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(Original Air Date: 02/13/07) In a marriage, an affair is the ultimate betrayal. But imagine finding out that your husband was cheating on you with your sister! Bettie says her husband, John, destroyed her trust when he had a six-month relationship with her sister, Molly -- an affair that occurred in Bettie’s own house. John says his act of infidelity happened nearly two years ago, and he’s over it, but he doesn’t understand why Bettie just can’t let it go. Then Molly, who has been watching backstage, joins her sister and brother-in-law. Find out why Molly says John is not the man Bettie thinks he is. Plus, Bettie’s mom, Virginia, overheard a secret phone call between Molly and John and says she doesn’t know why Bettie married John in the first place. Will Bettie’s lingering feelings of betrayal and mistrust destroy her relationship with her sister? Will she be able to forgive her husband and move past his affair? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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February 14, 2007, 8:27 pm PST

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I am the husband from this show, And I did come across as someone that did not care. well I do care deeply. As my kids say That is just your facial expressions. I am told by my wife that she did not see it as uncaring. She knows that is how I handle tough spots, I laugh, smurk and smile that is just me and that does not make me uncaring. Did I wrong my wife. OH boy did I, big time. And I take every waking monent trying to make it right. AND I WILL.  Let me say that one more time I WILL MAKE IT RIGHT. As all of you do I do not understand how my wife can forgive me but not her sister. And we have talked about this. This thing between bettie and molly has gone on way before I came a long. And when I hear if for my wife I can undestand that choice. Was it Molly's fault, was it mine. NO its was both of ours. And I take full responsibility for my actions.The hardest part is just seeing the pain in my wifes eyes. How do I see myself in this, Well an ass, lair scum selfish snake. But that is not me. I am a good husband and good father. For a time in my life I forgot what mattered the most to me. To be blunt I thought with my little head instead of the big head. (HOW SELFISH THAT WAS OF ME) The love my wife and I share goes deep and together we will right the wrongs I have done to her. I will not rest untill she is hole again. I married my best friend and for a time I through that away. But that is coming back for both of us. We have a very open family and we all share are feelings on this and we all come to the same point. We will survive together. Will I ever do this to my wife again. Of coruse I am going to say NO WAY. But them are just words only my actions will speek for themself. I know up to thsi point thats not saying much. But my wife knows the good in my heart and because of that she fights her pain to stay them the man she loves. I went on Dr. Phil to find the tools to help me fix what I broke, And with the tools I am learning I will be able to make her hole again.  My wife is the strongest person I know and On this valentines day Honey I just want to say that i am truly sorry for the pain I have caused you. You did not disserve this. You are the turly the best person I have ever meet. I am thankful for the love you have for me. And I will spend the rest of my life my making you feel as you are the only woman in the world. HAPPY VALENTINES DAY BETTIE I LOVE YOU

 

 Speaking for myself, I give you a lot of credit for going on the show.  Most people in your situation wouldn't do that.  It was quite brave.  I also think it was proof that you really love Bettie & want to save your marriage.

You're right.  Men are trained from a young age to not show how they feel, so a man's face won't always show how he truly feels.  We women feel things deeply and we usually show it. 

I'm praying for you, Bettie & your family.  Keep working at it, even when you feel like giving up.  It's worth it.


 
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February 14, 2007, 8:35 pm PST

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February 14, 2007, 8:41 pm PST

Many don't agree with you and me...

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You can forgive but you can' forget .

 

 

Although many people don't view it this way, I believe it does happen that you may forgive but may never forget.

 

 
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February 15, 2007, 8:46 am PST

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do not agree. she does not seem to think what she did was wrong. She did not sincerely apologize to her sister. if she was truly truly sorry, she would have been grateful for the chance to beg her sister for fogiveness on national tv to show how truly sorry and contrite she is.

 

 

Molly will never think she did something wrong.  She doens't care about any one or any thing.  She seems so cold  and heart less.  Who does she think she is?  If there is a problem in her sisters marriage, what gives her any persmission to sleep with her brother in law?  She does not deserve compassion.  She needs to disappear from her sisters life so that everyone can move on.
 
