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(Original Air Date: 04/23/07) No matter how much we try to avoid it, conflict is a part of life. But what happens when an entire family points the finger at one person as the source of the chaos? Carrie’s family calls her a drama queen who tries to destroy their relationships. Her sister, Miranda, says Carrie called their mother trash and wants their father to divorce her. Her brother, Meikle, says Carrie is upset because she didn’t approve of his fiancée and now refuses to attend his wedding. Carrie admits that she can be attracted to conflict, but says she feels isolated by her family. Then, Carrie’s parents, LaRon and Susan, confront her about trying to break up their marriage. Carrie hasn’t spoken to her mom in over a month, and they face off onstage. Plus, Carrie reveals a shocking secret that she’s kept from her family for years. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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April 25, 2007, 4:24 am PDT

Poor souls

A most interesting & revealing show! It could have been scripted by the demon, "Anti-Mormon"... Oh that it was... Unfortunately, it is all too real in many LDS 'homes-of-hell'. 

 

A far cry from "Love At Home" and "I Am A Child Of God" sentimentalism the Mormon church uses to entice the unwary into a sham that is a numbers game; a body count between Missions & Missionaries of how many bagged between Reporting Dates, &/or Steward-ship meetings. Honest Mormons will know  what i'm referring to...

 

Ironically, the son had just returned from HIS "Mission" of spreading Mormon "truth"... Wonder how he described HIS Mormon-family? Honestly, in denial or in oblivian of the Mormon-mess he is a part of???

 

Is the Mormon church all bad? Of course not! They provide a community in which many are happy. So be it. Every one is deserving of their comfort place of choice. But as someone has previously said--denied by another apologist--Mormon indocrtrination, when it works, can be most debilitating.

 

 

To deviate from Mormon Doctrine is to be disallowed entry into "THE TEMPLE," the only place  where one can really be close to "God". The "great-outdoors" is for 'gentiles'... The "Temple" is for "God's" chosen people.

 

This family represents two generations (maybe several) exposed to Mormon homilies, Ordinances, Rituals, Sacraments, Home/Visiting Teachers, Services, Classes for kids/youth/adults--the Full-Mormon-Monty... To what end???

 

In the conditioned Mormon-mind there is hardly any choice. I hope readers will understand how powerful that indocrination CAN be to some. To others it becomes obvious LDSism is simply another Church with a unique "Plan of Salvation". 

 

A "Plan" it is. "Salvation" it isn't.  Fore warned is fore armed...

 

When one encounters nice Mormons, and there are lots of them, consider their niceness might be attributed to the good-family they come from. More than to the church they belong to... 

 

Luv an' light...   
 
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April 25, 2007, 7:44 am PDT

come again? did you say 'Church of Morons?''

OMG that has to be the absolutes most pathetic & nauseating show EVERRRR!!! on Dr Phil.  Let's not drag stuff like this out and disgust the rest of us! Those people ought to be thrown into shark-infested waters & learn some REAL life-survival skills!! I'll bet any survivors will end up appreciating each other's differences. How sappy & spineless this show was. The only one with an ounce of backbone was the most passively undramatic "troublemaker". All I can say about families is, it's really not the end of the world if siblings go their separate ways as adults. Take my word for it. I've been much healthier with the extended family I adopted throughout my adult life. WHY would anyone think they HAD TO keep a family together??? Maybe they truly have nothing to offer each other except grief & toxicity. Go for the Gold of Human Character!!! (And that may just be elsewhere... it's certainly wherever YOU are if you honestly carry that principle in your heart & live it in your own life).
 
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April 25, 2007, 7:45 am PDT

Miranda

What struck me the most was that the whole family, with possibly the exception of the father, were so histrionic and narcissistic. The one that showed this the most was Miranda, who  is articulate, but was obviously putting on a shallow act of concern. At one point she was playing to the audience about her weight and the fact that she had 4 children. She then paused and looked to the audience as if waiting for a response from them. When none was forthcoming she went on speaking. The discussin was to a great degree not about Carrie but about themselves and what they wanted Carrie to be, as if that would clear up all the problems the family had. . I also believe there is something we were not told about Carrie and sickness in childhood. Her mother made an allusion to medication and the "ICU" but it was never enlarged upon. This family needs a great deal of help, each and every one of them, so they can stop blaming the scapegoat but see what they are doing to contribute the chaos.
 
