Topic : 01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

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How well do you think you know your neighbors, your friends and even your child's teacher? It is estimated that four to eight million people in North America are swinging in the suburbs -- mostly middle-class folks from all walks of life. Dr. Phil gives you a closer look at who these couples are who engage in sex with other twosomes. First up, Nita and Walter have been swinging for the last 12 years. They say they are happy in the lifestyle, so why does it cause tension in their relationship? Then, Brent says he has a strong yearning for he and his wife, Renee, to participate in a threesome. Renee says the idea disgusts her, but worries that if she refuses to join in, Brent will leave her. They fight constantly, often dragging their 17-year-old son into the middle of their chaos. Brent says he thinks about having threesomes every other day, but says that his desire is normal. What does Dr. Phil think? And, Dr. Phil viewers weigh in and share their thoughts about the swinging lifestyle. Join the discussion.

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January 26, 2008, 7:03 am PST

Funfriends

First let me say that we are happy that Dr. Phil pointed out the couple where the wife had a major problem because her husband was forcing her to have a threesome, that was not a sexual problem at all instead it was a selfish problem on the husbands part. In the lifestyle we call these kinds of couples Drama couples. Both the husband and the wife absolutely 100% have to be willing to swing and be in agreement with not only who you do it with but what you do. Anything less is just pure drama..!

My wife and I have been in the lifestyle for around 7 years now happily married for 12 years and together for 13 ½ years. We have been a Full Swap Couple right from the very start of our lifestyle experience.

There are many misconceptions about the lifestyle. Many people think that people do this because they are not satisfied with their partners and that they cannot be further from the truth. We are completely sexually satisfied with each other. However, the lifestyle does offer enhancements to sex.

Many of the people that make comments thinking that the lifestyle is only about sex and all we do is have sex are so completely wrong. The majority of the time you spend in the lifestyle you don’t do anything other than be around like minded friends and possibly some friendly flirt. Now yes we lifestyle people do have sex with others but less frequent than you may think especially if you care about who you are having sex with as well as making sure that there is a true 4 way chemistry and all partners are 100%  comfortable.

Variety is the spice of life. It’s not about who is better at this or that and along the way you can actually learn some things from others that make you just that much better at sex. In a country where 37% of husbands and 27% of wives admit to having affairs and divorce rates soaring too nearly 60% we have to now ask ourselves the question why?

Most of us in the lifestyle do not have to cheat and we in fact have a very special honest relationship with each other. We can at the highest level of intimacy, we communicate to our spouses what our fantasy and desires are and actually fulfill them because we understand the difference between love and sex.  To truly love someone you want to be able to make them happy in every way possible. If sexual fantasy is one of the ways that brings joy to your partner then why not do it.

Most people will just say no and make excuses for moral values when in reality the insecurity and fear actually lies within themselves. We have no fear in our relationship because we communicate at the highest levels possible. We hide nothing from each other and share everything.

Because many people have been conditioned by our cultures we tend to feel that having sex with others while married is wrong. These same very people will rent porno’s in secret and cheat and/or find other ways to relieve their sexual urges or just become sexually frustrated. While we may be human none of us can deny the science that we are in fact animals. Those animal like desires to want variety is within all of us. Weather we choose admit it or act on it or not is a completely different thing.

Someone said something about being married and it was not right to want somebody else after you been married. So basically I guess you are supposed to just turn off who you are as a human. NOT…! The problem in our opinion why so many people are find themselves in a divorce that are not in the lifestyle when cheating is that instead of looking at sex for what it is SEX. They feel the need to sneak around and cheat and then build an intimate relationship bond with the other person to justify why they are having this sex. Ultimately these people them become attached instead of just have sex and as a result the divorce rate climbs and families are torn apart every day and in most cases the cycle just repeats itself years down the road yet again.

Watching each other have sex with another person actually enhances our already good sexual relationship because we see each other being desired by another person. It makes you want your spouse even more as you know they are highly desired.

As a bonus you tend to stay in better shape, pay more attention to your overall looks and continue to feel young and by the way beer belly guys that is a plus for your wife. Same is true for the pastry eating coach potato wives.  It’s a new year, join a gym, start eating healthier and begin to feel better about yourselves. You can do it…! I know you can..!

Ten years ago if someone asked us if we thought about being a swinger we would have said hell know, you got to be kidding me. Why because at that point in our life we were not as secure with ourselves and were ignorant to what swinging is all about. Today it’s just what we do and it’s a hell of lot of fun even when we are not having sex with others because you can just be yourself without the worry of others judging who you are.

