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Created on : Friday, April 20, 2007, 02:35:21 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/23/07) No matter how much we try to avoid it, conflict is a part of life. But what happens when an entire family points the finger at one person as the source of the chaos? Carrie’s family calls her a drama queen who tries to destroy their relationships. Her sister, Miranda, says Carrie called their mother trash and wants their father to divorce her. Her brother, Meikle, says Carrie is upset because she didn’t approve of his fiancée and now refuses to attend his wedding. Carrie admits that she can be attracted to conflict, but says she feels isolated by her family. Then, Carrie’s parents, LaRon and Susan, confront her about trying to break up their marriage. Carrie hasn’t spoken to her mom in over a month, and they face off onstage. Plus, Carrie reveals a shocking secret that she’s kept from her family for years. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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April 24, 2007, 8:42 am PDT

I didn't see my previous posts till now, my bad.

sorry that I didn't see my previous posts in this forum, I just looked for several hours last night and didn't see them anywhere. I just barely saw them this morning. I should have looked a bit closer before I posted my last reply to someone elses post regarding their faith being somewhat of an influence to part of their behavior. I would still appreciate it if that post were still placed in this forum though for others to see, because some additions to the original post were made that make total sense to me and anyone else with a great Dr Phil like mind

(aka Common sense and logical reasoning) Thankyou. :)

 
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April 24, 2007, 8:47 am PDT

You hit the nail on the head

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I watched this show and observed a very quiet Carrie as she occationally tried to assert herself while her sisters and mother cried and sobbed about how Carrie was destroying her family. The dad spoke up a few times, usually in the same timid fashion as Carrie did. Talk about drama! The fact that Carrie had the courage to tell about the bulimia that she has suffered with for five years is dramatic, Even then the sisters and mother made it about them. Carrie is suffering and has been suffering for a long time. It was heartbreaking to hear her talk about being fat and not feeling like a part of the family. Her sisters were allowed to make fun of her for being heavier than they were? They were allowed to say that she must have been adopted? Where were the parents then, when she was growing up and vulnerable? It is an absolute disgrace that Carrie was not protected and had nowhere to turn when she has been sick with bulimia for five years. Take a good look at the dad, he is pretty beaten down too. My guess is that this mom rules the roost. If you are on her side, she is on your side but if you dare to disagree with her, she turns into the victim . It sounds like Carrie probably does express anger, maybe even over the top, inappropriate anger at times because she is trying desperately to assert herself in a family of emotional bullies. It was obvious to me that Carrie was really hurt that she was not included  in the inner circle when her brother decided to marry Kelley. Everyone focused on the specific words; that Carrie was not allowed to approve Kelley. Carrie, who feels left out with her sisters and mother, thought that she and her brother were close. He burst that bubble when he did not bring Carrie into his relationship with Kelley. No wonder, she felt left out. How hard would it have been to make personal contact with Carrie to introduce her to Kelley? I hope that both the brother and Kelley make a special effort to include Carrie in the wedding and that Carrie does attend. Kelley, this is your chance to make a lifelong friend and sister in Carrie. What struck me most about Carrie is how beautiful she is. She is definately a flower waiting to bloom. Love yourself. Be your own best friend. It's the hardest lesson you will ever have to learn but so worth it.
Carrie is not the problem in that family. The mother and sisters are. The father is a lost soul who doesn't know which side of the fence he's on.  They were absolutely off the hook.
 
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April 24, 2007, 9:02 am PDT

Re: Mormon Family

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Did anyone notice that this was a mormon family? did anyone see when Dr. Phil asked Carrie if she had a problem with the religion? It sounded to me like she was about to say that she didn't practice it. This might be another reason her family is against her. If she isn't a practicing mormon, I am pretty sure that she will not even be allowed to attend her brothers ceremony.

 

Anyone have any thoughts or observations on this?

Yes, I noticed that too. I feel that was the real root of the problem. If she were a practicing Mormon, they might still pick on her, but it wouldn't have gone that far. It comes from generations of control tactics to try to get everyone to think, act and behave the same way. And

No, she would not have been able to attend the wedding ceremony if she is not attending church. That would be a big deal with everyone there except her.

