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August 26, 2008, 9:06 pm PDT

Kids wearing clothes in their closet

Can anyone give advice on how to get your kids (10/11 yrs old) to wear the clothes in their closet, instead of wearing their same new favorite shirt all the time.  There are alot of clothes in the closet (even clothes they picked out themselves at the store), but they don't want to wear them.  They liked them when they first got it a month or two ago!  (They've maybe worn them once or twice and they still fit/still new). They only want to wear about 10% of the clothes in their closet and it's typically the brand new shirt that was just purchased for them (from other parent or relative/gift).  Therefore, the many other clothes in their closet (which have only been worn once, maybe twice), will never get worn again.

We're trying to get the kids to appreciate and be grateful for the amount of clothes they have.

 
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September 3, 2008, 7:51 am PDT

14 year olds clothes

 My son is 14 years old and a freshmen in high school.  I can't get used to him dressing in the skinny jeans, band t shirts and black all the time.  He is a good kid and doesn't get into trouble.  He also gets good grades.  I just don't understand this dressing.  His father and I are normal hard working people.  I feel like why is he doing this to us, why can't he just dress like a normal kid (blue jeans and t shirts).  I know that he has a right to be an individual but sometimes I wonder where I went wrong for him to dress like this. 
 
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September 3, 2008, 3:15 pm PDT

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 My son is 14 years old and a freshmen in high school.  I can't get used to him dressing in the skinny jeans, band t shirts and black all the time.  He is a good kid and doesn't get into trouble.  He also gets good grades.  I just don't understand this dressing.  His father and I are normal hard working people.  I feel like why is he doing this to us, why can't he just dress like a normal kid (blue jeans and t shirts).  I know that he has a right to be an individual but sometimes I wonder where I went wrong for him to dress like this. 

Well his dressing i just a way of expressing himself. He just wears what is normal within the group of friends he has. There is no going right or wrong here by you, you cant influence his clothing too much during his puberty. He dresses this way so that he can become an adult having his own opinion and style, it is important that you let him. After a while he will dress differently it's just a fase remember that. Most important thing for you to remember is that clothing doesn't change his personality, a good kid is a good kid no matter how he dresses.

 

 
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September 9, 2008, 12:49 pm PDT

tired and frustrated.

I have been with my boyfriend for 3 1/2 yrs. We have been living together for the past year on and off due to the fact he does business out of the state and is sometimes gone for a month or more at a time. We still fly back and forth spending time together when he is away. Well he has been back home now for about 2 months. I am the mother of 2 teenage daughters and one of my daughters acts as if she is annoyed by him being around. Since he has been back she does not speak to him. It is like he is invisible. It bothers me and when I ask her why she does this, she tells me she will respond to him if he talks to her first. And he is upset about the situation so he complains to me every evening on a daily basis about it, but he does not want to speak to her because he is afraid to upset her. But I have to hear the complaining every night how it is rude and disrespectful and I never taught her how to respect adults and so on. I just want peace and quiet in the home. It's making me crazy. They are both acting the same, and I feel like now instead of having 2 hard headed teenagers, I have 3. He won't speak to her, but she says if he talks to her 1st she will speak to him, but they are both hard headed and annoying. I don't know how to get these two to talk again. I see our relationship is about to end over this. I am seeking counseling personally and family counseling, which my daughter and I are going to. I think he needs to come also. Has anyone gone through this experience and can shed any light on my problem.
 
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September 12, 2008, 7:16 pm PDT

