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Topic : 07/27 Adoptions Scams, Part 2

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Created on : Thursday, February 15, 2007, 04:45:52 pm
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(Original Air Date: 02/23) The story of Marie, Crissy and Jen continues. These three potential adoptive mothers were scammed by Melissa, a woman who claimed to be pregnant with a child meant for them. When the baby turned out to be a fraud, they say they and several others were left with nothing but a handful of lies and a nursery full of heartache. Melissa agreed to meet Crissy face to face, but can Dr. Phil convince her to give the same satisfaction to her other two accusers? Follow what happens when Melissa succumbs to an emotional meltdown. Plus, having been badly burned in their efforts to adopt, what’s next for Marie, Crissy and Jen? Can they ever build enough trust to enter the adoption arena again? Hear what Dr. Phil thinks they should do. Plus, find out what happened to another couple desperate to adopt after the Dr. Phil show gave their efforts a little boost. Join the discussion!

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February 23, 2007, 10:15 am PST

MY COUSIN WONT GIVE ME BACK MY BABY

SHES GOING TO ADOPT MY NEPHEW I AM RAISING HIS 4 SISTERS FROM BIRTH THE OLDEST IS 12 YOUNGEST 6 BUT I WANT TO ADOPT MY NEPHEW TO KEEP ALL THE CHILDREN TOGETHER AND BECOUSE HE WAS PLACED IN HER HOME BY SOCIAL SERVICES SHE GETS TO ADOPT HIM SHE CAN NOT HAVE KIDS AND HAS A HISTORY AS BEING BY POLAR WELL SHE PROMIST NOT TO KEEP MY NEPHEW BUT SHE HAS DECIDED TO KEEP HIM BECOUSE SHE SAYA SHE IS VERRY ATTACHED TO HIM HES BEEN WITH HER FOR 8 MONTHS THE ADOPTION HAS NOT STARTED YET BUT SOO I WISH I NEW WHO TO TALK TO THAT CAN HELP ME GET MY NEPHEW HERE WITH ME HE WAS LIVING IN MY HOME BUT IN AN EMERGENCY WAS PLACED WITH MY COUSIN SHE CUT OFF ALL TIES WITH MY FAMILY THIS STORY ABOUT ADOPTIONS JUST REMINDED ME OF HER  AND HER SNEEKY WAYS WHAT PEOPLE WOULD DO JUST TO GET A BABY  WHATS THIS WORLD COMING TO WITH THIS MESSED UP SYSTEME SHE GETS TO KEEEP THE BABY BECOUSE ONCE THE CHILD IS PLACED AND UNDER 3 ODOPTION IS OPEN I DONT THINK PEOPLE REALIZE HOW CROOKED THE SYSTEME IS NOW I KNOW BE VERRY CARE FULL WHO YOU TRUST WITH YOUR CHILDREN SHES THE KIND OF KID NAPER THATS ALOWED TO KID NAP SCARRY

 
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February 23, 2007, 10:42 am PST

Unethical adoptions!

None of this would have happened if adoptions in america were ethical!  Trying to find a pregnant women off of message boards online and establishing a relationship pre-birth is totally unethical. What if she had been pregnant and decide to parent her baby ( which is the best possible outcome ) Would the prospective adoptive parents then still be allowed to outlash at her? Would it still be seen as a negetive "failed adoption?"                          I sympathize with these women who want to raise a child, but they should be going about it ethically and not selfishly! Society needs to step out and see the bigger picture that the adoption industry in america is desperate for adoption reform! It needs reform TODAY!     Private adoption agencies should be outlawed, pre-birth arrangements should be illegal just like in Australia!          
 