I really feel for Carrie. She has been trying her whole life to be herself and was never allowed to. Now look what it has come to? Lots of dysfunction here! The parent's lost control long ago.

 
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April 24, 2007, 9:03 am PDT

04/23 Family Drama

Man, I can't believe everyone is blaming Carrie because of the problems that she has. I just want to break down & give that woman a hug! She looks like she does have many problems that we all don't know about (than what they were talking about the show). Or that the huge problem is that family, for that matter. I think that they should pay more attention to her, & not to themselves. I hope that she gets all the help that she needs & to move forward.

 

God bless you, Carrie!

 
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April 24, 2007, 9:53 am PDT

Family Drama

Dr. Phil, Dr. Phil, Dr. Phil, I immediately knew what type of family you were dealing with yesterday. I moved from Texas to Colorado and then to Utah in 1984 and have been here since. I am still amazed that the rest of the US does not get the Mormon religion. This whole feud is about this girl leaving "The Church" and the tremendous amount of guilt she feels over this. Her family wants her back in the cult and they believe this is the way to get her back. Most  Americans have no idea what this church does to people and the guilt and shame it inflicts on people who leave it. Family is everything to them and if you are not Mormon, you are not worthy of many things. I an not Mormon but have a really close Mormon friend. We traveled together in the winter, however, she would not tell her Ward members or Mormon friends that she went with a non-Mormon. I felt our friendship suffered because she could not tell them that she has friends outside the church.

This girl will never do anything right in the eyes of her family until she asks for forgiveness and gives her testimony in church and gets to go back. The Church will actually excommunicate people who do not live the life according to 'The Book of Mormon." You know they baptize the dead and got in lots of trouble over doing this to the Jewish Community a few years ago. I was told by a co-worker that I was actually "good enough" that I could be Mormon. Like I want to be Mormon. This family will seek guidance from their ward Bishop, who has no formal training in counseling. He is just a member in good standing with a Temple card. Many of the people that make confessions to Bishops do not get in trouble because they consider all information confidential, when a lot of the information is criminal activity. We have a high rate of child abuse, child sexual abuse, wife beaters, meth users, etc. But if you go to the Bishop, you will be counseled, and I use that term loosely. He will not tell the authorities of criminal activities. I could go on and on about this cult, but it would take a book to describe how they work within their own communities. Imagine someone like me and my family, liberals, 1 child, as a woman, I have a mind of my own, living around people who are told who to vote for, what to endorse and what not to endorse. You can't get a drink anywhere w/o the state govt. permission. Our town has 1 liquor store, owned by the state and they regulate the prices. Thank goodness I'm only 25 miles to the Colorado border. Good luck with helping these people, but remember, the Bishop will come first and you will come later, when it comes to taking advice.

I was shocked that they would even go on public TV with such a problem. I'm sure they were told not to do so, by the "Church." There is a big debate going on now about Dick Cheney doing the commencement address at BYU this year. In their eyes he is a heathen and not worthy enough to be on their campus. He is visiting the heads of the "Church" before he speaks. All political figures, as a sign of respect, visit these leaders when they come to Salt Lake City, as if they were Gods. They do believe they are Prophets. I have followed your son's efforts in Colorado City to help those misguided people. Jeff Warrens was arrested in Nevada but the state of Utah did not incarcerate his accomplices, that were driving him down the freeway. Isn't that aiding and abetting one of the top 10 people on the Most Wanted List from the FBI? I still have not heard why they did not arrest the 2 people that were moving him around and around. One was his brother the other was 1 of his wives.

Don't feel like a failure if all your efforts make no changes. This family's issues will resolve when she goes back to the "Church," or leaves the state and lets no one know she is a former Mormon.

