Topic : 03/07 When Too Much is ... Too Much

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(Original Air Date: 11/15/06) Imagine discovering that your next-door neighbor owns over 200 cats. Ray and Dennis never thought their neighbor, Kristy, would let her pet collection get that big. Once friends, the three are now in a nasty and vindictive war because of the felines. Ray and Dennis say Kristy's property is one big, disgusting litter box, and they want Kristy to get rid of her cats. Kristy says she'll never part with her "cat sanctuary." Are Ray and Dennis playing dirty in order to run Kristy out of town? When is it too much, and where do you draw the line in the litter box? Then, Mike says his wife, Lori, keeps everything from used envelopes to empty food jars and medicine bottles, because she "might need it" in the future. He is ready to take desperate measures to put a stop to this. Lori says the thought of throwing her stuff out is her worst nightmare. Is Mike guilty of making nasty bribes to get his wife to change? What's really behind Lori's habit for hoarding? Tell us what you think!

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November 15, 2006, 8:46 pm PST

Has anyone had success overcoming hoarding?

If so, what did you do to overcome it?  How long did it take you?  Did you use a particular therapy technique?  What are the new techniques the psychologist mentioned on the show today?

 

I have done lots of personal therapy & recovery over the years, and still stay defeated by this clutter issue.  Any sharing from those with a successful overcoming experience would be appreciated. 

 

Thanks,

Susan

Dallas, TX

 

 
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November 15, 2006, 9:01 pm PST

I'm with ya!

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 I have heard that some of the guests go to the message boards to read what the posters say about them.  I just wanted Lori to know if she ever read this that she came across to me as fun and real 9if she cares). 
If I were one of her friends - I would not care one lick if her house looks bad on TV.  Her husband is lucky to have her and she is lucky to be getting help.

I too thought Lori was adorable, and seemed like someone who would be a good friend.  I'm a clutterer, and my friends tell me they wouldn't mind coming to my house even if it is a horrid mess, because they say they come to see me, not my house, and they love me.  I'm so filled with shame about my home, though, I cannot have them over. 

 

Lori, I would love to hear about your recovery progress if you ever care to post.

 

Warm regards,

Susan

Dallas, TX

 

 
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November 15, 2006, 9:03 pm PST

cat lady and junk lady

Well I am a cat lover and do have a lot of cats but if some one wants one then they are more then welcome to take it as long as it is loved and does not just drop it off in the street to fend for them self.  I know that they can do it I seen it but still.  The lady that you had on the show is really out of control and needs help and if I could get a number to call in my area to be able to give my cats to that will not put them to sleep so if you know a number to call in suwannee county i will call them.

 

now the lady on the pack rat my mother law is like that but not as bad so i know how things are.

 
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November 15, 2006, 9:20 pm PST

Love, Hoarding & Logic

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In June, my mother died.  She was a hoarder and lived with me for 21 years.  Her hoarding caused a great deal of difficulty in my marriage, as my husband grew very weary of the constant mess. 

 

My husband and I finally asked my mother to leave as we tried for years to clean up her living environment.  When we couldn't get a handle on it, we had to take the next step. 

 

My mother was diagnosed with Pulmonary Fibrosis at the beginning of this year.  And although that condition is not caused from an unclean environment, the allergy caused by the dust created an environment that became hazardous to my mother's health.  My mother's "things" were so precious to her that she didn't want to leave them behind.  As she shuffled her way through her stuff, preparing to move, her allergy to the dust increased. 

 

My mother became very sick the beginning of June, and died from lung complications at the end of June.  My family has mourned greatly for her loss. 

 

As my daughters and I were left cleaning her environment, we all experienced breathing issues.  Mine being the worst, sending me to the same pulmonologist that my mother went to.  As I suffered and struggled to breathe, I wondered if my mother would have changed in order to save me from this heartache.  I knew she didn't love her life more than her "stuff", but I wonder if she would have loved my life enough to change. 

