Topic : Repairing Broken Relationships

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Is there a rift in your family that has gone on too long? When someone isn't speaking to someone else and they drag the whole family into it, things get ugly. Share your stories and solutions here.

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August 4, 2008, 9:37 am PDT

Need information

I am interested in purchasing 'relationship resuce' for a family member. I would like to  know if this book comes in Spanish? If so, where can I purchase two of them?
 
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August 7, 2008, 10:36 pm PDT

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I am new to this forum. I am twenty two years old and thinking about getting back in touch with my biological father. Only problem is that I havent heard or seen him since I was eight years old.  I was not allowed contact with him after because my step dad adopted me. Also another problem is my mom doesnt want me to have contact with him because of the fact that my biological father is a real bad person. When i mean bad, I mean bad. When my mom was pregnant with me, my dad tried to kill my mom several times so he could kill me too. He abused me phycially real bad and emotionally. Not to mention sexually. He uses drugs big time and sells drugs. He is a big time alcoholic. Has tried several times to kill me in the past when i was young. Well i was thinking about getting a hold of him because of the fact that I have all this anger in me because of what he did to me in the past. I have a very bad attitude problem because of my dad. I feel the only way to get rid of all this anger is to tell him how I feel about him and stuff. But the only problem about that is that a couple years ago, I called him up to get my family history from him and he denied doing what he did to me, even though there are court records and police records that say otherwise and plus a child doesnt forget something like that. Every day I have nightmares because of what he did. He hasnt changed a bit. Still an alcoholic, drug dealer, drug user and other stuff. Dont know if I should open the book or let it be.
 
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August 8, 2008, 12:04 pm PDT

How to heal a sibling reln.

Super long story... going to make it short. I was the one that cared what people thought -- made good grades, etc... He didn't. I'm older by two years. I roomed in college with his ex wife before they ever dated. I still have a reln with her as friends. He divorced her... he has pulled many many antics all the way up to beating me up in 2002. I haven't been able to forgive... it's been stormy since. He's remarried. She emailed me earlier on but after another blowout happened in Feb (bro is now accusing my parents of abuse as a child to ME at the time but not to them -- i got angry about it and told them but they are acting like they don't know).

I had a child in April. he's never called to say how are you. He hasn't even met him.

WHAT DO I DO? I have reachd out once... just sent another email today just saying that his nephew wanted to meet his only uncle.

What do I do?
 
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August 11, 2008, 9:22 pm PDT

i need help!

hey,

 so here goes im 16 and my two sisters and i moved in with my mother almost 8 years ago. i haven't spoken to my father because he has some kind of problem with my two sisters and i and i think its because i thinks we chose my mother over him witch isn't the case. i really want to have my father back into my life but its really hard to get him to listen to me and i don't even no where he is living or if he even has a phone anymore.

we moved in with my mom becasue he use to beat my sisters and it got really bad to, he pushed my older sister down the basement stairs before, and also lit her hair on fire, and i remember when me an my other sister got up for school one day and she went passed his girlfriend at the time and she pushed her on the way but she didn't mean it and she told her sorry and his girlfriend in said it was fine. and i came down the steps and saw my father punching my sister in the arms, chest, head, back anywhere he possbily could i quess and then he grabed her up and throw her on to the floor, into the wall, and also she told me and my mother that while this was happening she had 2 black outs while he was throwing her around and hitting her. it was so sad and scary to A) see my sister that upset and bit up and B)to see a father do that to his own child for someone who wasn't even family. hes also called my sister a slut, count, the b word, and hes also called my mother a count as well. 

i never really got called anything or beatin because i was to young and my sister got me out before he could do anything like that.

i know that people say i shouldn't forgive him and stuff but everyone devrse another chance, and i'm not saying i'm going to forget but i'm welling to forgive him if hes welling to work with me to gt back the father and child relationship we once had.

 

 

what should i do to find, talk to him dr. phil? 

 
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August 12, 2008, 5:56 pm PDT

Will it help in reality or chasing dream?

