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Topic : 08/23 My Fiancé is a Stalker

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Created on : Friday, May 12, 2006, 10:11:46 am
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(Original Air Date: 05/19/06) Amber says her fiancé, Ken, is out of control with his possessiveness, jealousy and rage. He called her 47 times in just one day. He has punched holes in the wall. He even followed her and rear-ended her car just because she wouldn't pick up the phone. Amber says Ken's behavior is getting worse, and she's beginning to fear for herself and their 1-year-old daughter. Amber's mother, Linda, says she has witnessed Ken's frightening behavior and the effect it has had on Amber, and she wants him out of her daughter's life for good. Dr. Phil intervenes. What is behind Ken's anger, and should this couple call it quits instead of walking down the aisle? Share your thoughts here.

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May 19, 2006, 1:53 pm PDT

05/19 My Fiancé is a Stalker

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I'VE BEEN CALLED A DAMN STOLKER. IT HURTS.
Then you need to seek help too.  Stalking is not normal behaviour.
 

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May 19, 2006, 1:55 pm PDT

05/19 My Fiancé is a Stalker

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There are no miracles ...he will either do the work or not...he needs to make new choices as his abuse is a choice.
Miracles happen every single day, sometimes they are just not obvious :) but I agree that God helps us if we help ourselves.  Both Ken and Amber have a big job ahead to get their thinking and behaviour onto the right track.  I hope they use the help Dr Phil offers.
 
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May 19, 2006, 1:56 pm PDT

Thanks!

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I left the father of my children  25 yrs ago and still get chills if I see someone that looks like him and still to this day wonder if he's coming to get me. 

  

  

When they become that controlling and jealous they don't know how to overcome nor do they see anything but their need to control. 

  

I left my family and friends and everything I held dear and moved to Las Vegas, otherwise I knew I wouldn't live.  He was so verbally abusive and the physical abuse was something nightmares are made of.  \ 

  

Back then  it did no good to call the police there was no support in place for women in my position. 

No one would help not the courts not the police,  finally the judge told my lawyer in chambers, Las Vegas would be the place to go because they had no jurisdiction here. 

  

  

I drew the line when he started disappearing with the  children for days at a time. We left with the clothes on our backs and came to Vegas. 

  

Noone should have to be pushed to that extreme. There is a support system out there and women need to know they have places to go.  But  We do need more programs to keep woman and children safe. 

  

I have ideas but dont know how to pursue them.  If anyone knows where I can find the resources or who to contact please let me know.  Noone should have to be forced to leave evrything because of a sick individual/ 

  

But I will say SHE needs to get out and not look back, before its to late. 

  

Thank you for protecting your children. I would live on the street with mine if it meant keeping them away from an abusive parent, etc. Women/men can call any social service agency (ex. salvation army, catholic charities, Interfaith Network, etc) and they can/will tell abused women/children where they can go, who they can call, etc). With the use of the Internet, many resouces can be found quickly. There is NEVER any excuse to put children in harm's way, which is what the guest is/will be doing if she allows the man (who is definitely SCARY) anywhere near their daughter. You did a wonderful thing for your own children. God bless you for that.
 
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May 19, 2006, 1:56 pm PDT

05/19 My Fiancé is a Stalker

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There are no miracles ...he will either do the work or not...he needs to make new choices as his abuse is a choice.
being a victim is just as much a choice too.
 
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May 19, 2006, 1:56 pm PDT

The Fiance and his past problems as a kid

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Get your son help now.  

   

It's the best and only thing to do.  

   

These problems do not go away.  

   

This anger will destroy his life...get him help.   

It's now almost to the end of the show and Amber's fiance has finally admitted why he is the way he is.  All comes down to what his own Dad did to him when he was a kid.  That stuff is learned/passed on down from an abusive parent.  Now, I really have hope that he can finally break that cycle and get onto a path of healing and being a better man and hopefully a much better father than his father ever was.  I can really see the pain in his eyes from what his Dad did to him all those years ago and I thank God for people like Dr. Phil who get to the core of the problem and get individuals like this young man some much needed help.  Mind you, I'm not excusing his behavior, but at least we now know why he's acting the way he is.  I really applaud the young man for having the guts to admit what his own father did to him.  Not many young men would admit that. 

  

Great show and much needed subject to be talked about. 

  

Michael 

 
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May 19, 2006, 1:57 pm PDT

Wow

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I think women who put up with this crap, deserve it. I mean really grow a BACKBONE! The way I was raised you do not take BS off of NO man. If these women really didn't like being mistreated, they would stand up for themselves without Dr. Phil's help. Boo who I was beat when I was growing up, so thats ok, I can't help it, give me a break!!!

I do not know you or anything about you, therefor I will not presume to know what you have or have not been through in your life. I will however tell you that once you are in this horror I can my life it is not as easy as just leave. I have involved family and friends by telling them. By doing this how ever lives have been threatened. Does he mean it? I do not know for sure. My backbone has been shattered and I live in fear.  

  

If you have lived through this type of thing and got out I am proud of you. With very little to no resources it is hard to know where to turn, or how to turn. I call the police they take him away for a couple hours I am still in the house No money.  