 

My mother died because her lungs were compromised by her disease, and she did not have a fair chance to fight the acute situation that was caused from her cleaning efforts.  After her death, I had to struggle to heal, although my healthy lungs allowed me to overcome the dusty conditions 

 

My mother had just turned 71 two weeks before she died.  She died too young.  It is difficult for my family to come to terms with the fact that my mother's stuff was important enough to her that she would die for it. 

 

People do not realize that hoarding presents breathing problems for those who are exposed to such excess.  Whether it is cats...or stuff.  The dust, dirt and hair is excessive and lungs can only handle so much of all this.

 

My mother's pulmonologist says that breathing such dust is like smoking a pack of cigarettes a day.  She also says that family members who are left cleaning up such mess will suffer breathing issues until the mess is gone. 

 

My family cries over this.  It is just plain sad. 

 

Life is meant to have a degree of balance.  And with hoarding...balance is absent. 

Dear gymfriend,

 

I'm sorry for your loss.  As a hoarder myself, I just want to tell you that hoarding like this is a compulsion.  That means there is no logical equation that works, such as "I love my daughter and care for her health, therefore I will no longer hoard."  Also, the opposite sentence is not true, "I love my things more than I love my life or my family." 

 

I have tried many times to change my behaviors with such logical equations.  To someone who does not have the skewed compulsive thinking or brain wiring or whatever that comes with hoarding, the choice to love things or to love people makes sense, and is probably an easy one to make.

 

 But to someone with a hoarding issue, no amount of thinking about someone you love or something you enjoy or the benefits of a clean house seems to overcome the compulsion to hoard.  When I attempt to take action or make a decision to take action, the fear and anxiety and apathy that come up freeze me to the sofa.  The shame of friends or strangers seeing the mess I have created keeps me from accepting help from anyone.  It's a real mind-bind thing that goes on. 

 

So if it's any comfort to you, consider that your mother was dealing with a mental health issue in her hoarding, not a question of whether she valued her family.

 

May you and your family have all the love and support you need as you go through this time of grieving.

 

Susan

Dallas, TX

 

 
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November 15, 2006, 9:44 pm PST

The Cat Lady

It may seem out of control to have that many cats but she does have 10 acres.  Her will and commitment to the cats does not need to be judged by anybody.  If that is what she wants in her life, then let her.  As long as she is taking care of them and providing them proper shelter, food, vaccines, medical attention and most of all spaying and nuetering them, then leave her alone.  If the neighbors cannot hang with it, then maybe they should move.  Her life is not out of balance if this is what her passion is.  I did not feel that she was doing this for notarity, she just loves cats.  I love cats myself but am not in the position to dedicate my life and financial resources to that extent.  All animals are Gods creatures that many have to rely on humans to take care of them.  Our responsibility as humans is to take care of them, nurture them and be responsible pet owners.  I see her as a person who has taken on the responsibility of all the other people who have so selfishley abandoned their pet or did not spay or nueter her pet.  Our society needs more education and help with the explosion of the animal population.  What makes us any better than any other creatures God created?   To love animals shows a human has a real heart.  For the people in the world who feel they are superior to animals and that they are "just animals", shame on you!  We need to have more facilities to help decrease the population of cats and that should not happen through destroying them.  It should be a law that all cats and dogs should be spayed/nuetered.  That is an unfortunate alternative, but it would help get the over population under control and cause a lot less pain and suffering to the helpless creatures.  Who has ever proven that an animal is less worthy to have the rights that humans have?  Nobody really knows what goes on in an animals mind.  It is obvious to me that they live on emotions just as we do.  As far as her cats being happy, I am sure they are.  As long as they are being cared for.  Yes, it is true they need love and attention but also realize they are an independent creature and have plenty of other cats to communicate with.  If I could, I would be there to help her out.  Have a heart people.  Leave her alone and let her live her dream.  The ground absorbs the animal waste, get over it and think about what you could do in you community to help at least one homeless cat or other pet.  They count on us.....

Kristi has my support and I pray for her and her plight to help save the helpless creatures.

 
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November 15, 2006, 9:54 pm PST

Your Right!