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I am new to this forum. I am twenty two years old and thinking about getting back in touch with my biological father. Only problem is that I havent heard or seen him since I was eight years old.  I was not allowed contact with him after because my step dad adopted me. Also another problem is my mom doesnt want me to have contact with him because of the fact that my biological father is a real bad person. When i mean bad, I mean bad. When my mom was pregnant with me, my dad tried to kill my mom several times so he could kill me too. He abused me phycially real bad and emotionally. Not to mention sexually. He uses drugs big time and sells drugs. He is a big time alcoholic. Has tried several times to kill me in the past when i was young. Well i was thinking about getting a hold of him because of the fact that I have all this anger in me because of what he did to me in the past. I have a very bad attitude problem because of my dad. I feel the only way to get rid of all this anger is to tell him how I feel about him and stuff. But the only problem about that is that a couple years ago, I called him up to get my family history from him and he denied doing what he did to me, even though there are court records and police records that say otherwise and plus a child doesnt forget something like that. Every day I have nightmares because of what he did. He hasnt changed a bit. Still an alcoholic, drug dealer, drug user and other stuff. Dont know if I should open the book or let it be.

First off, I am s sorry that you have suffered abuse at the hands of your father.  How tragic and what a waste for him.  What a pathetic, disgusting waste.

It seems to me that you're holding out for some type of resolution or closure.  That is the only reason I can see that you would be thinking about contacting him.  You say he has not changed a bit.  As deeply painful as this is to really internalize, you must accept that.  Sadly, I guess that means letting go of all hope.  Letting go of any expectations from him.  You probably are not going to find any answers.  Some people are just so screwed up and they spread their poison and destroy everything in their path.  I can't imagine the burden and loss of accepting that the person who helped give you life is one of those people. 

This is so huge, I can't even begin to discuss it to give it justice (nor am I qualified).  The only redeeming advice I can give you is to think one good thing about your father:  in creating you as his offspring, he made someone who has the chance to break that cycle of destruction.  Not that you should/could save him, but that you can break the cycle down the blood line and make sure that poison doesn't keep getting passed on down the family genes. 

A good therapist or even Al-Anon type support group might be an asset to you.  If you ever do decide it's necessary to confront him for one final time; I strongly recommend working with a therapist first so you can organize your thoughts and expectations and go about the contact in most constructive manner possible so it doesn't just leave you feeling worse.  Also, they could work w/ you after to discuss his reactions, etc. 

Peace be with you.

 
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August 13, 2008, 8:38 pm PDT

Repairing Broken Relationships

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First off, I am s sorry that you have suffered abuse at the hands of your father.  How tragic and what a waste for him.  What a pathetic, disgusting waste.

It seems to me that you're holding out for some type of resolution or closure.  That is the only reason I can see that you would be thinking about contacting him.  You say he has not changed a bit.  As deeply painful as this is to really internalize, you must accept that.  Sadly, I guess that means letting go of all hope.  Letting go of any expectations from him.  You probably are not going to find any answers.  Some people are just so screwed up and they spread their poison and destroy everything in their path.  I can't imagine the burden and loss of accepting that the person who helped give you life is one of those people. 

This is so huge, I can't even begin to discuss it to give it justice (nor am I qualified).  The only redeeming advice I can give you is to think one good thing about your father:  in creating you as his offspring, he made someone who has the chance to break that cycle of destruction.  Not that you should/could save him, but that you can break the cycle down the blood line and make sure that poison doesn't keep getting passed on down the family genes. 

A good therapist or even Al-Anon type support group might be an asset to you.  If you ever do decide it's necessary to confront him for one final time; I strongly recommend working with a therapist first so you can organize your thoughts and expectations and go about the contact in most constructive manner possible so it doesn't just leave you feeling worse.  Also, they could work w/ you after to discuss his reactions, etc. 

Peace be with you.

I have been to several therapists and they really havent helped me on it. I really dont know how to get rid of this anger and at times I take it out on the wrong people which I dont mean to do. The only good thing he did was when my step dad wanted to adopt me, my biological dad signed the adoption papers. That was the best he did. Honestly my dad (the one who adopted me) has been more of a father than my biological one. He has always taken good care of me. But I mainly want to contact my biological father because of the fact, that honestly I feel the only way to get this anger out is to confront him. I have tried this once but he started to deny everything. My mom and my father say that my biological is very munipulative and he will never change. I know they are right about it. My mom and my father do not want me to contact him because they are afraid that I will get hurt both physically and mentally. My biological father has severe mental problems but he wont seek help on it. He denys everything even though there is proof. He never even bothered to pay child support. My mom and my father say I need to let go and move on and that what my biological dad did to me shouldnt affect me since I havent seen him in several years.
 
