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August 20, 2008, 4:00 am PDT
Repairing Broken Relationships
Quote From: afmedic39 I need some advice on how to start a conversation with my mom, or even if I should. She told another family member that
she wants me to apologize to her, but I don't want the conversation to
end up in an argument. I really think she should apologize to me for
what she said. Please give me your advice. My sister, her husband, and
children are visiting (staying with my mom during vacation) and I
haven't seen them yet, due to my mother and I not speaking, and I want
to see her and her family before their vacation is finished, and most
of all, try to get on speaking terms with my mom again, and find out
why it's so easy for her to never want to see me again. I don't know
what she told my sister, but another family member said my sister
wonders why I haven't come to visit her at my Mom's house yet. I don't
want to start a " he said, she said thing" and get my sister in the
middle of it. My mom has put me in that position before, and it worried
my sister greatly.
Here's what happened, please give me your best advice:
About
a month ago, my mom and I went out shopping together, and to do some
errands. She drove her van, I was the only passenger. (I am 39 years
old, married, by the way). We drove into the Wal Mart parking lot, and
the space she wanted to park in was partially obstructed by a guy
standing outside of an SUV with the door wide open. As my mom started
pulling in, he seen her, and started closing his door, but still stood
there, talking with the driver of the Black SUV. She said something
about not wanting to get her van hit by their door, she didn't want
black paint on her light colored van. She told me to watch to make sure
we wouldn't hit them, or vice versa. (The black SUV was on my
side/passenger side.
What was happening, was that this SUV had a
couple of guys in it, with 1 and a few seconds later another guy(s)
standing around it, they were talking with the people inside. We were
in an isle very close to the store, maybe 4 or 5 cars in.
As I
was looking to make sure we didn't hit his door, the guy standing
partially closed the driver side door, with the driver sitting in the
seat. (Kinda like closing himself in, so my mom could fit in the
space). We sat much higher than the SUV, and it was close, but we fit
in. Our windows were up, and I told my mom that the guy in the driver
seat was measuring some type of drugs out on his lap. I guess that's
why the other guy standing stood real close., Then, another guy came up
to the SUV on the other side, I don't know where he came from, another
car, or out of the store. The point is, that this wasn't a big deal, really, yeah, it's bad to be doing illegal drugs in a public place, but I just said I might tell someone in Wal-Mart. These guys could've been a little smarter, and met at home to do their thing.
I've seen this happen before, young
people dealing drugs in a store parking lot. Where we live, it's not
suspicious that way. In other words, if people did this in an empty,
out of the way place, they would really stand out to police or whoever.
My husband and I seen this happen a few times at our local gas station,
right across the street from this Wal Mart.
Anyhow, when my Mom
turned off the van, she said, "We aren't going to get out until they
leave, because I don't want black paint on my light colored van." She
was afraid that they would run into her when they pulled out because it
was such a tight squeeze in that parking area, plus the 2 guys standing
right outside the SUV. So we sat there a minute or two, and I said,
"Mom, I don't think they're going to leave anytime soon, they're doing
their little drug deal." At this time, the driver was still sitting in
his seat, engine OFF, and the guy standing outside his door had opened
up the door a little bit more, but was facing the driver, partially
blocking the sight of what they were doing, and another guy on the
other side of the vehicle, standing / waiting outside of the vehicle.
So, my Mom
says that she's going to change parking spaces, she didn't want to go
into the store and maybe have them pull out and bang up her van. So she
pulled out then, and parked behind where we were, just a couple of
spaces down. I told her that I thought the management of the store
should be told that there's some guys doing there drug measuring/drug
deal, whatever, so close to the store where there's family's, kids,
babies, and old ladies going inside, walking right by them.
So
we went into the store, I told my Mom I'd meet her. (She was going one
way, I the other, to different parts of the store.) I went up to a
store employee, asked her if there was someone I should tell about what
we seen, cause the drug guys were right in front of an outside store camera. She was
busy, I waited a bit, not more than 1 minute, finally I told her I had
to go get my shopping done, and told her basically what I had seen. She
couldn't find a manager right at that moment, for she was watching the
do it yourself registers.
I knew that what my mom was getting at
the store was going to take much more time than I, so I got what I
needed, and on the way to the registers, I hear my name called over the
loud speaker of Wal Mart, "*** ******, please meet your party at the
car" I was really shocked, because I thought, gosh, mom can't be done
shopping and thru the checkout already, we'd only been in the store
less than 10 minutes. So I rushed thru the checkout, went out the
door, walked up to my mom's van, and there she was, motor running, half
backed out of the parking spot. What ran thru my mind was that maybe
someone called her on her cell, maybe my grandma was sick, or something
really bad happened.
She rolled down the window a bit, and I was
trying to tell her I needed to put my merchandise in the back door of
the van ( I bought one of those big plastic boxes), and here she was,
half pulled out, cars trying to get by, me trying to put my box in the
van.
