Topic : Ready for Marriage?

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May 26, 2006, 3:54 pm PDT

It doesn't have to be like that...

Quote From: bkoshy

Rule #1 Just about all men masturbate - would this be a problem for you if they did so in marriage/a relationship? - because they ALL do do it.  

Rule #2: A LOT of men (a good proportion - i'd say maybe 80% do PORN) - is this a problem for you in marriage/relationship?   

If these are going to be issues for you (as they are with a lot of women) good luck finding a man who does neither (they DON"T EXIST). Men will be men. THat's the way it is.  

I think this could be a big problem.  If you have a problem with porn, he should respect that, by not looking at porn.  I think the two of you should have a conversation about this.  This will only get worse if you don't resolve the issue.  My fiance and I have an agreement...He would not like it if I went to strip clubs and looked at porn, and vice-versa, so neither one of us do that.  We respect eachother and would not want to hurt the other, so therefore, we just don't do that stuff.  Masterbating does not have to entail pornography.
 
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May 26, 2006, 4:18 pm PDT

Ready for Marriage?

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I have been with my finace for almost two years and he asked me to marry him about 5 months ago. I am currently planning my wedding for August 12 but I am having some quesations about marrying my fiance. I am currently going through college and I just got out a little over two weeks ago. I have been takng a break and reaxing trying to recouperate from school and working, which wore me out. I also have Chroniic Fatigue Immunne Defficency Syndrom so doing all that I did really wore me out. But my fiance thinks that I have to get stuff done everyday and acts like if I dont get everything done that I am dissapointing him. He has never shown me this side before. He has became really mean, he tells me that I never do anything and other mean things like that. So I worked hare one day and got most of the things that deeded to be done done and he was nice to me that night the next day I did not cook dinner but I got another thing done and then yesterday I did all my driving errands and did not cook dinner and we got ina fight and he started being rude to because I had not cooked dinner for him. I feel like he has demandsa that I am trying to meet but am struggleing to meet them completly. But even the progress that I make he is still critical of everything that i do not do right. He is really a gret man but I do not know what to do about his expectztions.

  

  

   I think your fiance' has an "Idea" of this 1950's model woman.  She cooks she cleans, she gets all the errands from groceries to dry cleaning done, and has dinner on the table when he comes home from work at the end of the day.   Which is fine, when I am not working outside the home, I think that is how it should be.  An equal division of labor., However, if your working outside the home, and so is he-- then a 50/50 split is required to everything done.   He cannot expect you to do the dishes, work a full time Job, do the grocery shopping, and the house keeping, and the errands and cook him dinner by the time he gets home.  Never mind the kids and their needs.  

  

 Sit down and talk to him about his expectations.  It's very important to be honest, because if you go along with what he says,  and what he wants.  This is will never change.  You have to stand up and be counted , or you are doomed to his snide commentary for years to come.  

 
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May 26, 2006, 4:38 pm PDT

Ready for Marriage?

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Actually no, he isn't always nice to me the dog as more attention then I do when I tell him about that he gets furious.  He doesn't know how to show is feelings but still say that he loves me that he's showing me is way.....  I think that I see myself being 37y old with no kids and a job that I don't like i'm scared to end up alone.   I'm wondering if someone else then him will ever want me.  Thank you for your reply, I appreciate it. 

  

  

 Im 42 now... 

  

  When I was tossed aside from a guy for another girl, I was 18, and he was my whole world.  My life was over, and I thought no one would ever want me... Wow was I wrong... 3 weeks later I had a new beau,(who was great to me)  and my ex dumped that girl about 6 weeks later--then asked me out again.  Of course I said NO !  and ran screaming for my life :) 

  

  Your going to have a good time, if you let yourself, and remember that your young and have alot of options.  Since those days I've gotten my career, been around the world, and I didn't get married till I was 33 and had my child when I was 34... Trust me-- if you have a job you dont really like, go take a class in something you do-- think about changing your course to a career that pays better-- and if you feel you need more education, go for it... Get a better job, and have a great time with the money you make.   Life will happen, it's just how it is... and then this guy who is not all that nice to you now-- will be one SORRY cuss when you cross paths again 20 years from now and you've had all the adventures--- and he's  some lame alcoholic with a chip on his shoulder. 