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I agree, the antifreeze was not just  accidently "left out" in a large open bowl - not even a container with a lid! Who has that laying around???? and if they really do leave stuff like that around, they must be "messy and umkempt" as they said she lived like. The neighbors are bullies and want her out. Poor lady , I feel for her. She is onl y taking care of the unwanted and doing a good job too.
I totally agree with your opinion.  I wish their were more people in this world who were as committed to her to save those poor animals lives.  Yes, once again the cats are the victims......
 
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November 15, 2006, 10:14 pm PST

11/15 When Too Much is ... Too Much

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It may seem out of control to have that many cats but she does have 10 acres.  Her will and commitment to the cats does not need to be judged by anybody.  If that is what she wants in her life, then let her.  As long as she is taking care of them and providing them proper shelter, food, vaccines, medical attention and most of all spaying and nuetering them, then leave her alone.  If the neighbors cannot hang with it, then maybe they should move.  Her life is not out of balance if this is what her passion is.  I did not feel that she was doing this for notarity, she just loves cats.  I love cats myself but am not in the position to dedicate my life and financial resources to that extent.  All animals are Gods creatures that many have to rely on humans to take care of them.  Our responsibility as humans is to take care of them, nurture them and be responsible pet owners.  I see her as a person who has taken on the responsibility of all the other people who have so selfishley abandoned their pet or did not spay or nueter her pet.  Our society needs more education and help with the explosion of the animal population.  What makes us any better than any other creatures God created?   To love animals shows a human has a real heart.  For the people in the world who feel they are superior to animals and that they are "just animals", shame on you!  We need to have more facilities to help decrease the population of cats and that should not happen through destroying them.  It should be a law that all cats and dogs should be spayed/nuetered.  That is an unfortunate alternative, but it would help get the over population under control and cause a lot less pain and suffering to the helpless creatures.  Who has ever proven that an animal is less worthy to have the rights that humans have?  Nobody really knows what goes on in an animals mind.  It is obvious to me that they live on emotions just as we do.  As far as her cats being happy, I am sure they are.  As long as they are being cared for.  Yes, it is true they need love and attention but also realize they are an independent creature and have plenty of other cats to communicate with.  If I could, I would be there to help her out.  Have a heart people.  Leave her alone and let her live her dream.  The ground absorbs the animal waste, get over it and think about what you could do in you community to help at least one homeless cat or other pet.  They count on us.....

Kristi has my support and I pray for her and her plight to help save the helpless creatures.

I agree with you 100%. She should be able to take care of those cats if she wasn't to. Atleast they are given a place to live. The more she takes in the less that has to be put down. But if the law has anything to do with it they will be put down if they take them from her. Poor lady. Trying to take care of what others don't want. I would help to if I had the money and time. I don't. She is very brave to take on this kind of responsiblity and less selfish. Instead of spending money on herself she spends it on cats. That is very sweet. She has my support. Someone needs to stand up for these animals and I am glad she is doing this.
 
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November 15, 2006, 10:43 pm PST

11/15 When Too Much is ... Too Much

I'm dealing with a huge stray cat problem as well, thanks to a couple of elderly people who put out food (but allow them to roam, unfixed).  Each spring & fall, I break out the livetraps and do my level best to eliminate as many of the "breeders" as possible by hauling them all to the nearest humane society since we do not have animal control in my area.   One bite or scratch and I'm placing myself at real risk for rabies and lord knows what other kinds of nasty things these varmints carry...  They're dangerous to handle (feral & every bit as nasty as a bobcat), carry all kinds of diseases, and unfortunately most (if not all) of them are euth'd as they're wild and unadoptable.  

 

It's not a fun job, but otherwise my yard becomes a fetid litterbox, and I get to deal with caterwauling, roadkilled kittens & toms spraying every surface of my house (including backing up to my doors & windows and spraying INside- yuk)...not to mention the predation on area wildlife.  Even my garage is a minefield- and have you ever have a tomcat get inside your car and spray?  Yeah- THAT smell comes out real easy...

 

Here's the bottom line:  The neighbors have every right to remove nuisances from their property- and this includes unwanted tresspassing animals. 

 

If the cat hoarder was truly responsible, she'd make EVERY effort to ensure 100% that each and every animal is on HER property at all times.   Once they start leaving her property and begin free-roaming the neighborhood, all bets are off. 