 
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April 24, 2007, 10:30 am PDT

family drama

dr. phil, GIVE ME A BREAK MORMON KEYWORD all they thrive on is drama. I know frompersoonal experiences that all the mormons love drama. they like to stir it like a big pot of stew. they are the only ones that are going to heaven and the rest of us are going to hell in a hand basket. yes i am venting because of the MORMONS my family has been torn apart and can never be put back together. I wish them the best but let us get real here. they are the right ones and the only ones that do all the right things.this being said thier religon was founeded by a drunk man. okay enough of me but they look like a lost cause. you could see the pleasure in thier faces as they yelled at one another. yes i am bitter and hope no one has to go thru what i have gone thru. have a good day
 
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April 24, 2007, 10:54 am PDT

Learned from the master

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When the point in the show came for Dr. Phil to announce that Carrie had a secret to tell her family, my husband made the following statement as the show went to commercial, "My mommie bought the wrong toilet paper last year and I will never forgive her for that."  Yes, sarcastic, but indicative of the pettiness of the issues Carrie is angry about.

Her mom has held on to issues just as trivial as Carrie's for example Eminem concerts and rude telephone conversations.   Look, the truth is, teenage girls are mean. I  was mean my sissy's were mean we just were.  We grew up and grew out of it and became fairly nice adults.  Its not forever just a few tumultuous hormone induced years. Certainly not awful enough to melt into a puddle over yrs later. I wouldn't do anything but laugh if my daughter brought up emails I looked through in highschool at 25 yrs old. Of course Carrie's mom bursts in to tears and starts screaming but I have apologized OVER AND OVER -insert bohoo'd mumbles here_______

OK heres the deal, My daughter is mentally challenged shes 8 but sustained severe brain damage as a baby.  She is absolutely in love with Dr. Phil, hes very expressive with his voice and face and it keeps her attention.  We watch it together just about every day.  Everytime someone in that family started crying or whining Sarah my daughter burst out laughing.  As usual, I think her response is right on.

 
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April 24, 2007, 11:10 am PDT

Just an observation

I totally agree that this is all about Carrie, she started the show with everyone being mad at her and then ended the show with everybody feeling sorry for her, which was just another manipulation. 

 

But there is something that i thought stood out:

 

Does anybody else not buy the bulemia (sp?) story? I do not believe it for a second, it is just another quirk to add to the drama scheme and "look at poor me".  For one thing, she says she is now 100lbs and a size 0.  Look at her, she is thin but there is no way she is only 100 lbs and a size 0.  She also said that she is now happy with her weight.  Well, anybody who has had an eating disorder or knows someone that has knows that eating disorders are a disease of the mind and people who have them are NEVER satisfied with their weight, they ALWAYS see themselves as fat no matter how thin they get.  I can't believe Dr. Phil missed that.

 

thoughts, anyone?

 
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April 24, 2007, 11:13 am PDT

YOU really get IT!

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Dr. Phil, Dr. Phil, Dr. Phil, I immediately knew what type of family you were dealing with yesterday. I moved from Texas to Colorado and then to Utah in 1984 and have been here since. I am still amazed that the rest of the US does not get the Mormon religion. This whole feud is about this girl leaving "The Church" and the tremendous amount of guilt she feels over this. Her family wants her back in the cult and they believe this is the way to get her back. Most  Americans have no idea what this church does to people and the guilt and shame it inflicts on people who leave it. Family is everything to them and if you are not Mormon, you are not worthy of many things. I an not Mormon but have a really close Mormon friend. We traveled together in the winter, however, she would not tell her Ward members or Mormon friends that she went with a non-Mormon. I felt our friendship suffered because she could not tell them that she has friends outside the church.