  

 I know, because I LIVED it..... You can too... You deserve better. Do Better.... Be Better... He's not the only person in the world.... do what makes you valuable, and be valued... 

  

  

 
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May 26, 2006, 4:53 pm PDT

Ready for Marriage?

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Dear Dr. Phil,  

   

I met a wonderful man about 9 months ago, and have been in a serious relationship with him for a little over 6 months now. I am 22 and he is 37.  He has been through 2 divorces, and the last one really nailed him bad, financially and emotionally.  His divorce was finalised about a month before we started dating.  He was engaged to his last wife for 2 years, married for 5, and separated for 1 1/2 years.  So all together he was WITH her for about 7 years.  I had just gotten out of a pretty rotton relationship of 3 years before we started dating, so we were both fresh meat, as the saying goes.  Our relationship progressed quite rapidly and we fell in love within a couple of months.  We recently got an apartment together and have been living together for almost 2 months.  I am so in love with this man and every day I find myself loving him even more.  But there are a few delemas..  I am on the verge of a custody battle with my ex-boyfriend with whom I have a 22-month-old daughter.  When I was with my ex-boyfriend he was constantly verbally abusive towards me, so when I decided that I wasn't going to take the abuse anymore and ended the relationship I moved out.  I ended up staying with my parents for a few months, but they did not want my daughter living there because of certain circumstances so she could not live with me.  My ex-boyfriend has had my daughter all this time and has only allowed me to see her a hand full of times.  Because of all of this mess I told this wonderful man that I don't know if I will ever be able to trust having another child with someone.  I would love to have another child someday, especially with such a loving and caring person, but I am scared to death about it.  I know that none of this is his fault and that most relationships come with old baggage and that everyone deserves a chance at things, but I am also scared of me, because I don't know if I will ever be able to love another child as much as my first because of the separation with her.  We haven't really seriously discussed having a child yet, thought the subject has come up.  He has no children and would like to have a child before the age of 40.  I would like to get your feedback on what to do and how to heal first.  The other delema is that I would like to get married to this man someday, preferably sooner than later(before having a child).  I understand that there is no rush, and for that I am content for right now.  One thing I do know is that marriage is the last thing on this wonderful man's mind because of all of the hurt and frustration that he has been through.  I think that he feels the same way about marriage as I do about having children.  He is scared to death.  We both love eachother very much, but how do we overcome such tremendous circumstances, if you would call them circumstances?  I would really appreciate your feedback on this message, as well as anyone else who would like to give some advice.  Thank you so much for reading =)  

   

   

Joanna  

  

  

 When I was 38.. (married with a 3 year old child)  I had a 21 year old KID chasing me.  I found it ridiculous.  He was my church friends son.  It was LUDICROUS !.. and I told his parents on him.  

They sent him to Korea on a mission, and my last words to him were I hoped the girls fathers over there did not chop him into fish bait.    He had no respect for my marriage, my child, my family ties, my friendship with his parents.... and I am suspect of any person with this kind of age spread in their relationship.  It speaks to other problems.  

  

  My question is-- What does a 37 year old, twice divorced MAN, find interesting in a 22 year old KID ??   Because you are a Kid... you lack the life experience, relationship experience and general "Seeing around corners" capability that comes with being older and wiser.  So I suspect your live in boyfriend-- is just in this for ego boost of having a young trophy on his arm.   It's probably just to tick his ex- wife off.  As he progresses through life.... in 10 years he's going to be 47... and your gong to be 32... you wont catch up to him mentally for another 20 years or so from right now.  

  

  Makes me question his emotional maturity also, which might answer why he's divorced twice.  

  

 As to your child issues.  We have courts for that-- and I suspect the whole story is not being told.  

Good Luck, I suspect your going to see a repeat of your past in this one.  

    

 
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May 26, 2006, 4:58 pm PDT

If a guy like that really exists....

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Well, I've haven't done much of this message board stuff in the past and I'm not quite sure on how to get started, so I'll just throw my question out there.  I am currently in a serious, monogomous relationship with someone who couldn't be better for me (let's call him Lou).  He has all the qualities I want in a guy (funny, caring, sensitive successful, handsome, just to name a few) and doesn't have any that I don't (he doesn't smoke or drink, isn't religious, feels the same way about children, etc.).  I started dating Lou as my first serious relationship was disintigrating; at the time, I thought he would be the "rebound" guy, but I found that we have so much in common, I feel so happy when I think about us being together, and I very much look forward to spending time with him.  

