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Topic : 08/16 Family Drama

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Created on : Friday, April 20, 2007, 02:35:21 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/23/07) No matter how much we try to avoid it, conflict is a part of life. But what happens when an entire family points the finger at one person as the source of the chaos? Carrie’s family calls her a drama queen who tries to destroy their relationships. Her sister, Miranda, says Carrie called their mother trash and wants their father to divorce her. Her brother, Meikle, says Carrie is upset because she didn’t approve of his fiancée and now refuses to attend his wedding. Carrie admits that she can be attracted to conflict, but says she feels isolated by her family. Then, Carrie’s parents, LaRon and Susan, confront her about trying to break up their marriage. Carrie hasn’t spoken to her mom in over a month, and they face off onstage. Plus, Carrie reveals a shocking secret that she’s kept from her family for years. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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April 24, 2007, 5:19 am PDT

I think it's possible in some families that kids are not allowed to mature emotionally.

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WOW...all I can say about THIS family is that they sure put the "FUN" in dysfunction.  Everyone wants to be the victim....it was exhausting and frustrating to watch.  Muzzles would have been a good thing.

 

As far as I can tell, there are no victims in that family.  But there's a lot of victimizers.  For goodness sake, the children (and I use the term loosely) are adults now.  Grow up.  Of course they have no role models to learn from....mom acts like an adolescent too and dad is an enabler. 

 

Here's my advice....own your actions.  Get on with life.  Grow up.  Enjoy adult relationships with your family.  Wow...how simple is that?  Hmmm.....I should have my own talk show.  :))

I think that in this family, Carrie decided to grow up and it caused problems.
 
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April 24, 2007, 5:23 am PDT

I think that for some parents,allowing thier kids to grow up emotionally might be considered a little frightening.

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They whole family is rather annoying, actually. So far everyone but the father has been bawling over piddly, stupid stuff. All of them need to grow up, but particularly Carrie.
I think some families are afraid to let thier children grow emotionally because it might promote brain activity that is not acceptable.
 
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April 24, 2007, 5:27 am PDT

I think Carrie has a hard time conforming and maybe won't admit it herself.

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 Man, when Dr. Phil said at the end of the show that he needed to sort out the various agendas that were going on before he could provide a recommendation - I thought, "somebody say 'Amen'".  I think these people are beyond even Dr. Phil.  A.) Totally boring.  B.) Whiny.  C.) Get a life.  The parents act like helpless 5 year-olds and the kids except for Carrie act like they're brain dead.  As annoying as Carrie was, I almost don't blame her for doing what she's doing.  Geez...what a waste of an hour!
Carrie seems like a square peg trying to fit into a round hole. Carrie, remember square pegs go into square holes.
 
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April 24, 2007, 5:38 am PDT

Dr Phil thinks it is OK to slam mom

Dr Phil did not address the fact that the daughter was trying to get her dad to get rid of her mom. The mom looks at her daughters e-mail and that makes it OK? As a mother, I will admit if I thought my daughter was on drugs or in trouble, I may go this far if I was really worried. My daughter is only 13, so I have not had to worry much, but the teen years with drugs, AIDS, other STDs, date rape drugs, teen suicide, I would consider it if I though she was in trouble. This does not excuse the daughters behavior. He uses the daughters behavior to tease us into watching, then lets her off the hook because she was fat as a kid and her mother violated her privacy. The daughter did not have to answer for any of her behavior.
 
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April 24, 2007, 5:40 am PDT

My sentiments exactly!

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Carrie, I have experienced your same situation, religion, depression, and all. I got through it by distancing myself from my family and going through weekly therapy for 10 years. It will take a long time for you to separate out who you truly are and the expectations you grew up with from the church and your family. My relationship with my family is limited to seeing them one holiday a year and birthday cards, but I am happy. I started my own family and my friends are an extension of that. I have my own view of who I am and my purpose on earth that is not tied to religion and cannot be threatened to be taken away.
It makes me very angry to see your mother and sisters sobbing their crocodile tears to make a good impression on their church members. I don't think they meant what they said. But someday if they also go through their own individual therapy they might actually understand deeper and feel what they say, and maybe even find compassion for others. But that's not your problem. You've got to realize that you do not have to agree to be a part of that drama. That is one of the benefits of being an adult.
I hope you find health and happiness in your adult life. You are not alone. And you can build an adult relationship with your family, but only do it on your own terms.
That is how I perceived the situation in Carrie's family. Good for you for being able to live your OWN life on your own terms.
 
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April 24, 2007, 5:45 am PDT

Thank you!

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Firstly to Carrie, I empathize with how hard it is when your family members decide "you" are the problem, & set out to make fixing you the answer to any and all perceived Family problems.  It is true that the scapegoat role is well understood by many who watched today's show.  I too add my  understanding & awareness of this personally. 

 

However, I do not see myself as a victim.  My family & I had many issues that were not able to be resolved safely for me at the time, & I now live in America.  I miss them, or maybe the "perfect or idealistic view of families that Mormons have at times"  (That's right, I am a Mormon too!  ; ) 

 

I was pressured into living my life by my Mother & sisters into a way that they chose for me.  There were constant labels, accusations, and betrayals that I was given to deal with.  I was left with a choice to protect myself, which meant leaving my country & moving to the US.  I had not intended to do this.  Like Carrie's family, mine were divided by excessive opinions, accusations & judgments that caused a lot of harm to my character, reputation & profession.

 

Several years have passed since I moved here, & the same "Family Dramas" are still there, but I refuse to get pulled back into it.  I have made many efforts to help establish dialogs of communication that would help us as a family to start authentically communicating together and not against each other. Sadly, my Mother & sisters declined, & did choose this as an option. 