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I'm a 14 year old girl and this year ill be going into high school. My mom and dad got divorced 3-4 years ago and still agruging in court. My mom works 3 jobs 2 of them are being a secratary for our school district and the other is working at the local culvers on the weekend. For a while in the summer time she would work 12:30pm til 11:00 pm. 12:30 til 4 at her school job and then 5 til 10:00 at culvers. after running around all day geuss what she does when she gets home... cleans! even if i already cleaned it she cleans. It wouldnt be a problem to me but she yells at us when shes cleaning saying how disgusting the house is, even if I (key word I) not my little sister whos 11 but me cleaned it already! But it doesnt stop there... if we make her made she either says in a snotty voice well you have to clean this this this and this... or she says i work 3 jobs to keep this house running the least you could do is this! "mom,you dont relize that i do just as much as you do, only i dont get paid for it!!!" or she says why dont you just go live with your dad then(knowing i dont want to visit him anymore) she says that for a punishment??? The more she says it the more she makes me want to go right to my room and pack my bags. When i do do stuff for her she doesnt say thank you she doesnt do anything. I just want to say to her im not your slave nor your maid nor your assistent nor your phycalogist!!! IM YOUR DAUGHTER!!!!!!!!! i need some help what can i do to make her relive that 1 im not her slave and 2 to learn to say hey thanks for cleaning the house and mowing the lawn and taking the garbge out and the dog out!" and stop giving monica all theses things when she doesnt do anything to get it!!!!!!!!!
Hey girl, first of all divorce sucks, I know, I have been through it as well. My mom has often used the threat well why don't you just go live with you Dad. Sometimes, I want to but then I realize maybe just maybe I don't deserve the thanks I think I do. I mean for years on end kids have been doing chores for their parents and that is what is expected.We shouldn't do things for the recognition we get, we should do them because we KNOW IT HELPS THEM! Yes, you are her daughter and she knows that, but she is working very hard to support three people and you just need to do what you have been doing and put on the happiest face. Don't expect a thank you, just realize that she is your mom and for fourteen years has taken care of you and supported you, so the least you can do is help her out a little and just do it because you know that she needs help to buy you new clothes, feed you , send you to school with money for lunch, keep you warm. She loves you there is no doubt in my mind that she doesn't. Let's just not take anything for granted. Also when she gets mad at cleaning and you try to tell her you already did it maybe before she gets home, leave a little note saying I tried cleaning for you mom, I am not sure if it is how you like it, but if you give me a few tips I would like to do anything to help you. Just something sweet, and don't be around when she reads it, lay it there and then go to bed. Yanno what I mean? Well goodluck! :]
 
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September 16, 2008, 2:07 pm PDT

how will i ever survive my daughters teen years?

My daughter will be 13 in Nov. and for the past year it seems that all we do is fight (verbal only).  My husband and I make her do chores which is always a battle.  She is not allowed to walk downtown, hang out with older kids, wear makeup, wear revealing clothes, date, and she has to do her chores and homework before she can go out to play.  She feels we are way too hard on her and argues daily about this.  None of her friends have chores and they are allowed to do most of the things she is not allowed to and she feels that we are mean.  I tell her I am her mother not theirs and she has rules for a reason.  I have an illness that causes me to be in bed alot which I do feel bad about and I do need her and her brothers help quite a bit.  Lately she has had a very bad attitude, she is not listening, talking back to us, being horrible to her brother, rude to everyone, and tells us she hates us and wants to move in with my mother.  I can't deal with the yelling and arguing any longer.  Stress makes my illness worse.  We have tried to sit her down and explain why we do the things we do.  We have tried to ground her she just says she dosen't care. All that happenes is she acts up worse no matter what we try. If things are like this now what will it be like over the next few years? I am at witts end and need help,  any advise would be appreciated.

 
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September 16, 2008, 2:27 pm PDT

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My daughter will be 13 in Nov. and for the past year it seems that all we do is fight (verbal only).  My husband and I make her do chores which is always a battle.  She is not allowed to walk downtown, hang out with older kids, wear makeup, wear revealing clothes, date, and she has to do her chores and homework before she can go out to play.  She feels we are way too hard on her and argues daily about this.  None of her friends have chores and they are allowed to do most of the things she is not allowed to and she feels that we are mean.  I tell her I am her mother not theirs and she has rules for a reason.  I have an illness that causes me to be in bed alot which I do feel bad about and I do need her and her brothers help quite a bit.  Lately she has had a very bad attitude, she is not listening, talking back to us, being horrible to her brother, rude to everyone, and tells us she hates us and wants to move in with my mother.  I can't deal with the yelling and arguing any longer.  Stress makes my illness worse.  We have tried to sit her down and explain why we do the things we do.  We have tried to ground her she just says she dosen't care. All that happenes is she acts up worse no matter what we try. If things are like this now what will it be like over the next few years? I am at witts end and need help,  any advise would be appreciated.

I forgot to mention that both her and I  are very head strong and stubborn.  We both want to have it our way and have trouble giving in.
 