   

My question is this...sometimes I wonder whether or not what I feel is "true love."  I've heard some people say that if it's right, you just know it; others say that's a load of bull and that no relationship is like the fairy tales.  However, I worry sometimes that because I have to wonder about how I feel, that it's not the right thing after all.  On the other hand, the idea of not being with Lou makes me very sad and lonely.  We have been touching upon the subject of engagement rings and I worry that we may be jumping into things too fast (our 1 year anniversary is in mid-October).  I also worry that if we do get engaged, I would feel like we HAD to stay together.  Do you see my dilemma?  All this back and forth is driving me crazy!  

   

What I am most wondering is whether or not anyone else has felt/feels this way.  If so, how did the relationship turn out?  Was/is it successful?  I suppose I'm looking for encouragement, but what I really want are people's honest and open opinions and comments about past and/or present relationships.  Any advice you could offer is greatly appreciated.  I think that going over things in my head is partly contributing to my severe anxiousness and that a different outlook on things will be a huge help.  Thanks very much to anyone who replies!!  

  

  

Hang onto him with both hands.   

 
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May 26, 2006, 5:09 pm PDT

Ready for Marriage?

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Hello.  This is my first time posting.  I have read a few messages and feel I have a few things in common with some of you.    

I have been dating a great guy, 13 years older than me.  We have been dating for 4 1/2 years and we live 500 miles apart.  We see each other about once a month give or take.  We talk on the phone many times a day, plus e-mail during the day at work.  I work for an association and he is on the board of directors.  So we also see each other 4 time a year at our conferences.  He always makes me laugh and we have so much fun together.  This is important to me since I was in a very unhappy, miserable marriage for 15 years.  I did come out of the marriage with 3 terrific boys.    

Early on in our relationship I told him I wouldn't move to where he lives because my family is here and I didn't want to move my boys away from family and I have a really good job here.  I am a single parent with no help from the ex so security is a big concern.  I have security here with my job, and my family.  Also, I grew up where he lives and I don't want to raise my boys there.  My b/f said if we are going to be together, have a life together, that he would move here.  He has said this many times.  He has a house that needs a lot of work before it can be sold.  The renovations are going VERY SLOW.  He also has a business he started 10 years ago.  It's been going well.  The other day for the first time he mentioned his business plan.  Which is he wants 60 clients and now he is at the halfway point. 

He is an avid fisherman.  He is passionate about it.  I like fishing too, not as much as he does but I go with him so we can send more time together.  Where he lives the fishing is tremendous.  Where I live it's more challenging.  There is fishing just a longer drive to get to it.     

We have talked about marriage a lot over the last 4 years.  Most times he brings it up.  We have looked at so many houses here but I feel it is a waste of time.  He will see a house on line and send me the link and it ends there.  Never talks about it or asks if I looked at it.  

I was diagnosed with breast cancer 2 1/2 years ago at the age of 39.  I went through chemo, mastectomy, reconstruction the works.  I am doing great, and cancer free.  Since this life changing experience I feel we are wasting precious time that we could be spending together. I always say you never know what's around the corner.   

Over the last year or so he has lead me to believe a ring is in the near future but no ring yet. The bigger issue is fixing up his house, the business and him moving.   He can't move until his business is at the point where he can sell it or the business has enough income to have someone run it  for him.  This could take years.   

He tells me it takes time.  He needs time to get used to the idea of moving from where he has lived for 30 years.  He says it will take some time to get used to it here and make some friends.   I totally understand that, but it has been 4 years!  And he can't make friends when he only comes up every few months.  

I know he loves me like like no other.  I have met his family and friends.  He has never brought other g/f around his family.  His friends tell me I am so good for him, that he is so happy with me.    

My feelings are changing and I am starting to resent him for taking so long and not giving me an idea of when.  I really don't see a light at the end of the tunnel and don't know if I am wasting my time.  I think about it everyday, whether to stick it out or cut my losses.  My family and friends tell me he will never move.  I don't want to believe them but I think they may be right.    

    

  One time talking to him.... ask him about his goals... 

  

  

   As he list them off.... see which number marrying you is... or where YOU fit on his list... and if you find out it's not the first thing off the top of his head.... You know where you stand.  

