Topic : 03/07 When Too Much is ... Too Much

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Created on : Friday, November 10, 2006, 09:20:25 am
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(Original Air Date: 11/15/06) Imagine discovering that your next-door neighbor owns over 200 cats. Ray and Dennis never thought their neighbor, Kristy, would let her pet collection get that big. Once friends, the three are now in a nasty and vindictive war because of the felines. Ray and Dennis say Kristy's property is one big, disgusting litter box, and they want Kristy to get rid of her cats. Kristy says she'll never part with her "cat sanctuary." Are Ray and Dennis playing dirty in order to run Kristy out of town? When is it too much, and where do you draw the line in the litter box? Then, Mike says his wife, Lori, keeps everything from used envelopes to empty food jars and medicine bottles, because she "might need it" in the future. He is ready to take desperate measures to put a stop to this. Lori says the thought of throwing her stuff out is her worst nightmare. Is Mike guilty of making nasty bribes to get his wife to change? What's really behind Lori's habit for hoarding? Tell us what you think!

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November 15, 2006, 2:25 pm PST

THAT IS SO WRONG - CATS!

Having 200 cats has so many problems where do one begin.

 

I feel bad for the neighbors because the smell MUST be soo bad it makes someone sick to their stomach and Im sure its not once in a while but almost every single day. The smell of 200 cats urinating, feces, dead cats, disease, etc, etc. must be horrific!!!

 

Not only that there is no WAY 1 person had give 200 cats the proper care and attention they require and need.

 

Its consuming her life to the point now where Im sure she never, EVER leaves the property anymore, doesnt see her family, if they haven't disowed her already. Her life is unhealthy, unbalanced and unrealistic. Shes a sick woman who needs professional help...

 

The cats need real care from real people in real families who can give each and every cat the proper care and attention it requires and deserves.

 

Im actually suprised the authorities haven't already stepped in a long time ago. Animal services or who ever it is down there that legally, maintains, and regulates the animals in that area of the US.

 

If all else fails I wouldn't be mad at the neighbors if they get so fed up one day that they take their rifles and go target shooting....

 
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November 15, 2006, 2:26 pm PST

this is the last joke i will post ,as not to be getting off topic but i thought these were relly cute and wanted to share them with every one ><

...and the angel lit the candle!


The choir director selected the 6-year-old little boy with the sweetest face for the opening scene of the play. "Now, all you have to do is, when I direct the choir to sing ...and the angel lit the candle, you come on stage and light all the candles."

"I can do it - I can do it!" the little boy said, excited to be the one picked.

Rehearsals came and went, and finally the big night arrived. The choir was in grand voice, the stage was beautifully decorated with dozens of unlit candles all around, awaiting the moment when the cute little angel made his entrance.

The director gave the downbeat, the orchestra began to play, and the choir swept into the introductory lines, ending with an expectant "...and the angel lit the candle," and everyone looked stage right for the entrance...

No little boy!

The director gave the downbeat again, and gestured for a louder line, which the choir gave him - "...and the angel lit the candle," and again, all eyes looked stage right...

No little boy!

The director, beginning to sweat, motioned with great, sweeping gestures, and the choir thundered into the line - the curtains belled slightly from the sound - "...AND THE ANGEL LIT THE CANDLE!"

And into the silence which followed came a clear, boy-soprano voice floating piercingly from stage right...

"...and the cat peed on the matches!"


 
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November 15, 2006, 2:26 pm PST

She's a bit crazy, but leave her alone

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Anyhow, from what I saw, the cats looked healthy and happy.  And 10 acres is plenty of land.  Yes, she needs to be making an effort to adopt the cats out, but to just destroy them is stupid.  I'm not a real big "cat fan", in general, but I think her hearts in the right place.  It would be a different story if the cats were sickly, like you usually see in stories like these.  As well, it shouldn't even need to be said, but I hope ALL those cats are spayed and neutered or she CANNOT call herself a rescue.
 
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November 15, 2006, 2:27 pm PST

I'm Going Through the same thing right now

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I have personal experience with this type of thing and it is difficult to handle.  It seems that there is no family involved.  But as the family of someone who insists on hoarding, it tears a family up.

There were 20 cats, and 16 BIG dogs.  My mother felt that she was the only one who could look after these animals.

My dad had built a brand new house and it was full of feces and urine.  My mother never showered, she drank too much and constantly passed out in the middle of all this mess.  My dad is 66 and has Type I Diabetes, very brittle.

One day I get a call from him that he has to leave, my mother has kicked him out because he wants to clean up the house.

It took months and alot of money to get this disaster straightened out.  It meant going to court to get my Dad sole possession of the house.  The RCMP attended one of her numerous 'suicide' attempts, when she was so drunk she didn't know what she was doing and they reported the animals to the SPCA. The house was almost condemned by the Health Board.