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August 13, 2008, 8:48 pm PDT

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hey,

 so here goes im 16 and my two sisters and i moved in with my mother almost 8 years ago. i haven't spoken to my father because he has some kind of problem with my two sisters and i and i think its because i thinks we chose my mother over him witch isn't the case. i really want to have my father back into my life but its really hard to get him to listen to me and i don't even no where he is living or if he even has a phone anymore.

we moved in with my mom becasue he use to beat my sisters and it got really bad to, he pushed my older sister down the basement stairs before, and also lit her hair on fire, and i remember when me an my other sister got up for school one day and she went passed his girlfriend at the time and she pushed her on the way but she didn't mean it and she told her sorry and his girlfriend in said it was fine. and i came down the steps and saw my father punching my sister in the arms, chest, head, back anywhere he possbily could i quess and then he grabed her up and throw her on to the floor, into the wall, and also she told me and my mother that while this was happening she had 2 black outs while he was throwing her around and hitting her. it was so sad and scary to A) see my sister that upset and bit up and B)to see a father do that to his own child for someone who wasn't even family. hes also called my sister a slut, count, the b word, and hes also called my mother a count as well. 

i never really got called anything or beatin because i was to young and my sister got me out before he could do anything like that.

i know that people say i shouldn't forgive him and stuff but everyone devrse another chance, and i'm not saying i'm going to forget but i'm welling to forgive him if hes welling to work with me to gt back the father and child relationship we once had.

 

 

what should i do to find, talk to him dr. phil? 

I know exactly what you are going through. I am 22, and when I was a young kid, I would get beaten up all time by my biological father. He also attempted to kill me several times. When I was ten, I was adopted by my step dad and I was able to move far away from my biological dad. I havent seen him since the adoption. I spoke to him once and he hasnt changed. The advice I would give you is that you need to seek a counselor to help you out with the issues of your father. They can help give you ideas on how to approach him. Has your father ever denied hurting your sister? If he denies it, I would watch out. Also you need to make sure that he has changed and isnt abusive anymore. If you do intend on meeting him and having a relationship, I would first have someone go with you just in case he tries to start something. Thank goodness that he hasnt hurt you but if he hasnt changed and you go by yourself, there is a chance that maybe he will do something bad to you so I wouldnt give him the opportunity to do so. Sorry that your sister got abused by him, I feel her pain. I hope things work out for you.
 
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August 18, 2008, 8:50 pm PDT

Illness or drugs?

My 26 year old son began to act unlike himself.

 

He was dating a girl and came home repeating everything she said..mimicking her. It seemed as though he was losing his personality in favor of her personality.

 

My son was normally on the quiet side and easy going. He was a good son, a good student and well respected by his family, friends and people of our community.

 

One day I began to notice that every time I sat in the same room with him he would get up and leave the room and often he would not look at his father and I during dinner.

 

He was going to a gym to work out. He developed bad acne, complained about sore knees which he claimed was my fault because he said he felt forced to play hockey when he was younger. His feet were swollen for a while.

 

He began to walk around the house like a robot. He wasn't himself. I know he lost his feelings for us because he told me so. He lost all his previous interests. He was only focused on his girl. I used to wonder if she was drugging him as he seemed fine when he was not in her company.

 

Things escalated after he became engaged. His girlfriend stopped talking to us. My son lived at home for another year until he got married. It was a year of hell. My son had many angry outbursts and became violent. He could not be reasoned with. I would have kicked him out but I was not sure if he was on drugs or ill. He spent the year at home accusing us of anything and everything. I felt that he was trying to get kicked out of the house but we didn't give in. I spent the whole year trying to keep the family together and trying to get his girlfriend to come back over to our house. All of our efforts failed. he and his girlfriend were both manipulative. She seemed like she had some kind of control over him that was unnatural. He seemed more like a slave and she was his master and he obeyed her at all costs. My son could not think for himself.