  

Everyone always says your life is worth more than money but lets live in reality for a second ..... Money is the only way a person can get out of an abusive relationship. Hell I can not even get counseling  without money. I do not have a Dr Phil  to help me get out. Where do I go? I can not get an apartment & the shelters are full. I could sell everything we own but that takes time and I am sure he would notice things gone from the house. I have just learned to walk quietly around the eggshells and I do not get him mad. Then each night I go to bed and nothing has happened and I know I am safe for another day I say a prayer and hope the next day is not my last.  

 
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May 19, 2006, 1:58 pm PDT

05/19 My Fiancé is a Stalker

    Dr. Phil made me cry today. So many people would have just had them break up then this guy would have found someone else to do this to. But in stead Dr. Phil let him know that he was here to help him. What a wonderful man Dr. Phil is.
 
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May 19, 2006, 2:00 pm PDT

I hear you...

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I was waiting, just waiting for dr. phil to say amber was not innocent in all this. she likes the drama and fuels the fire. its so obvious.  but that not what the show was about so dr. phil was short and sweet on that topic. 

  

if some of you ladies didnt listen. dr. phil said he wasnt and evil person and can be helped. it was more about him and his problem. not the amber and their child. he cheats cause he feels worthless, hes possesive cause he is insecure. the guy was abused and if you have not been abused you cannot understand why he is who he is and why he does it.  I can relate!!!! I over came rage, abuse and all my personal problems without professional help. I was lucky to have a great GF and now wife who helped me over the years. we now have been together for 18 years and been married for 10, it all happened in the beginning. we have 2 wonderful daughters and a great life. if it was not for her I would be a totally different person. my wife is a great great woman!!!!!!  but some need more than that and need professional help. 

  

instead of focusing on amber take a listen to the real problem and have a little sympathy for an abused person who needs help. if watching that guy in pain on TV didnt move and touch you than you missed what the whole show was about. 

  

Ken- take all the help dr. phil offers you and work hard to overcome your insecurities and pain from abuse. if you beat this it will be worth it in the end and your life will be better than you could ever dream. you beat this and you will get your daughter and maybe even amber. 

  

we should focus on help and not crucifying this poor abused guy. he has problems hes not a killer and nor do I think he ever could be. been there..... you can over come. 

  

it kills me how some people only see one side. if she was in fear for her life she wouldnt be feeding the situation and she seems like a smart girl, she wouldnt even be on the show with the guy if that was the case. 

 but part of the frustration and fear (from my perspective) is that Ken will  use his unfortunate background to justify  abusing Amber. I totally agree and was disgusted too by the fact that Amber "got off' on the attention.(She's not mature enough to marry anyone) I swear, I have NEVER understood women who are secretly 'pleased' at all the 'attention' they get from men who are abusing them?????? (It just proves how much the guy 'loves them') HUH? What a twisted, sick, convoluted way of thinking!  It's really good to hear about someone who changed and made a success of his marriage! Yes, its great that you think your wife was the main reason you got better. But, you have to admit, if you hadn't been open&ready for change, it wouldn't have happened. I sincerely hope that Ken proves everyone of the doubters that we are dead wrong and makes it too, for his own sake&that of his baby girl. 
 
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May 19, 2006, 2:03 pm PDT

Wow. What arrogance!

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I think women who put up with this crap, deserve it. I mean really grow a BACKBONE! The way I was raised you do not take BS off of NO man. If these women really didn't like being mistreated, they would stand up for themselves without Dr. Phil's help. Boo who I was beat when I was growing up, so thats ok, I can't help it, give me a break!!!

These women may be STOOPID, but they don't "deserve it."  

  

If you have a fancy car and drive with it late at night thru less than great parts of town, do you "deserve it" if you are car jacked? 

  

If your mother or girlfriend walks to her car at 9 p.m. from a grocery store and gets attacked, does she "deserve it"?  

  

If you wear fancy watches and clothing and get mugged on your way into your office building, do you "deserve it?" 

  

If your sister or neice gets raped on a date with a guy when she's wearing a sexy outfit, does she "deserve it"? 

  

PLEASE!!! People make stoopid choices lots of times (it called being HUMAN), but they still don't deserve to be beaten, raped, carjacked, robbed, etc.  

  

You sound heartless, which means your advise isn't being offered to HELP people. You simply want to condemn people. Ever hear the saying, "Don't say anything if you don't have anything good to say about someone"? I think you should learn it.  

  

You know, I am a strong, independent  woman (married 16 years) who would never be hit more than once by ANY person, but I still can see how not everyone can be like I am. Some of us are raised to be weak, needy, etc. We must LEARN to like and respect ourselves enough not to put up with crappy behavior. Sadly, some of us take years learning that.  

  

Not everyone is YOU (or me). Be happy you are strong, but I am sad that you are so arrogant and not able to be compassionate. I can just see how condemning you will/would be with your own children. Very sad.  

 
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May 19, 2006, 2:04 pm PDT

Excuse me, but...

Why isn't Ken in jail to keep EVERYONE safe from the likes of someone like this?
 
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