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September 17, 2008, 8:37 am PDT

Messy Bedroom Beyond Belief

My 14 year old daughter is a slob. She leaves her clothes all over her bedroom floor and almost never hangs them up or puts them in her drawers. She had 2 girlfriends over night and they were all walking on top of her clothes! They had to-there was no floor showing. She also has shoes, books, papers, posters, markers, make up, trash, etc. all over her bedroom floor and nothing organized. I told her I will not be buying her any more clothes,shoes, etc. if I don't see her taking care of what she has. She says ok and continues to be the same. Then one day before she knows I might be going shopping she picks it up and wants me to take her shopping for clothes. If you saw pictures of her room you would not believe it. I have read many books on teens saying to ignore their messy bedrooms. I am wondering what others think of that, and would like to hear from others what has worked for them to get their teen to keep an organized bedroom!
 
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September 21, 2008, 10:39 am PDT

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My 14 year old daughter is a slob. She leaves her clothes all over her bedroom floor and almost never hangs them up or puts them in her drawers. She had 2 girlfriends over night and they were all walking on top of her clothes! They had to-there was no floor showing. She also has shoes, books, papers, posters, markers, make up, trash, etc. all over her bedroom floor and nothing organized. I told her I will not be buying her any more clothes,shoes, etc. if I don't see her taking care of what she has. She says ok and continues to be the same. Then one day before she knows I might be going shopping she picks it up and wants me to take her shopping for clothes. If you saw pictures of her room you would not believe it. I have read many books on teens saying to ignore their messy bedrooms. I am wondering what others think of that, and would like to hear from others what has worked for them to get their teen to keep an organized bedroom!
When I was 14, my room was horrific!  I am now 31 years old and keep everything immaculate and organized.  It drives me crazy to have things not put in their place.  Back then, organization was not a priority.  I was organized when it came to school and other areas but not my room.  My 15 year old son is the same way.  As long as the issue is just mess and clutter (not destruction of property), I would not be too concerned.  Who knows, may be your teen will be super organized when she is older?
 
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September 21, 2008, 5:37 pm PDT

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My daughter will be 13 in Nov. and for the past year it seems that all we do is fight (verbal only).  My husband and I make her do chores which is always a battle.  She is not allowed to walk downtown, hang out with older kids, wear makeup, wear revealing clothes, date, and she has to do her chores and homework before she can go out to play.  She feels we are way too hard on her and argues daily about this.  None of her friends have chores and they are allowed to do most of the things she is not allowed to and she feels that we are mean.  I tell her I am her mother not theirs and she has rules for a reason.  I have an illness that causes me to be in bed alot which I do feel bad about and I do need her and her brothers help quite a bit.  Lately she has had a very bad attitude, she is not listening, talking back to us, being horrible to her brother, rude to everyone, and tells us she hates us and wants to move in with my mother.  I can't deal with the yelling and arguing any longer.  Stress makes my illness worse.  We have tried to sit her down and explain why we do the things we do.  We have tried to ground her she just says she dosen't care. All that happenes is she acts up worse no matter what we try. If things are like this now what will it be like over the next few years? I am at witts end and need help,  any advise would be appreciated.

Well I think you have two problems with her. The first is the way you communicate with each other. I wrote a message about it a few years back. maybe it will be insightfull. You both are now Against-Above while Above-together might achieve more.

 

Yes teens need authority but if you bring it in an adult way chances are they will actually listen instead of snooping behind your back. And yes if a teen really does something wrong you should indeed ground them or whatever. But if you speak to many times on a authority tone the effect will become smaller since they know that it will happen anyway. 

  

And according to the psycology a teen wants to break free from their parents and if a parent is above against (offesive) (rose of Leary) which is the normal parenting style when the child is younger (they need it at that age) a child will need to break free to become an indevidual and go opposite from their parents style and become above together in the hope that their parents wil get more balanced towards the centre of the rose. so offense leads to offense.  If you approach them in an adult manner which is somewhere near the centre of the rose they will be more open to arguments since they don't feel the need to have to break free from the parents and so they don't have to put all their energy into having to break free. (below I will explain the rose of leary a bit better.) 

