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July 23, 2007, 7:02 am PDT

Hello Karin

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Did my own sleep lab test last night too (odd coincidence that there are 2 of us doing them at the same time!) 

Saw the pulmonologist today and he said I don't have sleep apnea, I show the very earliest signs of a possible slight case arriving but none now.  Which is good.  I protested all along that i didn't think I had sleep apnea, so it's kinda nice to be right, I admit to that too : )   Anyway, it's good news.  I only have to sleep with oxygen, not with the CPAP AND oxygen.   I desaturated a bunch.  Guess I was down at 80% pretty frequently.  Not a shock.  When we did my home test last year, where you just where the O2 sat monitor on your finger - I desaturated something like 242 times or maybe even 342 times - it was a crazy high number. Worked out to once ever 18 seconds or something.  No wonder I'd been so tired!

 

Bad news, my oxygen use is no longer "when you feel you need it" it's "wear your oxygen all the time."  I preferred the control of the first but oh well.  Oh, and he referred to "my pulmonary hypertension."  Hmm,thought you said I didn't have that?  But, ya know, I just didn't want to know so I chalked it up to a misspeak - figured he meant to say "your pulmonary embolism."  I just couldn't start that conversation, just literally could not do it.  V was hyper-annoyed at this flagrant display of poor health management.  But it's not his health being managed and, heaven forbid he ever get this ill, well, he'll understand why sometimes, you just gotta let things go and hope for the best : )

 

GOOD NEWS!!!! - I'm cleared to travel!  As long as I have oxygen with me at all times I can travel go on our cruise!  And I should have my new oxygen machine tomorrow or early next week at the latest.  Looking forward to it!  This means I can go to my college roommates wedding and I am thrilled about that.  I've missed 3 close friends' weddings since I became ill, all totally unavoidable but it's depressing to miss such big days.

 

Ok, that's it.  I hope everyone here is holding in and hanging on. 

 

Be well,

Karin

Hello sweet thing, i am so happy for you, you can going to have that cruise. Congratulations. Enjoy it please. Do you sleep with a pillow under your matras now, so you don't have that refux anymore? Or am i confusing you with somebody else? If i do, i am sorry. Please, let me know, who had the reflux then and the awfull taste in her mouth.

 

Take care, lovely Karin, sincerely simone

 
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July 23, 2007, 7:15 am PDT

Wellcome Kathy

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A test showed some inflammation and erosion inside my esophagus, where it empties into the stomach.   I also sleep with my head and chest up about at  30* angle to reduce backwash.

 

The sphincter at my stomach doesn't close all the way.  The intense pain at my breast bone had been with me for many years.  I now am free of esophagus pain, unless I try to skip skip this medication for more than 2 days.  It took a few weeks to heal. It comes back full force (pain!!!) when I have attempted to stop taking the Prevacid.   It really works.  When I can, I take only one a day.  Just to help avoid any side effects.  This is the most helpful medication I've ever used.  Ask your doctor to put a scope down your throat to take pictures of what is happening there. (a couple sprays of the topical anesthetic is enough to help you cooperate.

 

Be well in body and spirit,

grandma Kathy

 

 

I am simonecornelia (sim or simone), i have been suffering in time with that too, and i have had a Gastroscopy with same result you have but i take 1 Zantac a day and that cured me from that problem and i started sleeping with a pillow under the matras and that helped too. I am Dutch and you use all different meds than we do but Zantac is good too and in the States, you have it too. I have seen that name here on the board somewhere, but like all of us, we can not remember much things, can't we. Especially when you are new. And even after a while, we still have problems remembering due to our meds or pain or ilness*. Be well in body and spirit too;

 

sincerely, simonecornelia

 

 

PS Sorry, Karin, after all, it was you, as i see the message above Kathy's. Kisses, sim