I got inside, and she was madder than hell at me. Little to
my knowledge, after we separated in the store, she started worrying
about those drug guys outside, and worried that maybe I had called the
police on them or that Wal Mart employees had confronted them, and she
was scared that they would know it was me to told on them, because they
seen me, and scared they would follow us and do something to us.
She
told me that she changed her mind about shopping in the store, due to
me saying I was going to tell on them, and she just wanted to get the
heck out of there. She told me that when she came out of the store,
they guys got in their SUV and drove around the parking lot twice and
left. She took that as a threat. I questioned her: Did the police show
up? NO. Did store employees confront them? NO. Did they say something
to my mom? NO Did they act hostile in any way? NO. But the fact that
they drove around the whole big Wal Mart parking lot twice, scared her.
Little did she know, was that I don't even know if the management at
Wal Mart got the message. And if they did, they might've just marked
the time on their cameras to see if they could get a license plate or
see what they guys were doing inside of their car. It was really
obvious, theses guys weren't shy about their drugs being out in the
open, anyway. They probably deserved to be arrested for being so obvious, a worse crime than the drugs they had on them!
My mom told me to never do that again, that she
doesn't want some drug addicts following her home and slitting her
throat! (Big assumption) She said she doesn't want to be mixed up with drug dealers. She
was afraid they would somehow find out where she lives and come and do
something to her house or car. (We were shopping 20 miles from the town
we both live in). I was kind of stunned, because these guys were
nowhere around. She kept speeding a little, and there were hardly any
other cars on that stretch of highway. She was saying things like she
didn't want the cops at her house. This started out the argument then.
Although I only really mildly argued with her for 2 or 3 minutes,
because I realized then I needed to calm her down and try to ease her
worries. When we were at the arguing state, I told her that I didn't
even think the message got through to any kind of authorities and that
I really didn't think the guys got busted, and that we didn't see any
cops, and that we didn't see those guys behind us, they weren't chasing
us, and I doubt if they would call the cops themselves and say, 2
ladies seen us dealing drugs, and told on us, will you go arrest them?
Then, when I realized that she was not calming down, I had to put aside
my argument of what's right and wrong, what's I would do versus what
she would do, and I tried to tell her she was being overly worried. I
think that's when she really got mad at me. She said that they would
really think we seen what they were doing, and that we SHOULDN'T have
changed parking spaces. I said, I wasn't driving, you were, and you
were the one who sat there and waited to see if they would go inside
before us or leave so that you could make sure they didn't get black
paint on your light colored van. I said something to her, like, "Okay,
what if they would have pulled out and dinged your van with their
black SUV, what would've you had done, or said to them, if you're this
scared of them?.
Her actions, I think, would have made them more
suspicious than anything I did. They had no idea that I told my mom i
seen what they were doing, and I didn't stare. And furthermore, they
were the ones sitting there in broad daylight with a scale and ziploc
baggies and drugs, right in front of the whole parking lot.
I
tried to calm her down, and defend myself, but she kept saying "You
seen them, and they know you seen them, so they might come after you,
and you are in MY van, with Me, and I don't want to be dragged into any
situation with any kind of drug dealers." That quote wasn't exact, but
pretty much. I kept showing her, look, they aren't behind us, they
aren't going to try to track us down, the highlight of their day isn't
going to be running home go get on the Internet trying to find out who
we are, I'm sure they didn't get our license plate, etc etc etc. These
weren't guys doing a multi-million dollar drug deal in the Wal Mart
parking lot. They were 20 something dudes with lots of tats, just
selling their dope. That's probably why they drove around the parking
lot. They probably park separately, the 2 guys walk up to the dealers'
car, then he gives them a lift back to theirs on the other side of the
parking lot.
My mom told me that she doesn't get involved when
she sees things like that, and she didn't ever want me to call the cops
or get into any kind of situation like that when I am with her. She
said to me, "Would you do that if you were with your husband or
sister?" I said yeah, sure. She was mad, because she felt I was putting
her in danger by SAYING to her that I was going to report them. BUT, I
NEVER really did get to report them, no cops came, nobody heard or seen
me talking to the Wal Mart employee, and those guys probably don't have
any idea of what me or my mom look like, they were busy doing their own
little thing. It really wasn't a big deal, my goodness just a few guys doing their thing, I'm not against all illegal activity, especially in with the way healthcare is in this country. I was confused as to how mad she was, and I felt
badly that she kept acting like she didn't want me in her van. We were
a good 6 miles away on a stretch of highway that doesn't have much
traffic by then, and she was acting as if she was hurrying to get me
back to my house to drop me off in the next town, the next county, mind
you. So I told her, okay, I won't do anything like that again when I'm
with you. But I was still a bit frazzled that she was so darn mad at
me, like I had yelled out to the world and to those guys, "Hey, I'm
going to tell on you!!!!!" I didn't act that way, or stare at them, or
make a big deal, nothing. If anyone made if obvious that we knew
something bad about them, she did, by sitting there, then changing
parking spots, then announcing my whole name over the speaker at the
store, then being in such a hurry to get out of there she was half
pulled out while I was putting my merchandise in the van.