 

My son walked right out of our lives after he got married. His wedding was a nighmare. After everything we did for him he did not even acknowledge us during the reception and his wife and her family went on and on about how happy they were to finally have a son after 4 girls in their family. His wife is oriental. My son seemed very pleased to be in their family. My son took us out of the wedding pictures and had the video man delete every member of his family from the wedding video. My son's wedding seemed more like a kidnapping than a wedding.

 

After he was married he began to hang up when we telephoned and stopped replying to emails. He completely shut the door on his entire family and past friends. We tried to go over and make amends but he telephoned the police on us each time we went over and tells the police we are bothering him. He put a restraining order on us at one point because we had gone over 3 times in the same month begging him to attend his sisters wedding. He did not attend.

 

My son did not attend his grandfathers funeral. It is so sad as he was close to him.

 

My son and his wife now have 2 boys which we have never seen. He named them after his wife's surname which is unlike him as he used to say that if a girl didn't want his name then she didn't want him either.

 

I went to his house and asked him if we could see the children and my son told me that I could not see them because I might molest them. I was shocked and asked him if he had ever been abused or molested. I could see the wheels spinning in his head as he had to think about it and then replied. NO; but he didn't connect the the dots.

 

My son acts like his wife. He talks like her and does anything she wants him too without any concern to how his actions affect anyone else.

 

It his been 8 years now and I stopped trying, but I do send flowers or a fruit basket on Christmas, Easter and his birthday, other than that I notify him of family deaths and births by email to which he never responds.

 

I ran into my son a couple months ago while shopping. When he saw me the expression on his face was of utter disgust.

 

My son used to tell everyone what a great family he had. My life is full of anguish. If anyone has any advice I would be very happy to try another approach.

 

 

 
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August 19, 2008, 8:25 pm PDT

conflict with parent

I don't even know if I'm writing this in the right area, but I'll go ahead anyway. Almost every child knows whether or not they're the favourite with a particular parent. I know im not the favourite with my mother, despite what she may say. I feel like I put in the most effort with her, and i get no acknowledgement in return. My brother couldn't give a hoot about spending time with my mother and despite all that she acts like he's God's gift to the world, in her eyes he can do no wrong.
I go out of my way to take her out with my bf and I, just to get her out of the house and to establish a relationship between the two of them, and as she said today "you don't do sh*t for me". Im currently suffering from depression and an anxiety disorder and needless to say, this didn't go down well with me. I just walked off to my room and burst out sobbing. Having been on holidays, I put in a lot of effort to bring back a gift for her and my father, just to let them know that I was thinking about them while I was away. I dont know why, despite all my efforts, I still get treated in this way. I think its hugely unfair to treat your child this way, but hey, at least I know what NOT to do when I have children of my own one day..
 
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August 20, 2008, 4:00 am PDT

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    I need some advice on how to start a  conversation with my mom, or even if I should. She told another family member that she wants me to apologize to her, but I don't want the conversation to end up in an argument. I really think she should apologize to me for what she said. Please give me your advice. My sister, her husband, and children are visiting (staying with my mom during vacation) and I haven't seen them yet, due to my mother and I not speaking, and I want to see her and her family before their vacation is finished, and most of all, try to get on speaking terms with my mom again, and find out why it's so easy for her to never want to see me again. I don't know what she told my sister, but  another family member said my sister wonders why I haven't come to visit her at my Mom's house yet. I don't want to start a " he said, she said thing" and get my sister in the middle of it. My mom has put me in that position before, and it worried my sister greatly.

Here's what happened, please give me your best advice:

 About a month ago, my mom and I went out shopping together, and to do some errands. She drove her van, I was the only passenger. (I am 39 years old, married, by the way). We drove into the Wal Mart parking lot, and the space she wanted to park in was partially obstructed by a guy standing outside of an SUV with the door wide open. As my mom started pulling in, he seen her, and started closing his door, but still stood there, talking with the driver of the Black SUV. She said something about not wanting to get her van hit by their door, she didn't want black paint on her light colored van. She told me to watch to make sure we wouldn't hit them, or vice versa. (The black SUV was on my side/passenger side.