Many people find themselves wanting to become a swinger and then attempt to do as the drama couple on the Dr. Phil show and find that pushing their spouses ends up with bad results. If you have thought about wanting to be a swinger then it’s something you gradually introduce through communication with each other about fantasies. This can sometimes take years before each of you are truly open and honest with each other. But forcing yourself or a spouse is just plain wrong…! The lifestyle is about communicating and having fun together force feeding will get you no place.

Now I will address the moral issues that some feel there are. There is an unlimited amount of religions in this world and I have studied many that claim or pretend to have life’s answers to the world. All over the world everybody has a different belief system they have adopted. Most times it’s based on our upbringing. There are also thousands of different translations and interpretations for each of them. Most people that throw out the religion card or moral card have no real understanding for the origination of their own beliefs. As much as we would all love to believe the way we believe is the one and only true way. At the end of the day it all comes down to what you do as an individual believe and feel comfortable with. If the planet could just get that. Then perhaps we would have fewer disagreements, less war and more love to go around.

So what I am saying to all that read this. I am not trying to convince you to be a swinger. That is something for you decide and you only to decide. But more importantly I am however trying to convince you to not be judgmental especially if you really don’t know how the insides of swinging really work and how the majority not all but the majority of swingers are.

In closing, I love my wife from the very bottom of my heart and there is absolutely nobody that is going to replace her because I don’t look at sex as being the only factor that holds our relationship together and she feels absolutely the same as I do. If either of us were to find somebody that satisfied us sexually more than each other and that has not happened yet. Instead of taking the negative approach and think that how are we to compete. We would instead take the approach how the heck did they do that and learn from it. Our love and our bond goes well beyond just sex!

But let me say this. Most times when you think something is going to be greener on the other side of the hill you often find that it really is not and nobody knows you like your own spouse. But it’s fun to let them try:-)

Swinging is not for everyone and that is ok. Not all types of swinging is for everyone either. For anyone wanting to learn more about swinging here is a good website. http://www.swingershandbook.com/

Xoxoxox

Funfriends

 
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January 26, 2008, 7:10 am PST

Don't Do It

After watching this episode, I had to register and share my experience...My husband and I have been married for 19 years, I have never cheated and have never even thought about it.  He has always been a bit jealous, so to be asked to do something like I did, was unnerving to me, and had I been a stronger person, maybe I could have kept it all from happening.  After a night of spending time with friends and yes, having a bit much to drink, we ended up at a couples house.  My heart was trying to tell me what was about to happen, but my mind knew that my husband had always dropped hints and after a brief conversation with him, I could tell that he wanted to continue with the reason that we were there...my comment to him was "you know what is fixing to happen, right" and he got that sparkle in his eyes, and I felt like I couldn't escape, so along I went.....I was numb, my eyes were closed and all I could do was think of something else.  In my mind I was not there, I tried to push all the thoughts away, but then became that little girl who had had some horrible experiences as a child, and after years of pushing them out of my mind, they all came back again.  To make a long story short, my husband in the middle of all of this, all of a sudden stands up, and slaps me across the face, and tells me this was all my idea and he hopes I'm happy for what has just gone on!  It has been over a year but that night still haunts the both of us, our love for each other has never been the same.  I still feel like he thinks that it was all my idea, and now I find myself going out of my way to please him and never turn him away, because I don't want him to assume that I am thinking of someone else.  So to all of you that think that it is all in fun and nobody will get hurt, think again, someone always gets hurt.  This could have ruined the marriage that I have worked so hard to keep.  Please rethink this thing before you even consider it.  As someone before stated, a REAL man, only wants his one woman, and the same thing goes for the woman, a REAL woman only wants her one man.
 
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January 26, 2008, 7:22 am PST

01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

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I wanted to leave a message for Renee. I saw the show yesterday and can't get your face out of my mind. You looked so sad, in so much pain and alone. I just wanted to say that you're not alone. We've all experienced the same sadness, pain and loneliness at some point in our lives. There's a beautiful, peaceful world waiting for you out there, filled with warm, caring, and trustworthy people. I know you can't see it right now, but it's there. With some help - Dr. Phil, some counceling, and some really good girlfriends, you can set your feet on that path. Every step on that path get's you closer. Like I said, your going to need helpers - everybody needs helpers on there own path. And, you're going to need a good imagination to picture that place every day.

Just know, I'll be thinking of you on your journey. Please send us a postcard!