Go from there.  (Good for you sticking to your guns for the sake of your boys :) 

 
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May 26, 2006, 5:11 pm PDT

Ready for Marriage?

  

  

 I have a question for all you women how are living with your boyfriends... I dont care for how long.  

  

 Was it worth it ?  Do you find you have an equal partnership ?  Pros Cons ? Is/isn't what you thought it would be  ? 

  

  

 
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May 26, 2006, 5:42 pm PDT

Ready for Marriage?

Quote From: bkoshy

Rule #1 Just about all men masturbate - would this be a problem for you if they did so in marriage/a relationship? - because they ALL do do it.  

Rule #2: A LOT of men (a good proportion - i'd say maybe 80% do PORN) - is this a problem for you in marriage/relationship?   

If these are going to be issues for you (as they are with a lot of women) good luck finding a man who does neither (they DON"T EXIST). Men will be men. THat's the way it is.  

 I don't  have a problem with men masturbating, I do it myself.  I even find it very helpful if I am not in the mood one night and he is and I will watch him masturbate and most times it will turn me on enough to join in.  He found this really exciting as well that I felt this way.  I don't think I would have a problem if I was in an established trusting relationship and we decided to watch a porn flick together to spice things up a bit.  It's more a problem when it becomes something that they want to hide, exclude you from,  or worst still do instead of making love to you.  It also becomes a problem when they say they are not interested in the whole thing and you then find out that they have lied and are hiding it from you.  Why can't they be honest and up front?  And more importantly where is the discussion, understanding and compromise?  And if this can't be reached then why stay in an unhappy relationship (either of you). 

 
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May 26, 2006, 5:45 pm PDT

reply to: was it worth it?

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 I have a question for all you women how are living with your boyfriends... I dont care for how long.  

  

 Was it worth it ?  Do you find you have an equal partnership ?  Pros Cons ? Is/isn't what you thought it would be  ? 

  

  

 Well, it is worth it.  Even if it doesn't work out, at least I'll know.  I would not marry someone I didn't live with first.  Also, I would not marry until living on my own.  I have done both. I think people who miss out on these experiences don't go into marriage prepared.  Sure, you can make the argument that people change after marriage so no one really knows what they're getting, but things like: "does he snore?  is he a slob?  is he horrible with money?"  are questions that can only be answered by living with someone.

Equal partnership?  Definitely not.  I do 90% of the housework, but I prefer it that way b/c I am a perfectionist when it comes to cleaning and I'd rather do it myself.  I'd be lying if I said I wasn't exhausted, but maybe I'd be exhausted either way.

Pros: companionship, excellent conversation on a daily basis, stability, learning more about each other every day, preparing for marriage

Cons: lack of privacy, concern that he is sick of me (i.e.-bored, not attracted to me b/c he sees me too much), disagreements over decorating, not being able to have friends over that he doesn't like

It is what I thought it would be?  Well, nothing ever is.  A lot of women go into living with a man with an unrealistic notion that they can mold or change him.  Too many women think this way and it is ridiculous.  I think this belief is the root of many fights between co-habitating couples.  Living together is a great way to help you decide if the situation is something you want to sign up for for the rest of your life.
 
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May 26, 2006, 5:52 pm PDT

RUN!!!

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Ok, here's the 411 on my relationship.  We have been together for 6 years and living together for 5 of those years.  I think we are probably too comforatble in our current living arrangements.  I however am wanting to get married and have a couple of kids.  He says not to pressure him, well I think 6 years is not pressure.  I have found a few months back that he visits match.com (but is not subscribed), which this is online dating promoted thru Dr. Phil.  He was talking about guys he works with doing it and I said I bet you do to and he said no.  Well I have found on the computer that he is going to the site looking, but not talking to.  Is there any harm in that?  I have also found that he visits porn sites and has a picture of a girl in a thong on his phone......I am so disgusted with this.  I really love him and want to marry him, but I don't feel that he feels the same way or has all this other stuff that he is doing blocked me from seeing what is true?  I am sick about this and don't know what to do.
 He's not about you, and he's a coward.  He's comfortable, though, and won't leave you until he's found someone else (enter the "match.com").  You don't have to worry about marriage because he's not going to ask you.  Here's a thought:  let him read what I've written as well as the great post titled: "He's not that into you".  Read his reaction.  You'll have your answer.
 
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