After the animals were gone we got her an apartment and went to the order to the house and told her that she had to move, we had to fix the house and sell it.  My dad is so depressed and tired he can't work full time any more.  (I might add they lived 45 min away in a small town). Everyone knew about the house.  It is said but I actually had to tell my own mother that I would phone the police and have her removed if she returned to the house.

I am happy to say that she and my dad are living together again in the apartment only a few streets over from me. She does have to face charges on animal cruelty, mainly because she refused to euthanize animals that were obviously in distress.

I spent all my savings to get the house in condition to sell, but we still haven't been able to sell it, so my Dad is facing a financial crises.  Everyone in the small town knows about what happened and feels that house is unsanitary even though it has totally been renovated.

I have managed to help my dad get a deal with the bank for them to finance all his debt and hold off on taking any payments on any of it and the mortgage for 6 months, with the hope that the house will sell.

My mom has quit drinking and is trying very hard to deal with the chaos she has created, but she doesn't really get what all the damage is she has done.  And believe me this blowout was just the tip of that iceberg.

This a real problem for anyone who has to deal with it, but in all honesty the only way to deal with it is head on and with as much force as possible. Because someone who hoards doesn't get that it's a problem and you can't even start to help them until you get them away from it, so that they can feel a change in their life.

I take it from your reference to the RCMP that you are from Canada. Myself being a fellow Canadian needs some advice on how to handle the same situation with my own mother.

 

My mother currently has more than 35 cats in her home (Since the last time I counted. I'm sure there is more but she won't allow me inside her home any longer.) She does not live in the country, she lives in a regular suburban neighbourhood.

 

She is showing the classic signs of being an animal hoarder. Her home is absolutely filthy, full of feces and urine. She feels that she is the only hero in this world for abandoned animals, and she lives practically in isolation. My brother, who is autistic, still lives with her, and doesn't really know what to do about the situation.

My grandmother hasn't been allowed inside my mother's house for the last 18 years, and my husband, while we were dating, was never allowed inside my mother's house. My husband and I have been together for almost 12 years, and to this day, he still hasn't seen inside the house that I grew up in.

 

My mother also drinks too much. Recently, she was ordered by her doctor to stop drinking and to attend an addicts out-patient program. She attended group sessions until she was told she'd have to switch to individual counselling because the other addicts said she smelled.

 

To date, I have told my mom how I feel about her living situation. I have taped the Oprah show segment that talked about animal hoarding and had given to her to watch. I will be doing the same thing from today's show as well.

I have done some extensive research regarding health problems that can arise when someone lives with too many animals in an isolated space. I have told her about this as well.

 

My mother has just retired and doesn't have a lot of income coming in right now. She is also facing a lot of health problems (non-cat related) that she is going to have to face 5 years from now. i.e. a neurological disorder that causes her to lose feeling in her lower extremities. Her specialist has told her the disorder is not reversible and that she will be facing life in a wheelchair down the road.

 

Any advice on how I can convince her that she needs to get her life straightened out? Not just for her now, but to make it easier for her down the road when she is in a wheelchair?

 

 

 

 

 

 
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November 15, 2006, 2:30 pm PST

environmental issues

I'm pleased that so many of the posters feel that 200 cats is too many, but I didn't see any one mention the environmental cost free roaming cats have here in the U.S.  It doesn't matter that this woman erected a fence -- that wouldn't stop a cat more than a second.  Cats are top-level predators that kill for the fun of it, even when they're not hungry.  Not only that, but feral cats are a major source of disease that not only becomes an issue for their health, but also is passed on to local wildlife as well.  They are considered an "introduced exotic".

 

Some posters here felt that since the woman has 10 acres, she should be allowed to do what she wants with her cats. Unfortunately, many pet owners feel this way, hence a huge problem getting worse.

 

Here in Florida (where the woman on the show lives), free roaming cats are out of control.  It's estimated that there are conservatively 12 million.  But only half of that number are actual feral cats -- the other half are cats that are pets but allowed to run free.  These animals -- even though they are pets -- still have a major impact on the environment.  Cats are endangering several species on either State or Federal endangered/threated lists, but it is such an emotionally-charged issue that individuals will actively block efforts to control their numbers.  Some organizations have "Trap Neuter and Release" colonies here in Florida, but their very existence encourages more people to abandon unwanted pets.

 

The days of having a few cats out in the barn to catch mice is extremely outdated, especially with free roaming populations so out-of-control.  The only way that it will change is through education.

 
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November 15, 2006, 2:32 pm PST

Too Many Cats?...YES!!!!

 I am a cat lover. I have 2 INDOOR Bengal cats and when they are outside, they are on a long lead and harness or in an outdoor enclosure. This gives them the opportunity to enjoy the outdoors without getting into danger and BOTHERING other neighbors. They are are part of the family.

Besides my personal relationship with my cats, I have worked in a vet clinic and 2 SPCA's. I have a lot of background in animal care and animal cruelty and I know all too well how situations such as hording animals plays out. The animal is always the victum regardless of the horders intentions. But lets talk specifically about cats kept in close quarters. By keeping this many cats together on one property there is the increased danger of pathogens not only affecting the cats, but also zoonotic pathogens that can be passed from cat to human.