What was happening,  was that this SUV had a couple of guys in it, with 1 and a few seconds later another guy(s) standing around it, they were talking with the people inside.  We were in an isle very close to the store, maybe 4 or 5 cars in.

  As I was looking to make sure we didn't hit his door, the guy standing partially closed the driver side door, with the driver sitting in the seat. (Kinda like closing himself in, so my mom could fit in the space). We sat much higher than the SUV, and it was close, but we fit in. Our windows were up, and I told my mom that the guy in the driver seat was measuring some type of drugs out on his lap. I guess that's why the other guy standing stood real close., Then, another guy came up to the SUV on the other side, I don't know where he came from, another car, or out of the store. The point is, that this wasn't a big deal, really, yeah, it's bad to be doing illegal drugs in a public place, but I just said I might tell someone in Wal-Mart. These guys could've been a little smarter, and met at home to do their thing.

 I've seen this happen before, young people dealing drugs in a store parking lot. Where we live, it's not suspicious that way. In other words, if people did this in an empty, out of the way place, they would really stand out to police or whoever. My husband and I seen this happen a few times at our local gas station, right across the street from this Wal Mart.

 Anyhow, when my Mom turned off the van, she said, "We aren't going to get out until they leave, because I don't want black paint on my light colored van." She was afraid that they would run into her when they pulled out because it was such a tight squeeze in that parking area, plus the 2 guys standing right outside the SUV.
So we sat there a minute or two, and I said, "Mom, I don't think they're going to leave anytime soon, they're doing their little drug deal." At this time, the driver was still sitting in his seat, engine OFF, and the guy standing outside his door had opened up the door a little bit more, but was facing the driver, partially blocking the sight of what they were doing, and another guy on the other side of the vehicle, standing  / waiting outside of the vehicle.

  So, my Mom says that she's going to change parking spaces, she didn't want to go into the store and maybe have them pull out and bang up her van. So she pulled out then, and parked behind where we were, just a couple of spaces down. I told her that I thought the management of the store should be told that there's some guys doing there drug measuring/drug deal, whatever, so close to the store where there's family's, kids, babies, and old ladies going inside, walking right by them.

So we went into the store, I told my Mom I'd meet her. (She was going one way, I the other, to different parts of the store.) I went up to a store employee, asked her if there was someone I should tell about what we seen, cause the drug guys were right in front of an outside store camera. She was busy, I waited a bit, not more than 1 minute, finally I told her I had to go get my shopping done, and told her basically what I had seen. She couldn't find a manager right at that moment, for she was watching the do it yourself registers.

I knew that what my mom was getting at the store was going to take much more time than I, so I got what I needed, and on the way to the registers, I hear my name called over the loud speaker of Wal Mart,
 "***  ******, please meet your party at the car"    I was really shocked, because I thought, gosh, mom can't be done shopping and thru the checkout already, we'd only been in the store less than 10 minutes.  So I rushed thru the checkout, went out the door, walked up to my mom's van, and there she was, motor running, half backed out of the parking spot. What ran thru my mind was that maybe someone called her on her cell, maybe my grandma was sick, or something really bad happened.

She rolled down the window a bit, and I was trying to tell her I needed to put my merchandise in the back door of the van ( I bought one of those big plastic boxes), and here she was, half pulled out, cars trying to get by, me trying to put my box in the van.

  I got inside, and she was madder than hell at me. Little to my knowledge, after we separated in the store, she started worrying about those drug guys outside, and worried  that maybe I had called the police on them or that Wal Mart employees had confronted them, and she was scared that they would know it was me to told on them, because they seen me, and scared they would follow us and do something to us.

She told me that she changed her mind about shopping in the store, due to me saying I was going to tell on them, and she just wanted to get the heck out of there. She told me that when she came out of the store, they guys got in their SUV and drove around the parking lot twice and left. She took that as a threat. I questioned her: Did the police show up? NO. Did store employees confront them? NO. Did they say something to my mom? NO Did they act hostile in any way? NO. But the fact that they drove around the whole big Wal Mart parking lot twice,  scared her. Little did she know, was that I don't even know if the management at Wal Mart got the message. And if they did, they might've just marked the time on their cameras to see if they could get a license plate or see what they guys were doing inside of their car. It was really obvious, theses guys weren't shy about their drugs being out in the open, anyway. They probably deserved to be arrested for being so obvious, a worse crime than the drugs they had on them!