 

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Rose of Leary 

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The rose of Leary consists of 2 axis --> above below and against together 

                     against  |  together 

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above                         | 

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below                         | 

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therfore there ar for combinations possible: 

above-against or offense (e.g. why did you do that?) 

below-against or defense (e.g. but I just wanted to ...) 

above-together or leading (e.g. would you do that please?) 

below-together or following (e.g. yes) 

  

a natural reaction wil always be above leads to below and vice versa. 

a natural reaction to against wil be against and together leads to together 

so offense wil lead to deffense and vice versa and leading will lead to following and vice versa. 

  

But if someone is very offensive or defensive or leading or following you might want to change that. You effectively want to change it towards the totally oppesite so that they become more towards the centre of the rosefrom offensive more towards following for example.  

  

If you want to achieve that you will need to become the same above or below cathegory but the other against together cathegory. so to change offense you will need to assume leading role. If that is in a parent teen situation it will probably clash. 

  

I hope my explenation of the rose of Leary is clear and that it explains why you should talk to teens as if they where adults 

 

On the internet more info about the rose of leary can be found. this is a translation of a dutch text book so the actual names may differ. search for Leary and it will probebly produce some results.

 

The second problem is that you are setting her up to rebel in my opinion, you may differ on my views and I would like to exchange our points of view. Even if you don't do anything with the following the above is probably true no matter the difference in our idiological views. You are forbidding all the things that teens her age find interresting. I mean clothes, make-up, go downtown, hang out wih older kids & date.

 

Now I'm not saying you should radically change overnight but you can take smaller steps if you want. Try to see her as an adult and not as a child. approaching her in that way will help you to give her more responsibility. And make it clear to her that if she can't handle it you can take it away again.

 

I suggest you rethink which battles are the battles you really want to fight. Now for the clothes I suggest you'll try to find a middle ground. I mean you both are intellegent people I guess. So I don't think you can expect her to wear a turtle neck sweater all day and she can't expect that you'll allow her to go out in a tank top not large enough to cover her bra. See what is reasonable and what you can agree on. Try to find nice clothes she can wear without being embarresed about in front of her friends while you can still live with the fact she is wearing them.

 

Make-up, well all girls want to look pretty. Make up dates back to prehistoric times where women accentuated there lips with berries to look pretty in front of men and each other. It is not a new craze, teens have been putting it on for ever (at times even men did.) Maybe you can also find a middle ground here. Like maybe when she goes out she can put on make up and for the rest she can't or maybe a fine line under the eyes.

 

Walking downtown. Well I don't know how safe your town is, but if she can't walk maybe she can go by bike or one of you can bring her. Don't deny her social life, she needs to learn skills in interacting with others and can only learn that if she can interact with peers.

 

Hanging out with older kids is also normal for her age. she looks up to them because they are her peergroup and probably the leaders in that group. THey are more or less the role models that you have been in the previous stage of her life. It is good to watch out for older kids that are way older though, but don't be too strict and judge every older kid seperately. Some 13 year old kids are worse to have your daughter hang out with then some of the 17 year olds for instance.

 

Last dating. I think that you need to know that there is a difference between dating and dating. When you think about dating you are thinking about the adult version, the courting you and your husband did before you got married. She however is 13 dating consists of a movie holding each other and kissing a bit. In this she gets experience and learns lessons so that when she is older she can enter in an adult relationship.

The later she enters the dating scene the harder it will get to catch up with her peers who can date at this age. Also it sends out the wrong signal about dating. It becomes the forbidden fruit. And we all know what happens if somehing is forbidden.

 

If you are afraid that things might happen she is not ready for (sex). then you can help her to say no. Not by teaching abstinence, abstinence only doesn't work. sex-ed consist of more. You must also talk about the nice things of sex and when you do it. And just in case teach her about contraception so that you don't have a pregnant daughter or worse.

No matter what sex-ed is more abot empowering her then anything else. She needs to be able to listen to herself and see if she is ready or not. And needs enough self confidence to be able to say no. And believe me if they are thought teens can, evn with raging hormones, be sensible and say no because it doesn't feel right.

 

 

 

Last thing I wat to say is that your sickness also affects her. It is constantly in her mind. Her acting up can also, in part, be explained by her mother being sick. Not that either one of you can do anything about it, and you defenetly shouldn't feel guilty about it. But she might just need to blow off steam every once and a while.

 

Ow and I agree she needs to finish her homework and chores before she can do anything else.

 

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