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February 15, 2007, 9:58 am PST

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I am the husband from this show, And I did come across as someone that did not care. well I do care deeply. As my kids say That is just your facial expressions. I am told by my wife that she did not see it as uncaring. She knows that is how I handle tough spots, I laugh, smurk and smile that is just me and that does not make me uncaring. Did I wrong my wife. OH boy did I, big time. And I take every waking monent trying to make it right. AND I WILL.  Let me say that one more time I WILL MAKE IT RIGHT. As all of you do I do not understand how my wife can forgive me but not her sister. And we have talked about this. This thing between bettie and molly has gone on way before I came a long. And when I hear if for my wife I can undestand that choice. Was it Molly's fault, was it mine. NO its was both of ours. And I take full responsibility for my actions.The hardest part is just seeing the pain in my wifes eyes. How do I see myself in this, Well an ass, lair scum selfish snake. But that is not me. I am a good husband and good father. For a time in my life I forgot what mattered the most to me. To be blunt I thought with my little head instead of the big head. (HOW SELFISH THAT WAS OF ME) The love my wife and I share goes deep and together we will right the wrongs I have done to her. I will not rest untill she is hole again. I married my best friend and for a time I through that away. But that is coming back for both of us. We have a very open family and we all share are feelings on this and we all come to the same point. We will survive together. Will I ever do this to my wife again. Of coruse I am going to say NO WAY. But them are just words only my actions will speek for themself. I know up to thsi point thats not saying much. But my wife knows the good in my heart and because of that she fights her pain to stay them the man she loves. I went on Dr. Phil to find the tools to help me fix what I broke, And with the tools I am learning I will be able to make her hole again.  My wife is the strongest person I know and On this valentines day Honey I just want to say that i am truly sorry for the pain I have caused you. You did not disserve this. You are the turly the best person I have ever meet. I am thankful for the love you have for me. And I will spend the rest of my life my making you feel as you are the only woman in the world. HAPPY VALENTINES DAY BETTIE I LOVE YOU

 

Although my heart truly goes out to Bettie and all my best wishes go with her---it still pains me to hear you speak of yourself as "an ass, liar, scum, etc"

I believe it was Sister Prejean who said" we are more than our worst actions"---and I believe that is true---of you too.  Your infidelity was an assault on the natural dignity of your wife and your marriage---but that is surely not the sum total of your character?  Otherwise, what would there be for Bettie to love?

I thought your willingness to expose yourself to scrutiny and judgement on national tv took some courage and was  a promising sign that you are willing to make amends---serious and heartfelt amends.  You are so right when you say it will be your "actions" that matter and not just the words (although words have their place also).  I hope you will go the distance, no matter what the fate of your relationship is.  Bettie deserves as much.

I would also like to offer as a thought---I hope you will use the tools you are learning to make YOURSELF whole again.  Really, only in seeking to find and heal the brokenness in you that led you to such a place and to take such actions as to see the pain in your wife's eyes will you be able to find peace.   You deserve that too   ; )

My best wishes to both of you! 

 

 
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February 15, 2007, 10:02 am PST

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Hi I am new also. I also think your are right-on when you say one can forgive, but may not forget.

An emotional trauma like infidelity, I think would leave so many pictures in ones mind that getting past that alone would be a challenge. Again hello, and you are not invisible, I felt the same way, invisible. Then  I saw your post and knew I was not the only new board member that thought I was posting incorrectly, or something.

 
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February 15, 2007, 10:34 am PST

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May I asked what finally brought you to the point of forgiveness with your husband? Are you still together and how do you keep from falling back on that incident at times? That is where I seem to be stuck. Originally when it all happened we lived right across the street from my sister, but we have since moved out of the town, but not real far. We all work in the same town and sadly his last stunt was going on during the work day hours. He would go so far as to go to a pay phone and call her so I wouldn't find out. This went on for months behind my back (before we moved), and at that same time I had also found out that for those same months he was also supporting her financially. He said he felt guilty because her kids were doing without. What about ours?  Please help if you have any suggestions. Even if we don't stay together I want to move past this. I don't talk much with my sister these days, but for the sake of all the kids we are civil. 

Finally, the last thing I want to do is carry this with me to the point that I would make another man suffer for my husbands ( & my ) mistakes. Thanks.