  My mom told me to never do that again, that she doesn't want some drug addicts following her home and slitting her throat!   (Big assumption)  She said she doesn't want to be mixed up with drug dealers. She was afraid they would somehow find out where she lives and come and do something to her house or car. (We were shopping 20 miles from the town we both live in). I was kind of stunned, because these guys were nowhere around. She kept speeding a little, and there were hardly any other cars on that stretch of highway. She was saying things like she didn't want the cops at her house. This started out the argument then. Although I only really mildly argued with her for 2 or 3 minutes, because I realized then I needed to calm her down and try to ease her worries.  When we were at the arguing state, I told her that I didn't even think the message got through to any kind of authorities and that I really didn't think the guys got busted, and that we didn't see any cops, and that we didn't see those guys behind us, they weren't chasing us, and I doubt if they would call the cops themselves and say, 2 ladies seen us dealing drugs, and told on us, will you go arrest them?

  Then, when I realized that she was not calming down, I had to put aside my argument of what's right and wrong, what's I would do versus what she would do, and I tried to tell her she was being overly worried. I think that's when she really got mad at me. She said that they would really think we seen what they were doing, and that we SHOULDN'T have changed parking spaces. I said, I wasn't driving, you were, and you were the one who sat there and waited to see if they would go inside before us or leave so that you could make sure they didn't get black paint on your light colored van.  I said something to her, like, "Okay, what if they would  have pulled out and dinged your van with their black SUV, what would've you had done, or said to them, if you're this scared of them?.

Her actions, I think, would have made them more suspicious than anything I did. They had no idea that I told my mom i seen what they were doing, and I didn't stare. And furthermore, they were the ones sitting there in broad daylight with a scale and ziploc baggies and drugs, right in front of the whole parking lot.

I tried to calm her down, and defend myself, but she kept saying "You seen them, and they know you seen them, so they might come after you, and you are in MY van, with Me, and I don't want to be dragged into any situation with any kind of drug dealers." That quote wasn't exact, but pretty much. I kept showing her, look, they aren't behind us, they aren't going to try to track us down, the highlight of their day isn't going to be running home go get on the Internet trying to find out who we are, I'm sure they didn't get our license plate, etc etc etc.  These weren't guys doing a multi-million dollar drug deal in the Wal Mart parking lot. They were 20 something dudes with lots of tats, just selling their dope. That's probably why they drove around the parking lot. They probably park separately, the 2 guys walk up to the dealers' car, then he gives them a lift back to theirs on the other side of the parking lot.

My mom told me that she doesn't get involved when she sees things like that, and she didn't ever want me to call the cops or get into any kind of situation like that when I am with her. She said to me, "Would you do that if you were with your husband or sister?" I said yeah, sure. She was mad, because she felt I was putting her in danger by SAYING to her that I was going to report them. BUT, I NEVER really did get to report them, no cops came, nobody heard or seen me talking to the Wal Mart employee, and those guys probably don't have any idea of what me or my mom look like, they were busy doing their own little thing. It really wasn't a big deal, my goodness just a few guys doing their thing, I'm not against all illegal activity, especially in with the way healthcare is in this country.
   I was confused as to how mad she was, and I felt badly that she kept acting like she didn't want me in her van. We were a good 6 miles away on a stretch of highway that doesn't have much traffic by then, and she was acting as if she was hurrying to get me back to my house to drop me off in the next town, the next county, mind you. So I told her, okay, I won't do anything like that again when I'm with you. But I was still a bit frazzled that she was so darn mad at me, like I had yelled out to the world and to those guys, "Hey, I'm going to tell on you!!!!!" I didn't act that way, or stare at them, or make a big deal, nothing. If anyone made if obvious that we knew something bad about them, she did, by sitting there, then changing parking spots, then announcing my whole name over the speaker at the store, then being in such a hurry to get out of there she was half pulled out while I was putting my merchandise in the van.