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February 23, 2007, 10:47 am PST

02/23 Adoptions Scams, Part 2

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The babie's should have to stay with the mother even if she is a drug user?  How about if there is already 5 or more siblings in the family and the new baby is doomed to poverty.  You're  right it is much better for the baby to stay with the biological parent and be raised on public assistance with no hope of getting an education or enjoying all the things that make childhood fun like, soccer, family vacations, new bikes etc.   A child is always better off in a stable, financially secure 2 parent home.  But stick your head back in the sand, I would hate for your ears to get cold.

woah, are you serious?  Adoption doesn't guarantee that this will happen? poverty is NEVER a reason to have to surrender your flesh and blood to strangers.   Money doesn't make you a good parent!! Are you kidding me? You've fallend for the adoption propoganda too. There there its okay, take a deep breath you're a victim of a scam as well, but this time its been done by the adoption industry.     Adoption does NOT guarantee the child will be raised in a two parent family. It does NOT guarantee that the child will be raised out of poverty, and get to play after school sports.   That is the most ridiculous reason I have heard today to surrender your child. UNBELIEVABLE.
 
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February 23, 2007, 10:48 am PST

02/23 Adoptions Scams, Part 2

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SHES GOING TO ADOPT MY NEPHEW I AM RAISING HIS 4 SISTERS FROM BIRTH THE OLDEST IS 12 YOUNGEST 6 BUT I WANT TO ADOPT MY NEPHEW TO KEEP ALL THE CHILDREN TOGETHER AND BECOUSE HE WAS PLACED IN HER HOME BY SOCIAL SERVICES SHE GETS TO ADOPT HIM SHE CAN NOT HAVE KIDS AND HAS A HISTORY AS BEING BY POLAR WELL SHE PROMIST NOT TO KEEP MY NEPHEW BUT SHE HAS DECIDED TO KEEP HIM BECOUSE SHE SAYA SHE IS VERRY ATTACHED TO HIM HES BEEN WITH HER FOR 8 MONTHS THE ADOPTION HAS NOT STARTED YET BUT SOO I WISH I NEW WHO TO TALK TO THAT CAN HELP ME GET MY NEPHEW HERE WITH ME HE WAS LIVING IN MY HOME BUT IN AN EMERGENCY WAS PLACED WITH MY COUSIN SHE CUT OFF ALL TIES WITH MY FAMILY THIS STORY ABOUT ADOPTIONS JUST REMINDED ME OF HER  AND HER SNEEKY WAYS WHAT PEOPLE WOULD DO JUST TO GET A BABY  WHATS THIS WORLD COMING TO WITH THIS MESSED UP SYSTEME SHE GETS TO KEEEP THE BABY BECOUSE ONCE THE CHILD IS PLACED AND UNDER 3 ODOPTION IS OPEN I DONT THINK PEOPLE REALIZE HOW CROOKED THE SYSTEME IS NOW I KNOW BE VERRY CARE FULL WHO YOU TRUST WITH YOUR CHILDREN SHES THE KIND OF KID NAPER THATS ALOWED TO KID NAP SCARRY

Contact the social services in your area and find out who the caseworker is for your newphew and step up to them and volunteer for him to be in your care as well.
 
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February 23, 2007, 10:50 am PST

02/23 Adoptions Scams, Part 2

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I have read your popst over and over just so I can understand what you are trying to say...

 

I am adopted and my birth mother was too young to be able to care for me in the way I deserved,   I am so grateful to her because now I have a wonderful life and wonderful parents that raised me and loved me.  What Melissa did was terrible and she deserves to be punished and selling and buying babies is even worse ...but legal adoption? I hope you never experience the pain of not being able to have children, I always knew I was adopted and I have never been affected by it, I know my background I am very lucky!!!

You may know your adoption reflected by your adoptive parents. Until you know your natural parents, have your records and have personally heard about your birth and surrender through them, chances are you do  not really know what happened to you. Non id is often a lie.
 
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February 23, 2007, 11:05 am PST

Melissa SHOULD be prosecuted!

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Are these women going to prosecute Melissa?  Conning someone is bad enough, but conning women who want children?  That's just wrong...Conners should be behind bars with the rest of society's scum.
I think the real reason she wouldn't talk to Jen and Marie yesterday was because she was afraid by actually coming face to face with them, they might be moved to have something done to her (legally) She kept saying that she had read what Marie had to say about her. I think she felt safe talking to Chrissie.
 