Sister in spirit from Chicago
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January 26, 2008, 7:29 am PST

comments on show on Swingers

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People who swing have ultra low self esteem and turn to activities that lower that esteem even more.

regarding the swinging lifestyle;  just more evidence that the world has gone bonkers.  I agree that people who swing are immature, & have low self-esteem.  More than that I believe it is part of an ADDICTION that begins with porn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
 
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January 26, 2008, 7:29 am PST

01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

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Like I said before, I love diversity in the world.....but swinging isn't part of the diversity.  It is an amorral lifestyle.....don't try to tell me that you have a real marriage.  The thought of you thinking it is real offends me.
Wow.  You must get offended very easy! 

You should probably be careful about all that anger and easily offended feelings.  Its a good way to give yourself an ulcer.


 
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January 26, 2008, 7:33 am PST

PIMPING HIS WIFE

This guy is nothing but a pimp. The fact that it is his wife and he thinks swinging is a great way of life is not relevent. Because she is not willing. He is using her love for him, her love for her family and her fear of loosing him to bully her into somthing he damn well knows is crushing her emotionally.
The fact he sat on the show and pretended to care is discusting..He does not . She said it was just two weeks ago he was badgering her again proves it..He knows what he is knows what he appears to be and didn't want the nation thinking that way about him..He is without a dought selfish and not worth wasting another miniute of her love on.
 
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January 26, 2008, 7:34 am PST

Might have thought about it

 But that's as far as it goes.  Everyone has fantasies  at some level or another, however that doesn't necessarily mean that we need to act on them. I love my husband very much, we have a very active sex life it would hurt me if my husband even suggested bringing a third person into the mix. I feel sorry for the women on the show with the insensitive jerk for a husband. My heart goes out to her. I hope she finds the strength inside herself and realizes that she is a beautiful human being and doesn't deserve to live and be treated like she has been. I also have to say, shame on her for involving her children. As parents we are supposed to protect our children, not expose them to stuff such as this.
 
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January 26, 2008, 7:38 am PST

I have done it .. here is my story..mostly bad for a marriage

 

 

 

Let me start with... I am the hidden, suburb, stay at home mom that agreed to it.

   It was not my idea but i said ok.  We have been married for 13 years ..and was in the lifestyle for 12. 

 I say was.. because I am at a standstill on this matter.

 

We started simply enough. Talking dirty during sex.  Then it progressed from there into fantacies.  Have you ever thought about this and that . It was a complete turn on useing your imagination to have sex.  After a year of that we found out online that they have a "secret club" (1/2 bar 1/2 hotel ) to go to for couples to experiment privately in different theme rooms. As well as just a bar atmosphere. All under one roof.

It was really nice ! Big bar and dance area, Huge Hot tub, steam rooms sauna .. you name it ..at least 10,000 sqft of luxuary and eye candy.

Well,  we were hooked instantly.  And then we made rules. Don't do this and don't do that.  ( Those rules go out the window one by one over the years)  And with that comes the price for the sin.

 

It all was mutual. Every bit of it from all parites. But it comes at a price in my opinion. You loose something in your marriage. In your personal intimacy.

 

Well that all I am going to say about that.

 

No where Indiana...  

 

 

 

 

 
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January 26, 2008, 7:42 am PST

No Judgement

Whether or not people participate in this kind of activity is no business of mine.  But, this husband is so uncaring towards his wife makes me wonder how much he REALLY loves her.  This is such a one-sided relationship, I feel sorry for the wife who is being presured by her husband to do something that she doesn't want to do.  What is he thinking?  If she could find the courage to stand up to him what would happen?  Would he leave her, or would he stay and resent her, or would he understand and respect her needs and wishes?  Whichever it may be, she would be in a better place and be able to hold her head high.  And, maybe, she would gain some self-respect and self-esteem.
 

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January 26, 2008, 7:42 am PST

WHO MADE THIS

I am continually amazed at how people can "justify" wrong behavior in their lives, and somehow come out thinking it is "ok".  With the numbers being so high, regarding the percentage of "swingers" amongst married couples, I am now curious HOW many of these people actually attend church?  I am disgusted by how many of these people walk into church every Sunday, praising God, then walk out knowing they are justifying this behavior somehow. 

 

Grant it, none of us are free from sin but to make an outright deliberate move to be in and around this lifestyle is terrible.  THEN to expose children to this on ANY level, is a crime!

 

The show was very informative, and opened my eyes. 

 
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