Then
she said, "My life is screwed up enough without you causing trouble
like this, they seen you, they seen you." I told her that I couldn't
help it if they seen me, because she TOLD me to look to make sure we
fit into the parking space without hitting the guy standing there or
his door. So, I said to her, "So you don't want to be seen with me,
your own daughter, because a few unimportant guys trading drugs or
whatever know that I MIGHT'VE seen what they were doing?" And she said
yes. I said, "HOW Could I have not seen them? I didn't know what I was
going to see when we pulled into that parking spot" She said I
shouldn't have been looking, but she asked me to look to make sure.
This started getting real personal, and I asked her again, that if some
situation came up, where I was a witness to something bad, would she
avoid me due to the fact that someone might be after me? I didn't like
her answer, it hurt my feelings. And when she said ...her life was
already screwed up enough......I said what? you have a good job, a nice
house, your health, our family has good health, you have nice
grandchildren, what is screwed up about your life? She got really mad
at me, and I said, "Mom, this thing with the guys in the parking lots
is NOTHING to worry about, they don't care what we seen, they have no
idea that I said to you that I was going to tell Wal Mart on them, so
what's wrong, are you trying to find a reason to be mad at me, what's
going on, what's happening?" At this point, I was not going to argue
with her any longer about this silly situation. I felt that she made a
mountain out of a molehill, we were not in any danger, and she wanted
to continue arguing about it, and got even more mad because I wouldn't
continue to argument. I made if very clear to her that I would never do anything like that again around her, but that didn't stop her wanting to argue. I even tried to make a light joke out of it, but she continued to want to argue. This argument became more about something else, something other than the guys at Wal Mart. It was so very silly, really. I tried to stop talking about it, tried to apologize, tried to change the subject, but she wanted to argue. I learned a long time ago that it's best to not argue with my Mom, even if I think I'm right. But I also learned in the past, and I'll never forget, the first time I would NOT argue with her, it made her more mad that I wouldn't participate.
So I got out of her van at stop light near a gas
station, and told her I didn't want to argue anymore, so I'm removing
myself from the situation.
She never came back, to try to pick
me up, I called my grandmother for a ride home, and when I got home
there was a message on my answering machine from my Mom, It said, and
this is a quote exactly, " ***** (my name), I don't know if Mom (meaning her
mother) told you or not, but I don't ever want to talk to you again, or
I don't ever want to see you again for the rest of my damn life, do you
hear me?!!! I could only think to myself, that I don't think there is ANYTHING my son could do, to make me say that to him. I
never have stomach or gastrointestinal problems, but I was diagnosed a
couple of nights ago in the ER, after being taken by ambulance, with a
bleeding ulcer. I still don't know if I believe it, I'm a pretty
healthy person, I've worked in healthcare all of my life, and also in the military.
Advice, anyone? Also, I haven't called my sister, who is only a couple of miles away from me at my mother's house, because I don't want to involve her. Years ago, when my Mom and I or someone else in my family had arguments, my mom would get on the phone to my sister, over 1,000 miles away, and tell her the whole story, then I, or whoever else it concerned, would call my sister, tell her their side, so I am not, and have not, talked to my sister about this situation. My sister told me a long time ago, that it upsets her when she has to hear about silly arguments between our family members when she's so far away. I know that my mom probably called my sister the minute she got home and ranted all about it. But I did not. Now, I hear that my sister is wondering why I haven't contacted her while she's visiting our state. (Usually, I see her every single day she's here). But I'm going to leave it up to her, she knows my number, where I live, and she can call. I know that if I was to contact her, while she's at my mom's, it could potentially cause a big problem, and I don't want to ruin their vacation. Oh, and by the way, before this whole thing started with my mom and I, 3 family members noticed that my mom has been in a very bad mood about the last 3 or 4 months. She was telling my grandmother that she'd better not get sick, because she won't "quit her job to care for her". I'm thinking that maybe I'll never speak to my mother again just for saying something awful like that to her own mother. My grandmother is a great and caring mother and grandmother. I somehow think that I'm the one who should be mad at my Mom, not the other way around. What do you think? Is your Mom going threw Metapause? Maybe that has something to do with how she is acting. I know when My mom went threw it she was just aweful to be around or talk too. It does something to your hormones that makes you crazy.. Angry and just nasty. This seems a bit crazy and she seems very nervous about what you had seen. Paranoid. Sorry about all that. Something is going on with her. More than what happened that day. Good Luck and Let us know how it all works out.
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