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April 25, 2007, 8:37 am PDT

To a once lit candle placed in darkness.

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A most interesting & revealing show! It could have been scripted by the demon, "Anti-Mormon"... Oh that it was... Unfortunately, it is all too real in many LDS 'homes-of-hell'. 

 

A far cry from "Love At Home" and "I Am A Child Of God" sentimentalism the Mormon church uses to entice the unwary into a sham that is a numbers game; a body count between Missions & Missionaries of how many bagged between Reporting Dates, &/or Steward-ship meetings. Honest Mormons will know  what i'm referring to...

 

Ironically, the son had just returned from HIS "Mission" of spreading Mormon "truth"... Wonder how he described HIS Mormon-family? Honestly, in denial or in oblivian of the Mormon-mess he is a part of???

 

Is the Mormon church all bad? Of course not! They provide a community in which many are happy. So be it. Every one is deserving of their comfort place of choice. But as someone has previously said--denied by another apologist--Mormon indocrtrination, when it works, can be most debilitating.

 

 

To deviate from Mormon Doctrine is to be disallowed entry into "THE TEMPLE," the only place  where one can really be close to "God". The "great-outdoors" is for 'gentiles'... The "Temple" is for "God's" chosen people.

 

This family represents two generations (maybe several) exposed to Mormon homilies, Ordinances, Rituals, Sacraments, Home/Visiting Teachers, Services, Classes for kids/youth/adults--the Full-Mormon-Monty... To what end???

 

In the conditioned Mormon-mind there is hardly any choice. I hope readers will understand how powerful that indocrination CAN be to some. To others it becomes obvious LDSism is simply another Church with a unique "Plan of Salvation". 

 

A "Plan" it is. "Salvation" it isn't.  Fore warned is fore armed...

 

When one encounters nice Mormons, and there are lots of them, consider their niceness might be attributed to the good-family they come from. More than to the church they belong to... 

 

Luv an' light...   

This sounds much like some one who came from a family as bad off or mayby worse than the family being discussed. The family on the program wasn't living the gospel, forsaking humility, meekness, forgiveness, charity, etc..., and this persons comments were of a spirit of outrage and blame, as if coming from one who may have failed to be able to live the doctrine and principles of Christ who then turns vehemently against such. This is the common crusade of an apostate spirit. At least this family still has hope, whereas this person is on the course of denying his or her self that beautiful gift of repentence offered to all though the Atoning sacrifice of Christ.
 
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April 25, 2007, 10:21 am PDT

04/23 Family Drama

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I haven't read a lot of the posts, as I'm in a flood zone and the electricity has recently been restored (yesterday), but from what I saw yesterday, Carrie is a complete and total bitch, and I couldn't believe Dr. Phil bought into her lies. She is totally manipulative, as witness her stating that her father should get rid of her mother. I think she should be cut off, because she causes nothing but pain, and she obviously enjoys it.
Now, that's not a nice thing to say. I believe that Carrie has a lot of problems beneath her, I I think that she should be comforted in the way that people are supposed to be. She doesn't need a lot of bad comments from people like you.
 
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April 25, 2007, 10:50 am PDT

Help Needed

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  Carrie and her family are indeed in need of help.But can you seriously believe that "SHE",is the victim?The whole family are victims,but Carrie uses all this to her advantage.I watched the show and immediately knew that she would have it come off to her benefit.Why did she only tell her Father that she had an eating disorder?He isn't much better than her,letting a child use you like that.The whole family lives off of the drama that each one of them causes.

  But she is a piece of work.She knew that when she came on the show she would make it all about her.She lives for it,she thrives from it and the award goes to........Wonder if she thought about a career in movies? I just hope the whole family gets the help each of them deserves and really,really need....Don't even get me started on the Mother....she gets an award too....It's just sad that these people use each other and never truly know the meaning of "FAMILY"....

I agree with you that the whole family needs help. Unfortunately, because everybody in this family thinks it's Carrie's fault only, they might disagree with us and won't get any help whatsoever. What I've noticed in the discussions is that most people are comparing this family to someone else's or their own. We do forget that even though our stories might be similar, they are different big time. In my situation, I know my dad will never admit he needs help. He is pretty sure that the only problem is me. I am too independent. However, it might be different for Carrie's family.