I guess there isn't any one thing that brought me to a place of forgiveness.  In our situation my sister lived about 4 hours away and she started to come to visit quite often, and since I have been away from home since I was almost 14, I thought it was wonderful to reconnect., little did I know that she was coming to see my husband.  Don't get me wrong, I am not just blaming her, my husband was every bit as much at fault and encouraged her to come around.  I just found it so offensive that a sister could cross that line of trust with her own flesh and blood.  I suspected at the time they were carrying on that something was up, but I didn't realize how far it had gone, that they had met in a hotel for a weekend and had sex.  I confronted my husband at that time and he said that he was involved with her but it hadn't progressed to sex yet.  (liar) But he wanted our marriage and me and he would stop all contact with her.  I thought that was great and I looked at my own part in the marriage break down and we both decided at that point to recommit and work on our relationship.  I put my all into him and just fell in love all over again.  (not knowing at this point he had actually slept with her)  It was 2 years later, after I thought we were doing very well that I found out about the full fledged affair, from my sister's then husband.  I was so devastated I can't begin to put into words the pain and rage I felt.  I felt so used and tricked etc. It was awful.  At that point I was ready to leave him and he decided to go for counselling.  I went too but not at the same time.  We slowly worked on our marriage and all the lies etc.  and after about 3 years, (I know, a long time) I finally started, for my own sake to move past all the crap and let some of it go.  I decided right from the day I found out that I was not going to turn into one of those nasty bitter old hags who was only out for revenge.  Believe me, it was not easy and it didn't happen overnight but I can say that 6 years later I am at peace with the whole thing.  I think the keys for me were one, that he accepted responsibility and didn't blame anyone else for his actions, and two I was willing to see that I had a part in where our marriage had gotten to.  I will never excuse his behaviors, they were unacceptable, period, but I have been able to see a bit, where he was coming from, because of his upbringing, insecurites etc. 

 

THe hurt for me now is that I have lost 3 of my sisters, I have 4, as a direct result of the affair.  I have tried and tried to reach out to them and heal all of this mess but they are angry at my husband and won't forgive him for messing up our family so much.  I am slowly realizing that I want my first priority to be my marriage so I have to just let my family go.  But it's not easy because I have been on my own (due to problems with my stepfather etc.) for a very long time.  I think because of my low self esteem I was a target for a man like my husband used to be, I no longer allow that kind of abuse in my life. 

 

My kids are all grown up and they had a very hard time accepting my husband back into their lives after this. I have 2 kids from a previous marriage and  he has 3, we also have one between us.  She was still at home during this whole thing.   But as I have said, thankfully, he has worked very hard to change and there has been a lot of healing. 

 

Hang in there, it does get better.  And I am not saying you should stay with him, you have to decide for yourself and do what is best for you.  And just remember you are NOT to blame here.  THe counsellor said something to me which I have never forgotten.  He said, you are both 100% responsible for where your marriage has gotten to, but he is 100% responsible for his behaviors in choosing to deal with the marriage problems by blaming me and going outside of our marriage and having an affair. 

 

It's rough, but keep talking.  I am happy to share any of the insights I have learned with you. If any little bit can help ease the pain I am thankful.  No one understands it unless they have been through the double betrayal of 2 people they love. 

 

Hope this helps a bit. 

 
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February 15, 2007, 10:42 am PST

02/13 Secret Love

Bettie won't divorce her husband because she doesn't want her sister to get him - it's a simple as that. Her marriage has become a battle and she doesn't want to lose. She is so focused on winning this battle she has lost sight of what would be best for her. This is much more about her relationship with her sister than with her husband. The best revenge she could get would be to let her sister have her husband.
 
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February 15, 2007, 10:46 am PST