 
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July 23, 2007, 7:41 am PDT

Dear Debbie

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I hope this message finds everyone well and as pain free as possible- I will write more in detail another time- I'm getting ready to head out of town to the in-laws' family reunion. Not too thrilled about that.  It's a 4 hour drive and I feel just way too tired to go.  I am hoping that getting out of the house for something other than work, the doctor and the grocery store may help my mood!! :)

anyway, just saying hi - I haven't posted in awhile and didn't want to lose my spot on the board!
Everyone, please take care of yourselves - I'm thinking about and praying for you all-

All the best

Debbie

Hey sweet one,

 

You will never loose your spot here on the board, don't even think that. Everybody would start panicing if you would leave us. We would ask in every post, "Debbie, honey, where are you??? Answer please. Look at Prof, how many times hasn't  she asked about Tanja and i don't know her, but i wish for her that Tanja will soon answer for Prof sake*. I will keep your spot open by saying "Debbie says Hey", okay?

 

Yours sincerely, simonecornelia

 
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July 23, 2007, 8:58 am PDT

My dear Karin

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Do you want to be here for support, for suggestions of what people think might help, for the general all around love and support we provide each other or to just vent your tension in a posting forum?  That should actually be the question.  We might be repetitive.  There's a lot of us and we each, individually, have our own concerns.  Sometimes a person gets the same advice from 5 different people but that's because 5 different people have cared enough to take the time to read your post, consider what you are saying, think through what might be helpful and then put themselves out there enough to answer.  Repetitive or not that deserves some appreciation; we don't always have to agree with each other but snapping back will get you no where.  But maybe you don't want suggestions or friendship or offers of help.  Maybe you just want to vent and not be part of this back-and-forth we have going.  That's perfectly okay.  You can do that.  Just say so in your post, that you aren't looking for replies.  We'll leave you alone and you can post in peace.  But if you want the friendship and ideas then this is ridiculous.  Your responses are curt to the point of rudeness and all you want to do is shoot down everything anyone suggests.  Things are often suggested that people already know or have tried but we respond nicely and are grateful people are thinking of us.  The snarky replies that imply that the group just annoys you or that your pain is somehow more important than ours aren't helpful.

 

 

FYI, I was 14 when I started living in chronic pain.  19 when a surgeon performed experimental surgery on my knee, without telling me it was experimental and left me unable to do more than walk short distances.  I know all about losing out on your youth.  I haven't jogged, danced, played in so long I would forget how.  At one point I too lived a normal life like yours.  I was a cheerleader for years, I jogged 7 nights a week, I went to clubs with girlfriends.  In fact, if you went back and read the posts you'd find that most of us got sick in our 20s (or younger). 

 

Anyone who spends time trying to make friends or find support in these groups learns a couple of things - people who come on are often angry and depressed in the beginning.  They think their story is the worst story ever.  Lots of us thought that too at one point, I'm not blaming you nor singling you out - I certainly felt that way at one point too.  I quickly learned otherwise.  We also learn that because we try to focus on other things we try to focus on feeling good about our selves and our lives *around* the pain.  I doubt most of our pain levels ever drop below 7 or so.  Maybe occasionally with extreme meds or hospitalization.  Otherwise level 7-9 pain is par for the course.

 

As for me, I love each and every person on here with a very pure, accepting love - no expectations of anything from anyone and I am often amazed at the well of love and strength I get back - even though I don't expect it.  That is truly a beautiful thing. 

 

So I am sorry you are in pain.  I am always saddened to see new people join the group as you don't search out pain groups unless you are in substantial amounts of pain all the time.  That is sad to me.  Yes your age makes it hard on you, but you aren't the only one and, you just have to keep pushing through.  Pain is pain, whatever your age, gender, height, weight, country of origin - it just is.  And it's a nasty nasty enemy.  Sneaky and cruel.  But you already know that.

 

So we are here for you.  I refrained from posting until today because I kept being hopeful you would take some of the open-ended friendship that was being offered and realize that in a pain group, although each individual is important, pain isn't unique.  What makes you unique is YOU.  So who are you other than your pain?  That's what people have been asking, and suggesting that maybe if you look for *you* under all the pain it might provide you some solace in dealing with this all.  We all know how easy it is to be pain-full instead of just painful.  It's a thin, thin line.