Then she said, "My life is screwed up enough without you causing trouble like this, they seen you, they seen you." I told her that I couldn't help it if they seen me, because she TOLD me to look to make sure we fit into the parking space without hitting the guy standing there or his door. So, I said to her, "So you don't want to be seen with me, your own daughter, because a few unimportant guys trading drugs or  whatever know that I MIGHT'VE seen what they were doing?" And she said yes. I said, "HOW Could I have not seen them? I didn't know what I was going to see when we pulled into that parking spot" She said I shouldn't have been looking, but she asked me to look to make sure. This started getting real personal, and I asked her again, that if some situation came up, where I was a witness to something bad, would she avoid me due to the fact that someone might be after me? I didn't like her answer, it hurt my feelings.
And when she said ...her life was already screwed up enough......I said what? you have a good job, a nice house, your health, our family has good health, you have nice grandchildren, what is screwed up about your life?  She got really mad at me, and I said, "Mom, this thing with the guys in the parking lots is NOTHING to worry about, they don't care what we seen, they have no idea that I said to you that I was going to tell Wal Mart on them, so what's wrong, are you trying to find a reason to be mad at me, what's going on, what's happening?" At this point, I was not going to argue with her any longer about this silly situation. I felt that she made a mountain out of a molehill, we were not in any danger, and she wanted to continue arguing about it, and got even more mad because I wouldn't continue to argument.  I made if very clear to her that I would never do anything like that again around her, but that didn't stop her wanting to argue. I even tried to make a light joke out of it, but she continued to want to argue. This argument became more about something else, something other than the guys at Wal Mart. It was so very silly, really. I tried to stop talking about it, tried to apologize, tried to change the subject, but she wanted to argue. I learned a long time ago that it's best to not argue with my Mom, even if I think I'm right. But I also learned in the past, and I'll never forget, the first time I would NOT argue with her, it made her more mad that I wouldn't participate.

So I got out of her van at  stop light near a gas station, and told her I didn't want to argue anymore, so I'm removing myself from the situation.

She never came back, to try to pick me up, I called my grandmother for a ride home, and when I got home there was a message on my answering machine from my Mom, It said, and this is a quote exactly, " ***** (my name), I don't know if Mom  (meaning her mother) told you or not, but I don't ever want to talk to you again, or I don't ever want to see you again for the rest of my damn life, do you hear me?!!!
 I  could only think to myself, that I don't think there is ANYTHING my son could do, to make me say that to him.
I never have stomach or gastrointestinal problems, but I was diagnosed a couple of nights ago in the ER, after being taken by ambulance, with a bleeding ulcer. I still don't know if I believe it, I'm a pretty healthy person, I've worked in healthcare all of my life, and also in the military.

Advice, anyone?
Also, I haven't called my sister, who is only a couple of miles away from me at my mother's house, because I don't want to involve her. Years ago, when my Mom and I or someone else in my family had arguments, my mom would get on the phone to my sister, over 1,000 miles away, and tell her the whole story, then I, or whoever else it concerned, would call my sister, tell her their side, so I am not, and have not, talked to my sister about this situation. My sister told me a long time ago, that it upsets her when she has to hear about silly arguments between our family members when she's so far away. I know that my mom probably called my sister the minute she got home and ranted all about it. But I did not. Now, I hear that my sister is wondering why I haven't contacted her while she's visiting our state. (Usually, I see her every single day she's here). But I'm going to leave it up to her, she knows my number, where I live, and she can call. I know that if I was to contact her, while she's at my mom's, it could potentially cause a big problem, and I don't want to ruin their vacation. Oh, and by the way, before this whole thing started with my mom and I, 3 family members noticed that my mom has been in a very bad mood about the last 3 or 4 months. She was telling my grandmother that she'd better not get sick, because she won't "quit her job to care for her". I'm thinking that maybe I'll never speak to my mother again just for saying something awful like that to her own mother. My grandmother is a great and caring mother and grandmother.

I somehow think that I'm the one who should be mad at my Mom, not the other way around.
What do you think?
Is your Mom going threw Metapause? Maybe that has something to do with how she is acting. I know when My mom went threw it she was just aweful to be around or talk too. It does something to your hormones that makes you crazy.. Angry and just nasty. This seems a bit crazy and she seems very nervous about what you had seen. Paranoid. Sorry about all that. Something is going on with her. More than what happened that day. Good Luck and Let us know how it all works out.  
 

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