 

I saw similarities in myself, & my family; &  in the family on the show today where everyone had their own agenda, & Carrie has been the virtual "target" of a lot of anger, judgment & animosity, that does not seem to be helpful or encouraging in an loving or healthy relationship.  I can see there are valid points to each family member's position & feelings, but their approaches are not conducive to peaceful reconciliation.

 

To Carrie I say this:  "Honey, I have been where you are right now.  I hope & pray that through your bravery in using your voice to speak out, & ask for the help that "YOU" need, (not what your family chooses for you) that you will indeed be afforded the privilege and great power that can help you be more in control of your life, & clear about who you are, & build your identity on healthy principles, that you choose for yourself. 

 

I also wish your family every success in the road ahead for each of you, and when the time is right for you all to come together in supervised therapy, I hope you will all be in a space where your agendas are focused more on "Seeking first to understand, & then to be understood"  Empathy & finely tuned listening skills along with Dr Phil's awesome advice of learning to communicate together without fighting, yet be able to have the skills necessary to resolve conflicts & hurt peacefully & amicably is crucial.

 

I am not an expert.  I am still healing & will be for the rest of my life.  My choices to keep me safe & help me be free to live my life as authentically as I can, was to be physically separated from my Mother & sisters, so they would no longer be able to interfere & sabotage the wonderful things in my life.  It is a rich life in comparison to what it was before I came to the US, & I am SO not done..... I love my Mother & sisters for the good people they are.  I applaud their achievements in life & feel sincere happiness for their contentments in life.  I just know in my heart of hearts that it is not meant to be that we live in close proximity, & I have given that burden up to the Lord.  It is incredibly lighter & I am free to pursue anything I want.

 

May we all seek to be our best, keep striving to be better people without the perfection & family drama "pitfalls", & to do so with gratitude for the abundant blessings that surround us daily, if only we are willing to look around, look up & give thanks every day... thanks for allowing me to share this...

Your post is so well written. And you speak from experience. Well done!
 
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April 24, 2007, 5:51 am PDT

The mom...

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All these comments of "there is a drama queen in every family" bothers me a little. There isn't one in my family, and I wonder if this mentality is why I have been assigned as such even though I haven't caused "drama" in at least 8 years...It doesn't matter how calm I become, how patient I have learned to be, how introverted I have become, I am still labeled by people who "love" me.

I'm sorry that you can't shake that title, even with good behavior.  That bites.  There's no such thing as a mature drama queen. 

 

The mom seems really unforgiving for this being her daughter.  I hope she's working harder at that relationship than she seems to.  I wonder if Mother Dearest isn't a narcissist or has some personality disorder....maybe the whole family does.  She's modeling dysfunction for her kids.  Carrie actually seemed calm in comparison to both her mom and Miranda (and her little whine-fest).  I worry that Carrie's depression could be overshadowed by her family's ludicrous self-absorption.  If that girl kills herself trying to be thin, that family will have had a big hand in it.

 
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April 24, 2007, 5:59 am PDT

And we have the right to have our own minds don't we?

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Another reason this is so sad is that the family is composed of people who are so easily led.  I have a mind of my own, and not every family member has to hate on her just because she's on the outs with other people in the family instead of blindly following my siblings like some automaton.  It's like they're too concerned with "fitting in" with the others that they have to automatically attack her instead of showing concern for her needs.  No wonder the girl feels like no one cares about her.  How sad!
I think that is the root of this whole family problem. I think Carrie may have always had a mind of her own. I think it caused a big problem with her mother and eventually it snowballed into the rest of her family. I'm actually proud of my children for being able to have thier own minds. I think it's very healthy emotionally. And I wonder if Carrie feels guilty for daring to have an original thought? That would complicate things even further.
 
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April 24, 2007, 6:02 am PDT

hmm...

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I don't think it's really about her brother's choice of a wife. I think it's much deeper than that. I think she needs him to love her a lot so she won't feel like the odd ball of the family that nobody wants around. This NOT going to the wedding is just an attention getting thing - I think she wants her brother to go to her and say sorry and love her and beg her to come to the wedding etc... see, a deeper thing... She's not being a bad person, she's being a hurt person who doesn't know how to handle that hurt she feels correctly. 

Carrie needs attention to feel loved.  That seems to be how they show it.  That's why everyone's whining and crying and squeaky.  I do agree that she's hurt and needs the family to love her.  I find it sad that the brother said " I only want to "associate" with people that bring me up, and it wasn't her".  I think their mom did so much damage giving preferential treatment to the others because she was "fat" or whatever (she didn't look fat to me), that it's really damaged her self esteem and self worth.  I feel bad for the "black sheep" in that family, because it's probably the only one close to "normal" in that entire family.
 
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April 24, 2007, 6:05 am PDT

Petty

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This family would cry if someone broke the yoke when frying an egg.  I would go insane if I had to spend 10 min with them let alone my entire life.  Wheres the fun, wheres the laughter wheres the good times whats the point in hanging out with people who are this misrable over nothing.  I honestly don't know how any of them survive. The only one who can finish a sentence without being reduced to tears is Carrie, so ya she has issues. But she still had her tissues right up until the end.  And I don't think they can help her, they're not capable of handling daily life let alone an actual problem.  I think if I cried this easily I would start pinching myself to make it stop. It looks HORRIBLE...

 

 

When the point in the show came for Dr. Phil to announce that Carrie had a secret to tell her family, my husband made the following statement as the show went to commercial, "My mommie bought the wrong toilet paper last year and I will never forgive her for that."  Yes, sarcastic, but indicative of the pettiness of the issues Carrie is angry about.

 
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