 

I hope you stay.  There is a ton of love and support here.  But please try to take our comments the way they are written - in a supportive, friendly tone.  Perhaps if you read our comments with that in mind they would be more palatable.

 

I hope you are as well as possible today and getting at least a little joy out of the weekend.

Karin

 

PS - As for young - I'm 32, on 24 hr/day oxygen with the knees of a 80 year old and lungs that are termed "emphysemic" from all the blood clots I've had.  Yeah, it does suck being young and sick.  But being bitter won't make any of the above go away.

 

PPS - Have you tried Zantac or Pepcid for your post-gall bladder pain?  I still have some residual pain in the area.  I also developed a nasty case of GERD after my gall bladder came out.  The antacids help a ton.  I take a prescription one now but Prevacid (over the counter) helped a lot for a long time.  Some people find fish oil capsules help too.

Well, well, lovely Karin,

 

You took the words out of my mouth, if i may say so.

I was reading the last 11 pages, one by one, i started to get upset, i am sorry.

But you solved that problem for me in a kind way. We don't have to agree on a few things, but everyone  here means well.....

 

I have to say : Congratulations, my words, would not heve been so kind. Thank you, lovely-one

 

Love you, simone

 
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July 23, 2007, 9:22 am PDT

For Lashy.....

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Lashy,

Oh, love, I'm sorry.  Just when it seems you are being tested to your limit, your limit is raised.  I hope that you have had a good day and that your pain has been kept under control.  I know keeping your pain controlled with this kind of stress much be very difficult.

 

I think the child abandonment avenue might be the safest way to go.  She'll be very, very angry with you, but as you said, she is acting like she doesn't know how to act so maybe that will be a wakeup call.

Could it be that jail would actually provide her with the meds she needs, on a schedule she has to stick to?  I know that jails are supposed to do this.  If you were in California I wouldn't even think of it, the federal government is 1 step away from taking over our penal system because the medical treatments/facilities are so sub-par.  How is it where you are?

 

Then again I can hardly believe that I suggesting that having your daughter arrested is a viable option!  What a terrible spot for you, to even have to consider that question.  But if she is refusing to treat her condition...

 

The only other thought that came to me was that you could call the Dept. of Public Health for where she is in NY.  I imagine they might be able to force her to work out a medication routine, especially if she has one of the new strains of HIV.

 

I think both those ideas probably stink but they were the only two I could come up with. I wish there was more.

 

I worry, if you go to get her will she try to get you arrested for kidnapping/false imprisonment for grabbing her?  I don't know how that works but if she were angry enough...I don't know.  But I worry for you both (well really all 5 of you including your husband and the grand-babies.)  You follow your heart, as a mother I think it's all you can do at this point.  And even if she owns up to nothing else, responsibility wise, your daughter desperately needs to be on a treatment program.  It makes me sad that she is too selfish to see what her not taking meds does to you - the position that puts you in, of knowing what comes next and that she's speeding up the process.  I pray for your success in getting her to take the needed medication (and to wake up, realize she's responding to the diagnosis by running amok and come home and be an adult, but that's a big wish!)

 

Good luck and God bless you all.

Karin

Hi, sweet grandma,

 

I think Karin is right. Imagine you would go to NY, but i don't advice it, but just imagine you do.

Then imagine what Karin says, that you end up in Prison. OMG, i may not think that or i go crazy but just imagine....

 

And then think about your 2 baby's, your husband and your other daughter, what would become of them.....

 

Lashy, please, do not go, i begg* you. You are in no state* to go.

I know it is your daughter but please, she is old enough to know what she is doing, please Lashy, don't go, please,please!!!!

 

You are not well enough, you had 2 operations, remember, you are in a lot of pain that sometimes you can not take care of yourself, or even get out of bed.... Do you want to end up in a NY-hospital, imagine that.... So.....

 

Please, for once, think about yourself, lashy-girl!!!!!!

 

Love you very much, sim

 
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July 23, 2007, 10:01 am PDT

Hello Huntin...