 

The only reason I feel for Carrie is because I've been or am through very similar situation. My mom would make a victim of herself just like Carrie's mom does, but they forgot what they've put  us through before we made their lives miserable.

 

Tatyana

 

P.S. I did not really made my mom's life miserable as she thinks. I still love her very much and respect with all my heart.

 
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April 25, 2007, 11:37 am PDT

Carrie had a LARGE audience!!

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I agree with you that the whole family needs help. Unfortunately, because everybody in this family thinks it's Carrie's fault only, they might disagree with us and won't get any help whatsoever. What I've noticed in the discussions is that most people are comparing this family to someone else's or their own. We do forget that even though our stories might be similar, they are different big time. In my situation, I know my dad will never admit he needs help. He is pretty sure that the only problem is me. I am too independent. However, it might be different for Carrie's family.

 

The only reason I feel for Carrie is because I've been or am through very similar situation. My mom would make a victim of herself just like Carrie's mom does, but they forgot what they've put  us through before we made their lives miserable.

 

Tatyana

 

P.S. I did not really made my mom's life miserable as she thinks. I still love her very much and respect with all my heart.

The whole family needs help! She chose to tell her secret eating disorder on TV! The family was in tears(as she knew thay would be) she darts to her sister"Why didn't you help me". It's always everyone else's fault. I have twin sister just like carrie,and nolonger have contact with her.I truely hope Dr. Phil repeats this show soon, watch the little smirks Carrie gives!!

Very sad.
 
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April 25, 2007, 11:50 am PDT

Ain't that the truth

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The "Carrie Drama" goes on.  What doesn't compute for me is the fact that her Dad is the only one she could talk to but she doesn't tell him about her "problem" until 4-5 weeks before the show.  And she has had this problem for 5 years?  No way!  I think this was a way to really get the family to fall at her feet and grovel for forgiveness in the way they treated her.  It is like...see!  I really have a problem all brought on by each family member and now you should all feel really bad!  She has an attention deficit problem.  When the attention isn't on her, she gets the attention back, good or bad.

With the mood swings, it sounds more like diet pills and not looking at the family when they were on stage was the only way she could keep the glee in her eyes from being seen by them.   

You hit the nail on the head, how true, how true!! Very sad!
 
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April 25, 2007, 11:56 am PDT

GOD Bless

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Sometimes babes, even challenged ones, have more sense than the rest of us.  But, I , like her, felt something was just skewed with everybody, & I do mean eveyrbody.  Tell you daughter Hi--, "Hi Sarah!" , &, of course, I think Dr. PHil is pretty good, too, obviously. 

GOD bless you and your daughter.

She can't be fooled by bad acting!

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April 25, 2007, 12:08 pm PDT

TMI on the Moron church

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This sounds much like some one who came from a family as bad off or mayby worse than the family being discussed. The family on the program wasn't living the gospel, forsaking humility, meekness, forgiveness, charity, etc..., and this persons comments were of a spirit of outrage and blame, as if coming from one who may have failed to be able to live the doctrine and principles of Christ who then turns vehemently against such. This is the common crusade of an apostate spirit. At least this family still has hope, whereas this person is on the course of denying his or her self that beautiful gift of repentence offered to all though the Atoning sacrifice of Christ.
These people don't need religion to understand & resolve their "illness"; they need common sense and a grasp of the obvious. ANY religion should enhance what is really so very BASIC. Explaining church dogma & doctirine can only illustrate the mass hypnotism of this "leadership", preying on families... and it's way too much info that isn't even the least bit interesting to most. My experience with organized religion is that everything is fine when everything is fine, but the minute a real-life crisis occurs, the dogma & critics & judges & divisions & separations all rise up, not for true healing and demonstration of compassion, but to defend the dogma and ostracize the "sinners"... I've seen firsthand how religious beliefs can keep many families and individuals in deep denial of reality. My own son wouldn't even be alive today if I hadn't gone against my husband's religious beliefs years ago by taking him to a doctor, who rushed him into surgery as his appendix had burst hours earlier. He was opposed to it because HE WAS STUCK in his religion!!
 
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