This girl will never do anything right in the eyes of her family until she asks for forgiveness and gives her testimony in church and gets to go back. The Church will actually excommunicate people who do not live the life according to 'The Book of Mormon." You know they baptize the dead and got in lots of trouble over doing this to the Jewish Community a few years ago. I was told by a co-worker that I was actually "good enough" that I could be Mormon. Like I want to be Mormon. This family will seek guidance from their ward Bishop, who has no formal training in counseling. He is just a member in good standing with a Temple card. Many of the people that make confessions to Bishops do not get in trouble because they consider all information confidential, when a lot of the information is criminal activity. We have a high rate of child abuse, child sexual abuse, wife beaters, meth users, etc. But if you go to the Bishop, you will be counseled, and I use that term loosely. He will not tell the authorities of criminal activities. I could go on and on about this cult, but it would take a book to describe how they work within their own communities. Imagine someone like me and my family, liberals, 1 child, as a woman, I have a mind of my own, living around people who are told who to vote for, what to endorse and what not to endorse. You can't get a drink anywhere w/o the state govt. permission. Our town has 1 liquor store, owned by the state and they regulate the prices. Thank goodness I'm only 25 miles to the Colorado border. Good luck with helping these people, but remember, the Bishop will come first and you will come later, when it comes to taking advice.

I was shocked that they would even go on public TV with such a problem. I'm sure they were told not to do so, by the "Church." There is a big debate going on now about Dick Cheney doing the commencement address at BYU this year. In their eyes he is a heathen and not worthy enough to be on their campus. He is visiting the heads of the "Church" before he speaks. All political figures, as a sign of respect, visit these leaders when they come to Salt Lake City, as if they were Gods. They do believe they are Prophets. I have followed your son's efforts in Colorado City to help those misguided people. Jeff Warrens was arrested in Nevada but the state of Utah did not incarcerate his accomplices, that were driving him down the freeway. Isn't that aiding and abetting one of the top 10 people on the Most Wanted List from the FBI? I still have not heard why they did not arrest the 2 people that were moving him around and around. One was his brother the other was 1 of his wives.

Don't feel like a failure if all your efforts make no changes. This family's issues will resolve when she goes back to the "Church," or leaves the state and lets no one know she is a former Mormon.

You really understand what it is like! I'm amazed! Most non-Mormons never really get what an emotional and physical hold the church has on its' members. I've been OUT of the church for over 20 years and I still am in recovery. Judgment abounds from my family members who are still mainstream Mormons. I gave up on their acceptance years ago. I congratulate myself for standing up for my own beliefs and not becoming a victim. They can see I am successful without the church in my life and I was not struck dead because I left!

 
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April 24, 2007, 12:05 pm PDT

Missing point on sisters

 I think that the sisters ended up looking so "whiny" and the voices rose,  because Dr. Phil jumped the gun and took position on Carrie's side and protect her (see my last post on this) and the family was forced to defend themselves right off the bat. So, yes, the emotions were brought upfront, made the family look like a bunch of whiners.

Many posters that are seeing Carrie as the full victim though seem  to have issues themselves that are unresolved in their lives and this show just brought their emotions to the forefront thus giving them the empathy/sympathy that they feel they didn't get within their own family.  Misery loves company is so true! I understand the need to vent your issues, but aren't being objective.

I am not un-sympathetic to Carrie, but I truly think she is the cause of her own problems. That family is frustrated and love her, but it isn't enough to fill Carrie's hole for want of attention.

So, for all that are pointing fingers at the family, when is enough enough? Call off weddings, get divorced, keep hearing past childish stuff thrown in your face, stop living your own life so you can clap at any little improvement that Carrie makes so she has an audience? What about their lives? Is Carrie there for the cheer-leading for them? I think not! It would require her giving of herself....not gonna happen.

I think the mother has known the deal with Carrie for a long time and hasn't been strong enough to deal with Carries strong personality. Then she has a husband that doesn't back her up.  I can bet that Carrie played her parents big time and won. Every child tries that move, but if it works, watch out!  I feel that since the WHOLE family is rallying together and going on this show to HELP CARRIE, ended up getting the wheels turned on them and that wasn't right. Defensive mode kick in~

They all seem pretty normal and if Carrie wants to fit in with her family, she has to change. It is ultimately her choice. If she doesn't like it, move on! I am guessing that "strangers" in her life won't put up with the "drama" so they have moved on, but the family have true feelings for her well being and are getting played!

I wish the family well. Carrie reminds me of a drug addict, her drug of choice is attention. No difference in the family to stop enabling (which is EXACTLY why they came on the show for help!!) and get their sister/daughter help. Dr. Phil, sorry bud, you dropped the ball.
 
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