This woman obviously has a big heart, but she is misquided. In reality, she is placing her cats, herself and neighbors in more danger by having the population of cats that she does. It's only a matter of time before her collection becomes a health issue.

I also question her 'love' for cats and other animals. If she really does love cats then she should know her cats are at a higher risk for disease, acts of cruelty by others and even premature death. She lets her cats run free; a cat at large only lives about 2 - 4 years because they are exposed to environmental elements (cars, preditors and even eachother). She says she loves animals...what about birds? With this many cats, I bet there are NO birds around her property. She must know that domestic cats are preditors just like their wild cousins and will hunt and kill anything within reason to their size. So does she love animals? With 200+ preditors on her property, I'd say NOT.

She should be finding other homes for the cats, because 200+ is TOO MANY. Is this lady crazy? No, I don't think so, but definately misguided and she has to be made to realize she is not doing everything she can for these cats. Besides being allowed to survive, they need a family, emotional love and the BEST veterinary care that can be afforded. With this woman, the cats are just existing.

I hope that she turns this obsession around for the sake of the cats that she claims to love so much.

PS  Even though she spays and neuters the cats, this does not deter them from SPRAYING. Spraying is behavioral; they mark their territory by spaying their pungent urine. A male cat's urine smells especially bad, much like a skunk...not to metnion the smell of cats' feces. Even on 10 acres the amount of feces being deposited outside on a daily basis would eventually start smelling very bad becuase cats are carnivores and we all know what decomposed, rotting meat smells like...I agree that if the wind is blowing in the right direction, neighbors will not be pleases with the smells.
 
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November 15, 2006, 2:32 pm PST

11/15 When Too Much is ... Too Much

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I can relate to the husband who wants to divorce his wife because of the mess in their home.  My father has been diagnosed with OCD and hoards everything!  He is 80 years old and my mother is in her 70's and she is to the point that in her last years she wanted everything he had gone!  So over a two month period we went through his things and recycled 5 pickup loads of stuff, called 1800GOTJUNK and had 2.5 truck loads equalling 9TONS of stuff hauled away and 1 ton of iron to the iron mill and 5 pickup loads hauled away by the family too!  It was exhausting on many levels.  It was very difficult for my father and we still haven't gotten all of HIS stuff removed yet!

 

He won't get help and is watching the program right now and wants my Mom to watch it to understand what he is all about and accept it.

 

He, of course, doesn't want help because he thinks we are all wrong!

 

I have alot of things to get rid of.  I have hundreds of Beanie Baby's.  Christmas stuff  for 5 trees.

Regular stuffed animals.  My problem is I can not do it all myself.  I  have medical problems.

The Beanie Baby's I would like to donate them to whoever would like to have them.  But with be on disibility  I can't afford to have them shipped.  Have no idea how much they weigh.

So if anyone can help me with finding homes for the Beanies they most certainly can have them.

 

 

 

 
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November 15, 2006, 2:34 pm PST

much too much!!!!

Wow... I love ANIMALS.. I have two cats and two dogs, and an assortment of fish and a dwarf hamster.  And that is a huge handful for me.  To give them all the love and attention that they deserve.  She has an issue.  I often say to my partner that I want another dog.. or another cat... but we made an agreement or I would have a huge farm of animals.  I cannot do what my heart says I should do.  She needs to see reason and logic and what posesses her to take in so many animals.  Unconditional love.  What is she afraid of in getting close to people.  Animals have always been easier to love.  And why didn't Dr. Phil address this issue as well?  You missed the mark on that one Dr. Phil.  She brings the animals closer so she doesn't have to deal with a real relationship.  Any relationship.  Because the cats will always love her.. that is the beauty and the charm of having pets.   I hope she gets some help for the cats.. and for her
 
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November 15, 2006, 2:35 pm PST

Out Building for my Cats

Here is our cat building from the outside.  We truly enjoy it and it was well worth the work!

Maybe some one can build something like this for the lady that loves her cats!

Thanks!

 
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November 15, 2006, 2:41 pm PST

too much!!!

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 I seem to be having difficulting posting, 'puter issues...
Anyhow, from what I saw, the cats looked healthy and happy.  And 10 acres is plenty of land.  Yes, she needs to be making an effort to adopt the cats out, but to just destroy them is stupid.  I'm not a real big "cat fan", in general, but I think her hearts in the right place.  It would be a different story if the cats were sickly, like you usually see in stories like these.  As well, it shouldn't even need to be said, but I hope ALL those cats are spayed and neutered or she CANNOT call herself a rescue.
10 acres or not, 200 cats is TOO MUCH.. it doesn't matter what kind of shape the cats are in.. it is simply too much to handle, and it is smelly, and unsanitary..and I adore animals. I have two cats and two dogs and that is a full time job to do properly... to love them, and care for them, and be there for them.. the 200 cats are not getting the care they deserve, it is an impossibility
 
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