other "secrets" are the kids not telling. I have never posted a message about any show in my life. I am soooooo angry at this outcome. Arrest both the parents! Save the children! And where is the biological father. That woman was soooooo into getting pitty and attention for herself. They clearly have no remorse.
 
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May 8, 2006, 4:20 pm PDT

I am so sorry!

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Is there anyone to talk to?  Can you live somewhere else?  My heart broke when I read your post....

My mother alienated me from family and scared me into not telling anyone. Now as an adult I WISHED I would have informed someone to HELP me! It will be okay to get help from a trusted family member or close friend.  

 
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May 8, 2006, 4:20 pm PDT

05/08 A Mother’s Rage

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Is there anyone to talk to?  Can you live somewhere else?  My heart broke when I read your post....
Please stay strong.  You are not alone.  Many go through what you go through.  Their may be some adult you can talk to, a counsler at your school, an adult family friend, a parent of one of your friends.  STAY STRONG!
 
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May 8, 2006, 4:20 pm PDT

happy to help

I don't know why my previous message did not post but this is a message to all of the dr phil producers, dr. phil himself and anyone else that may need someone to talk to.  I'm not anyone special and I am only one person that can help but I am writing to find out if there is anything I can do in this situation to help or anyone else that might come from the same place.  I have read the previous posts and am disappointed that there are so many people out there that feel they have the right to judge this situation or say that because this mother was treated a certain way that maybe that explains why she does what she does to her own family.  I feel for this mother, i feel for the husband and especially the children.  I thought i came from an abusive house and I know how many times i wish i had a stranger to talk to about my problems so I didn't get in trouble for telling.  We can't explain why she does what she does.  Its not right and she came on the show for help.  Also as the producers said....its not dr phils job to take these kids away.  he does what he can and I think he did a good job with what he could do.  Its more than most of us could.  I am here to say that I was appauled by the show and that if i can be of any assistance......i will.  I would help watch those kids....take them somewhere for fun.....i would do anything I could for this family so that the children could be happy loving thier mother.   They do love her and wouldn't be happy anywhere else.  i hope she changes and gets the help she needs.   
 
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May 8, 2006, 4:21 pm PDT

This Mother is a Bully!

How far away is she in her mindset from those mothers who murdered their children by drowning them?  Her husband did not seem very upset at seeing the video of her treament of the children & he is not qualified to "supervise" her handling of the children.  The children should be removed for their safety from the care of their parents.  They are very precious children & the eldest son seems to have a good head on his shoulders - better than his parents do.  I can understand Dr. Phil telling the children that their mother is not a "bad person" - but the actual fact is she is NOT a good person either!    

 
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May 8, 2006, 4:21 pm PDT

It was like looking in the mirror!!!

I grew up in a home where my mother raged and now 30 years later she still does.  Last week she was over and she got upset over something I said and physically attacked me in front of my 3 year old daughter.  The reason the show got to me was not only because of my mother but myself.  Karen was like seeing myself, I get so out of control with my anger that I as well take it out on my 3 year old daughter.  I used to physically slap and spank her but when I realized it was getting out of control I contacted a counsellor and started to get help.  I am still working on getting better control of myself.  I still yell and scream alot but at least I have been able to stop the physical abuse.  When I listened to the tape of Karen and her kids I heard so many of the words that I use in my home and it made me cry to think of how hurtful this is.  Like Karen's children my daughter used to cringe anytime I came near,  if I even raised my hand she would cower.  Now that I have stopped the spanks and slaps she no longer has those reactions but she does plug her ears and hides when I start to yell.  I am so glad that I have many supports in my community that I am able to deal with my anger issues and put my family first.  I believe that without my family first coordinator (she is a support for families and comes out once a week to my home) or my counselor (who also comes to my home so I do not need to take my children out) I would not be on my way to recovery and that one day I may have harmed my children maybe not physically but at the very least emotionally.   

Karen hang in there and know that the road to recovery is long and hard but it will be well worth it when you see the results in your children.  I know from experience and now that I no longer see my child cringe from my touch it is the best thing in the world.  I would never want my children to suffer for as long as I have.  God bless and know that you and your family are in my prayers.  

 
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May 8, 2006, 4:21 pm PDT

Forgiveness

I applaud Karen for the courage it took to face the public today.   How many mothers, having such a huge anger issue, would subject herself to the same?  Karen came to Dr. Phil because she knows she has a problem.  They call child abuse the "silent epidemic" because most people are too weak to even seek help.  I cried today for Karen's children's pain and for Karen's pain.  What a burden she must be carrying.  I pray for strength for the entire family to get through and past this trial.  I pray many parents who saw today's show will change their own behavior, or at least recognise it.  I pray that chain of violence gets stopped NOW.  I am one, like many posting today, who went and hugged my children as soon as the show ended.  (My 10 year old now thinks I'm insane because he was on the toilet at the time).  God bless you, Karen, for your courage.  God grant you more, you're going to need it.   

 
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May 8, 2006, 4:22 pm PDT

05/08 A Mother’s Rage

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I think that Karen is acting like this with her children, because she use to be treated the same way from her parents.  

  

  

So then she knows it was painful and wrong and should never do to someone else something that was so bad for her!! 

 

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May 8, 2006, 4:22 pm PDT

Monday's Rage

I'm sitting here after just watching this disturbing show. I just wanna know one thing. Why is this woman not in jail? How can this family continue to go on when there are no conciquences for a Mother totally out of control? We all teach our children that there are consiquences for their actions yet this woman's punisment is virtually non-existant. Where is the justice???? Dr. Phil I rarely watch your show and on the occasions that I do watch I often disagree with you, however you have really dropped the ball this time. I know this may seem a bit heartless but as a father I would involve the authorities the second I knew this was going on. All I know is that this woman needs to be in JAIL and therapy. Maybe if she knew the consiquences for her actions she may not be so quick to bully, beat, abuse, and be-little her own children. Dr. Phil I hope you can help this family I truely do. I wish them all the best of luck.
 
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May 8, 2006, 4:22 pm PDT

BEFORE YOU WATCH

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I just started watching this show and I got  barely into the beginning taped piece and had to stop it. I do not know if I can continue watching this episode.  I am so sick to my stomach and so angry I could spit!  You need a license to get a dog, but they will let any knucklehead be a parent.  I will finish watching when I calm down but I can tell from the posts already on here, that it does not get much better.  I do not care what your kid does, beating him while he screams and then injuring him is unacceptable.  Dr. Phil, you always say abuse is a deal breaker in a marraige....what about for children?  That boy was hurt and she did not believe him, showed him no sympathy....those children should be with protective services immediately!  You advised the abused girlfriend last week to leave the boyfriend until he can get help....those kids should not be around her until she can prove herself.  Most importantly, shame on the husband to say he did not stop her as he wants to show a united front to the children.  If he saw his wife, his mother, anyone else in his family being attacked, would he stand by?   

As I said, I am too upset to watch the rest right now and maybe there was more to the story, but in my opinion, nothing she could say will justify what I just saw.  I cannot have children and I suffer everyday, yet she has no idea what blessings she has in those children, let alone what damage she has caused them.   

  

Go out and buy a cheap TV set and plastic dart gun. You are going to want to shoot both parents and this may give you a release.  At the end though it seems as if Dr. Phil has confidence in the out come. I am a father who has not seen his daughter because of anger problems with her mother. I know for certain that my wife only married for security not love. Yet because of her manic-depression she could not be a good wife.  Her family allowed her to take our daughter and leave town. Yea arn't moms great. I know mine is though and she taught me how not to be.
 

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