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I myself have had very bad days these past two weeks.  I also suffer from fibro and was diagnosed with it since I was 25...I'm going to be 40 soon.  The pills help a wee bit if they don't upset your stomach (that's saying it nicely).  I would love to find something that would actually take this darn pain away without making me stupid where I don't care if i'm in pain or not.  I have good days and bad....mostly when the humidity is high (bad days).  As for my Doctor.....well she is a sweety and is doing her best to make my days easier.  Now if we could actually get the medical profession to agree on what this is then we would find our answers to have more good days then bad.

 

I keep as active as possible even when it hurts so much to move I do it.  And yes crying the whole way through.  I have a life darn it and I will live it!!!  I keep remembering all the good in my life so I can keep the depression away as long as possible.  But let's get real here we can only do that for so long until the pain becomes to much and the depression slips in.  This is what upsets and frustrates me almost as much has finding the right medication, because people think we are ok because we breath and move.  They don't walk in our shoes or go through the pain we do on a Daily Basis and that's to be as normal in our lives as possible.  This illness and yes that's what it is as far as i'm concerned is real.  We need to be able to live our lives to the fullest just like anyone else has a right too.  How about some of the medical professionals actually do something about it instead of treating us like it's all in our heads.

 

Sorry all if it's harsh, but I'm in a great amount of pain today and even the pills that make me stupid aren't working.

Huntin

Wellcome, if i did not say it before but my memory is bad. I am simonecornelia and speaking Dutch, so please forgive my mistakes in my writing.

 

I have Fibromyalgia too and it is a fact, the greater the humidity, the more pain you have.And it also true that some days, your meds don't work at all. You don't get below the 11 on the 1-10 scale, i know as i live in a wet cold country like Belgium. And the summer right now, is hell itself.

3 - 5 nice days and for the rest, warm enough 2O° Celsius but raining,raining and again raining.

Most off the lower regions are overflowing, sad for the farmers but anyway.

 

It will pass, my dear. It is good by staying active BUT.... Do not be active untill you cry from pain, that is wrong,so wrong. My suggestion, if you can, if you are almost on your crying-point, i don't know how else to say it in English,  go and lay down, take half a Valium to relax your muscles and sleep not more then 1 hour. You will feel the pain again when you wake up BUT...

 

Make yourself or even before resting, a nice cup of coffee or thee, wich you prefer, go and sit in a comfortable seat, sit down for half an hour and you will feel the pain slip away a bit, so you can restart or finish what you were doing before. Make sure you had your rest before everyone gets home, because otherwise you will break down at the moment they come trough the door. I know from experience.

 

What i always do too, is rest before supper* because if you have to much pain, you are not hungry and then(speaking for myself i do) i do not eat, i already lost 5O kilo like that.  Hopefully, i could help with this post a bit, i keep you in my prayers.

 

Sincerely, simonecornelia( or sim or simone)

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July 23, 2007, 10:54 am PDT

Hey lady-elf

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Thank you dear, I'm fine, really.  My wrist is healed, that was minor, and the only thing left from the fall that hurts is the hip joint where I bounced before landing on my back.

Falls happen for me, and will become more and more common as the years go on. This one scared me more because of the twisting and turning I did in the air, and the fact that I was alone and already overly emotional before the fall.

Speaking of recipes (or receipts for those of  you who prefer that spelling), my mother used to make Boterkoek (Boterkook?) and I loved it. I haven't made it in years, I should try to find the recipe back. (I hope I haven't lost it! I know it was like 2 eggs, 2 cups + 2 Tbsp flour, about the same in sugar (not sure?), and like two sticks of butter. I think that was the recipe. Knead it together, bake at about 325  to 350 degrees Farenheit. It's been years so I can't remember the exact measurements.

Blessed be,

Morgan

Dearest Morgan,

 

I am glad* you are allright now, but i wish you would go to see the doctor for that wrist-arm anyway. I know from the insurance-difficulty but you can you still benefit from Keepers insurance? Just a question,honey? If so, go see the doc.