 
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November 15, 2006, 11:38 pm PST

yeah the guy on stage knew all about antifreeze and animals

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There are several different issues going on here.

She has 200 cats.  WOW I admire people with that much dedication.  Their hearts are beautiful and she is a LOVELY, WONDERFUL PERSON. Mother Teresa spent her life caring for orphans in Calcutta and was handed a Nobel Peace Prize  It is people like them that make the world a better place  That said.  She may have issues.  To let that consume you to the point here you do not see your family or have any social life... well that may not be healthy.  But however, that is her choice.

 

Now those neighbors... Im sorry, they came off as money hungry, lying, degenerate lowlives.  Seriously, "Well there was some antifreeze left out in my house.. i dunno if the cats drank it."  Yeah right.  Noone in their right mind would just leave antifreeze out, esecially if they know that there are animals roaming the area.  Unless you WANT the animals to drink it.  I doubt that they actually drank it.  I belive that they might have been poisoned.  But only they know.  If they did may God have mercy on them.

 

Any person who would go thru the process of killing living things out of spite, has more serious issues than a person caring for 200 cats.  All they care about is their property value....moeny money money.  At least someone has their priorities straight.

it even tells you on the jug it coms in not to leave a open container becouse animals will drink it,for any one who never tasted antifreez it taste sweet and animals love sweets,that guy on stage knew that as well, but what he probley didnt know was headmitted to leaving it out and that is a offence that can have his butt jailed for,there are infact laws on the books that make that a crime and he could possabily serve up to 5 years in prison for that act, and thats not even to mention what the e-p-a will do to him for letting that get into the ground  wow and now dr phil has edevince on tape  lol, yeah i think if i were kristy i would be trying to get a copy of this show and go see me a judge in florida,and as for the property value going down well that was a crook of crap too,what proof did he offer other than his word, and from what he and his buddie were trying to pass off as just extending his property line well i could see they were infact just doing everything they could to make kristys life a living hell, ill tell you what will make property value go down its having people like kristy is having to deal with as neighbors living in your hood, no one wants to live near his or his buddys kind,i would take the 200 cats over both of those guys as neighbors any day of the week hands down,
 
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November 15, 2006, 11:53 pm PST

i beg your differ what erra are you living in

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I'm dealing with a huge stray cat problem as well, thanks to a couple of elderly people who put out food (but allow them to roam, unfixed).  Each spring & fall, I break out the livetraps and do my level best to eliminate as many of the "breeders" as possible by hauling them all to the nearest humane society since we do not have animal control in my area.   One bite or scratch and I'm placing myself at real risk for rabies and lord knows what other kinds of nasty things these varmints carry...  They're dangerous to handle (feral & every bit as nasty as a bobcat), carry all kinds of diseases, and unfortunately most (if not all) of them are euth'd as they're wild and unadoptable.  

 

It's not a fun job, but otherwise my yard becomes a fetid litterbox, and I get to deal with caterwauling, roadkilled kittens & toms spraying every surface of my house (including backing up to my doors & windows and spraying INside- yuk)...not to mention the predation on area wildlife.  Even my garage is a minefield- and have you ever have a tomcat get inside your car and spray?  Yeah- THAT smell comes out real easy...

 

Here's the bottom line:  The neighbors have every right to remove nuisances from their property- and this includes unwanted tresspassing animals. 

 

If the cat hoarder was truly responsible, she'd make EVERY effort to ensure 100% that each and every animal is on HER property at all times.   Once they start leaving her property and begin free-roaming the neighborhood, all bets are off. 

rabies from a cat come on get real now if a animal has rabies you wont have to worry about trapping it, lol  it will trap you and also there are laws that say you do not have the wright to remove your neighbors animals from your property you have animal controll do it of you have the police go and inform the owner there animal has strayed, get real now, if you are so scared of getting something from a cat you wouldnt even be putting your self in harms wat to start with, your just trying to ease your guilty sole for getting rid of a elderly couples cats, thats down rite mean shame on you,!!!!! rabies  hahahahahaha get real
 
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