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I am the husband from this show, And I did come across as someone that did not care. well I do care deeply. As my kids say That is just your facial expressions. I am told by my wife that she did not see it as uncaring. She knows that is how I handle tough spots, I laugh, smurk and smile that is just me and that does not make me uncaring. Did I wrong my wife. OH boy did I, big time. And I take every waking monent trying to make it right. AND I WILL.  Let me say that one more time I WILL MAKE IT RIGHT. As all of you do I do not understand how my wife can forgive me but not her sister. And we have talked about this. This thing between bettie and molly has gone on way before I came a long. And when I hear if for my wife I can undestand that choice. Was it Molly's fault, was it mine. NO its was both of ours. And I take full responsibility for my actions.The hardest part is just seeing the pain in my wifes eyes. How do I see myself in this, Well an ass, lair scum selfish snake. But that is not me. I am a good husband and good father. For a time in my life I forgot what mattered the most to me. To be blunt I thought with my little head instead of the big head. (HOW SELFISH THAT WAS OF ME) The love my wife and I share goes deep and together we will right the wrongs I have done to her. I will not rest untill she is hole again. I married my best friend and for a time I through that away. But that is coming back for both of us. We have a very open family and we all share are feelings on this and we all come to the same point. We will survive together. Will I ever do this to my wife again. Of coruse I am going to say NO WAY. But them are just words only my actions will speek for themself. I know up to thsi point thats not saying much. But my wife knows the good in my heart and because of that she fights her pain to stay them the man she loves. I went on Dr. Phil to find the tools to help me fix what I broke, And with the tools I am learning I will be able to make her hole again.  My wife is the strongest person I know and On this valentines day Honey I just want to say that i am truly sorry for the pain I have caused you. You did not disserve this. You are the turly the best person I have ever meet. I am thankful for the love you have for me. And I will spend the rest of my life my making you feel as you are the only woman in the world. HAPPY VALENTINES DAY BETTIE I LOVE YOU

 

I just want to say you are lucky to have a wife like Bettie.To be honest if I were in her situation I wouldn't have even looked back at you. From what you wrote i just want to give out a suggestion. Don't talk to your wife about her situation with her sister. That is not up to you to fix.  Again if i were in her shoes I wouldn't want my husband bringing up the women he cheated on me with. If she ever wants to talk about it she will come to you. Just worry about keeping your promise about making it all right with her and cherish her. Its sad that you had to cheat to realize what a special person your wife is. But you got a second chance for a reason appreciate that as much as you can. Good luck.
 
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February 15, 2007, 11:28 am PST

Still lying, though

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I am the husband from this show, And I did come across as someone that did not care. well I do care deeply. As my kids say That is just your facial expressions. I am told by my wife that she did not see it as uncaring. She knows that is how I handle tough spots, I laugh, smurk and smile that is just me and that does not make me uncaring. Did I wrong my wife. OH boy did I, big time. And I take every waking monent trying to make it right. AND I WILL.  Let me say that one more time I WILL MAKE IT RIGHT. As all of you do I do not understand how my wife can forgive me but not her sister. And we have talked about this. This thing between bettie and molly has gone on way before I came a long. And when I hear if for my wife I can undestand that choice. Was it Molly's fault, was it mine. NO its was both of ours. And I take full responsibility for my actions.The hardest part is just seeing the pain in my wifes eyes. How do I see myself in this, Well an ass, lair scum selfish snake. But that is not me. I am a good husband and good father. For a time in my life I forgot what mattered the most to me. To be blunt I thought with my little head instead of the big head. (HOW SELFISH THAT WAS OF ME) The love my wife and I share goes deep and together we will right the wrongs I have done to her. I will not rest untill she is hole again. I married my best friend and for a time I through that away. But that is coming back for both of us. We have a very open family and we all share are feelings on this and we all come to the same point. We will survive together. Will I ever do this to my wife again. Of coruse I am going to say NO WAY. But them are just words only my actions will speek for themself. I know up to thsi point thats not saying much. But my wife knows the good in my heart and because of that she fights her pain to stay them the man she loves. I went on Dr. Phil to find the tools to help me fix what I broke, And with the tools I am learning I will be able to make her hole again.  My wife is the strongest person I know and On this valentines day Honey I just want to say that i am truly sorry for the pain I have caused you. You did not disserve this. You are the turly the best person I have ever meet. I am thankful for the love you have for me. And I will spend the rest of my life my making you feel as you are the only woman in the world. HAPPY VALENTINES DAY BETTIE I LOVE YOU

 

I was sorry to see that you apparently didn't come totally clean on the show. I think you will wish that you had just put it all out on the table at once on the show. Your mother-in-law said she heard you tell your sister-in-law that you love her, and your sister-in-law said that you did. It doesn't seem that either of them have any motive to lie about it at this point, as you do. Your denial was just not credible. Why not just come clean and prove that you really are sincere? Your denial just proved that you are not committed to beginning a new, honest relationship with your wife. She knows you lied about it.
 
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