 

I will look for the recepie for the BoterKOEK, but what you said, seems about right, the flower-part is more i think, i look it up, ok?

 

Love you, my elf, sim

 
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July 23, 2007, 11:16 am PDT

Dutch Oven

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I wish you my dear Becky,

 

 

A HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!

 

 

 

Enjoy the day and night(hmm) but I am Dutch but i have never heard about a dutch pie or even a dutch pie, but anyway, i hope you will have a very nice and happy, painfree day.

 

Yours sincerely, simonecornelia

First of all, thank you all for your wonderful birthday wishes...I was going to spend a quiet day at home, staying off of my foot...

 

... But...my 18 year old son left his meds at home when he went up to his job at the YMCA camp, so I have to drive an hour each way to get them up to him...he comes home on most weekends...I told him that next time, he should only bring enough pills for the day that he is here.  He has Narcolepsy (like me), and his Provigil is very important to keep him awake and focused on his job...he would forget his head if it wasn't attached!!

 

Back to the subject at hand...the kind of "Dutch oven" that I am referring to is a large cast iron pot (very heavy) with a cast iron lid.  It is used for outdoor cooking.  We like to use it when we go camping.  We have two of them, and we can cook the meal and dessert all at the same time.  We stack them up for cooking.  The bottom oven gets charcoal briquettes underneath it, and on its lid.  The next one goes on top of the bottom one, and gets more briquettes on the lid.  The cast iron provides a nice even heat and cooks very delicious food.  We have cooked stew, and chicken and rice, and anything else that can be cooked all together in a pot.  These cast iron pots...Dutch ovens...were used in colonial days over the fire.  Charcoal briquettes in the United States are pre-packaged and ready to light up for cooking.  You could also use glowing hot wood from the fire.  Do people go camping and do outdoor cooking in Holland?  The reason I ask is that when I was in high school...many, many years ago...we had an exchange student from Germany.  She had never camped or cooked outdoors.  I still keep in contact with her from time to time, and she has been to visit us a couple of times.  It's amazing how different our cultures are...she had never eaten peanut butter, Jello, or red licorice before she came to the US.  She was amazed at the selection of breakfast cereals we have here.  That was 30 years ago, so I'm sure that things have changed since then.  On one of her first nights with us, we sat up all night...she and my sisters and I...we ate an entire jar of peanutbutter with crackers, and celery!!

 

My foot is finally feeling better.  That darn foot splint makes my foot higher than the other one...I have NO platform shoes, so it's like having legs of two different lengths.  That has been very hard on my lower back...I now have a big knot in the muscles...I will see the chiropractor tomorrow.  When I see the foot specialist on Thursday, I hope that he will say that I don't have to wear the splint anymore.  It still hurts a little to walk barefoot in the house, without the splint, but I can move my foot all around and wiggle my toes without any pain.  I have been using alternating ice and heat on my back, plus I have a few muscle relaxant pills left...I'll definitely have to get a refill on those, as they are crucial for my various muscle pains from Fibromyalgia.

 

Well, gotta go...the kids are about to put the cake in the oven...Becky

 
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July 23, 2007, 11:20 am PDT

I hear your singing...

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happy birthday, dearrrrr becky... happy birthdayyyy to youuuuu!

Where did you get such a BIG font??  I only know the basics here...haven't been back to my new Dr. Phil diary...no time.

 

Thanks for the song...Becky

 
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July 23, 2007, 11:37 am PDT

hello i am cherylina with chronic pain also

hello my name is cherylina i have chronic pain my only child was murderd he was only 14 yearsold the grief was still is very bad fore me i have chronic pain from my son death i havent been the same since i am a caring loving person i been divorced since 1990 and i dont date or anything the pain gets me down so bad it seems as if my life has stopped people shoulde thank god they have love one to help them i have no one just myself i wish i could get better i pray alot thats my answer to get better in life GOD BLESS EVERYONE THATS SICK   CHERYLINA  IF YOU LIKE TO TALK HERES MY REG EMAILING IF YOU NEED A FRIEND        cherylinaamen2000@yahoo.com              
 
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