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February 23, 2007, 11:29 am PST

Adoption scam - Melissa

Watched both shows.  Seemed as though Melissa had "convenient denial", stated she did not know "why" she committed fraud and hurt these women - well I'm guessing it was for the money.  Although Dr. Phil generously offered Melissa help/therapy, I feel that first and foremost, she needs to be accountable!  There seems to be too much emphasis these days on "why" people commit crimes - i.e. bad childhood, teased at school, etc., this often puts more emphasis on the purpertrator rather than the victim.
 
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February 23, 2007, 12:01 pm PST

So True

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I think the real reason she wouldn't talk to Jen and Marie yesterday was because she was afraid by actually coming face to face with them, they might be moved to have something done to her (legally) She kept saying that she had read what Marie had to say about her. I think she felt safe talking to Chrissie.

I am a member of the adoption community so I have a couple different takes on this situation..

 

I am a Birthmother in an open adoption. The child I placed is 4 years old. I spoke with "hundreds" of potential adopting parents before deciding on the couple that I chose. My conversations were both via phone and the internet. Never in a million years did I mislead, lie, or keep those I was not interested in-- hanging on a thread of lies and deception. I was offered money in my dealings and conversations with potential adopting parents. One couple offered me $10,000 to have my baby-- and basically disappear. Other offers were a car, rent paid, etc., etc.

 

I think the offers go both ways. I happened to want an open adoption, and the only way to know if I could get that was to meet with my child's potential family. The adoption laws are so tainted. We live in a day in age where anyone can be anyone on the internet. Marie, Jen, and Crissy should hold some kind of accountability for not ending all ties when they found little lies. Conversations over the internet are not reliable. They should have done investigations on who and where Melissa came from before they got emotionally involved. I am not saying what Melissa did was right. I am just saying that it goes both ways.

 

I think Melissa deserves a life of jail and to endure the type of Hell that she put these women through. She needs serious psychological help because what she did was nothing short of psychotic. She showed no remorse for the pain and anguish she put these women through.

 

As a Birthmother I am getting so sick and tired of Birthmothers getting stereotyped because a few make the headlines. What about the potential Adopting parents? I know that the offers I received while choosing an adoption plan for my child were totally illegal.

 

Just my thoughts.

 

 
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February 23, 2007, 12:01 pm PST

02/23 Adoptions Scams, Part 2

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None of this would have happened if adoptions in america were ethical!  Trying to find a pregnant women off of message boards online and establishing a relationship pre-birth is totally unethical. What if she had been pregnant and decide to parent her baby ( which is the best possible outcome ) Would the prospective adoptive parents then still be allowed to outlash at her? Would it still be seen as a negetive "failed adoption?"                          I sympathize with these women who want to raise a child, but they should be going about it ethically and not selfishly! Society needs to step out and see the bigger picture that the adoption industry in america is desperate for adoption reform! It needs reform TODAY!     Private adoption agencies should be outlawed, pre-birth arrangements should be illegal just like in Australia!          
OK  Then tell up what is an ethical adoption??
 
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February 23, 2007, 12:07 pm PST

02/23 Adoptions Scams, Part 2

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woah, are you serious?  Adoption doesn't guarantee that this will happen? poverty is NEVER a reason to have to surrender your flesh and blood to strangers.   Money doesn't make you a good parent!! Are you kidding me? You've fallend for the adoption propoganda too. There there its okay, take a deep breath you're a victim of a scam as well, but this time its been done by the adoption industry.     Adoption does NOT guarantee the child will be raised in a two parent family. It does NOT guarantee that the child will be raised out of poverty, and get to play after school sports.   That is the most ridiculous reason I have heard today to surrender your child. UNBELIEVABLE.
How about wanting the child to have the best life possible that you know you could never give them? is that a good enough reason?
 
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