Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 1:05 pm PDT

unbelievable

I think Gloria Allred is all wrong. I understand that the child should not have been told in this way, however, the mother is in the wrong and should suffer the consequences of her mistakes. What was she thinking? The fact that she laughed and smiled showed us all that she thinks she is above the law. I can't believe how arrogant and smug she was. Unfortunately, the damage has been done. The mother should get another job and start paying for her daughter's support. She should also be charged with lying and have to do community service. She should be ashamed of herself. I hope the young girl doesn't end up paying for her mother's grave diservice to her. Gloria Allred is disgusting. Right is right, wrong is wrong.
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:05 pm PDT

both of these "adults" should be ashamed

I think both of the parents acted very selfishly. No wonder that little girl doesn't know what to think!! I don't believe the mother should have lied to her husband but he shouldnt have cut that beautiful girl out of his life. If you ask me that little girl is too good for either of them. Its amazing how she shows such maturity and resiliencity in spite of such an ugly situation. I wish her the best!!
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:05 pm PDT

I think it's wrong!!!

First of all, the mother should be held accountable in some way shape or form!!! She's the one that started the whole thing to begin with. She lied, cheated and totally abused the marriage in the first place. Why isn't SHE being punished in all this??? Next, if a man doesn't KNOW that his wife cheated on him, how in the world would he suspect his "child" not being his own??? In my opinion, when a man is deceived by who is really a child's father, he should NOT have to pay child support once he does find out. I think he should have the right to CHOOSE if he continues to pay or not WITHOUT penalty. He should also be allowed to remain in the child's life as an active figure if the CHILD so chooses and he should not have to pay to continue the relationship. He was clearly wronged into thinking he was the father and if he  has proof he isn't, then the mother should be punised and that man should have free rain to choose his destiny with the child. Money doesn't have to be the issue. IF the man is not the father and he doesn't wish to continue paying for another man's child, BUT he wants to continue the relationship with the child he should be allowed to do that. (Afterall, didn't Ms. Allred state that the child was the one needing the attention??? What has that got to do with the man continuing to be deleted of his money after finding out he's not the father??) The child can still be the main focus, but the man shouldn't be punished for a deceptive mother!
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:06 pm PDT

Thank you!

Quote From: jennguerra

Hi,

My name is Jenn  and i just want to give a character testimonial for Mia. I met Mia in our seminary school and i have had the privilege of sitting besides her and working together on our readings and just figuring our 'stuff' out. She is a wonderful person. She is ethical and kind and doesn't seek out to hurt anyone. It is truly shocking to me to read some of these posts. How can people pass such judgment when they don't know Mia personally or Enrique. No one really knows the truth except the people involved. It is my wish that everyone find peace in their lives and people stop blaming each other and look for the change within themselves. Good luck to everyone...And now i leave you with my favorite poem that seems fitting today..Enjoy!!

People are often unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered.
Forgive them anyway.

If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives.
Be kind anyway.

If you are successful you will win some false friends and true enemies.
Succeed anyway.

If you are honest and frank, people may cheat you.
Be honest and frank anyway.

What you spend years building, someone could destroy overnight.
Build anyway.

If you find serenity and happiness, they may be jealous.
Be happy anyway.

The good you do today, people will often forget tomorrow.
Do good anyway.

Give the world the best you have, and it may never be enough.
Give the world the best you've got anyway.

You see, in the end, it is between you and God;
it was never between you and them anyway.

Thanks, Jenn!
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:07 pm PDT

Unbelievable!

How can these actions be ok and not go unpunished? A woman who would do that should be held accountable for something. yes granted that man should not have gone about things in the way that he did, and that poor child should not have had to go through that. however it is not ok that Gloria (the attorney) did not address that at all. it was as if once she thought that she was loosing  in the eyes of the audience she decided to change the subject to something that did not concern this issue. yes many men do not pay their child support, but that has NOTHING to do with this family.
 

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October 29, 2007, 1:07 pm PDT

Unfair

I myself had a daughter over 32 years ago. I never went to her father and asked for money. I was the one whom chose to have sex with this man and chose not to let him know he was a father. I know I was not right for this but I still servived without his help. My daughter knows who her father is and makes her own choice on what time to spend with him. He is the one whom choses not to keep up with her.  Because she does not do things his way, they have an off relationship. Their choice. If a man is told he is a father to a child he is not sure of, the first thing he should do is get the DNA test. This way you dont pay for what you did not make.
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:08 pm PDT

AGH!!

First of all, anytime I see Gloria Alred, a red flag goes up.  She is the epitome of an ambulance chaser, thrusting herself into the spotlight any time she can.

 

Secondly, although the father should not have handled things the way he did, I can imagine his shock at finding out the truth.  I can also feel his pain and can understand how he felt so hurt he wanted to inflict some hurt to his ex wife. 

 

Lastly, the "mother" and I shudder to even call her that, should have her head examined.  She was laughing and smirking through the whole show as if she bore no responsibility at all.  I can't believe she has the audacity to sue this man.  She is the one who caused all the trouble.

 

I hope that Enrique can have some kind of relationship with both the girls, away from the mother.  I hope time will heal all their wounds inflicted by that selfish woman.

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:09 pm PDT

I will never stop thanking God!

Quote From: no_justice

I have no idea who Carnell Smith or Gloria Allred is, but it sounds like both of them need to do what most judges and attorneys in Chancery Court need to do. (For those who are not familiar with injustice that means they need to get their head out of their crack.) I hope Enrique no longer has to pay child support to a child that is not his biological child. I hope the mother of that child has to return every penny of illegal child support she stole from Enrique. I hope the mother gets the child support her child deserves from the biological father, who should have been paying child support from the very beginning if he is alive and able to do so. Every man that has been paying child support to a child that is not his biological child should sue Gloria Allred and people similar to her to send a message that men who are not the biological father of a child should not have to continue the lie of being the biological father and they should not have to continue paying for a child that is not their biological child. Once a man has discovered that he is not the biological father of a child and he still wants to be a father to that child and pay child support to the child he should be allowed to do so of his own choice and he should be commended for doing an honorable deed. And that child should thank him for it and be grateful that he or she has a man like him in his or her life.

This paragraph is in response to the first 5 messages posted on October 27, 2007 by Princess1, lovthesand1, vixiex, joyklein and archladydi respectively. In some states the child can sue the biological father, after the age of 18 years, and get the child support money he or she did not receive. Be glad the biological father was not in your sons life and stop thanking god and thank your husband for being who he is and hopefully your son is grateful for having a real man in his life. In the real world and in America women do NOT have an advantage over men. Any man who is being "accused" of being the biological father of a child should immediately request a DNA test if he is in doubt. If he does not then he must want to pay child support for a child that is not his biological child. And if a man does not want any children, he can always get a vasectomy and prevent future children he does not want to be responsible for. I agree, fathers are more than a checkbook, but for those who are not fathers they can be good providers and the woman and the mans biological child should be grateful for that at least. If two people want a special bond to remain in tack, they will ignore that lack of biology and continue the love that was meant to be and be grateful for one another. Women do ask for DNA test. If a man truly wants to know if a child is his biological child he will take the DNA test or request it himself. Women who know that a man is not the father and just flat out lie should be legally prosecuted in some way. Maybe not jail, unless it is an absolute last resort, but punishment is definitely in order. And I hope all men falsely accused can some day find peace. Again, a man can request a DNA test and should if he feels he is not the biological father. I, personally, am sick and tired of hearing about the rights of mothers and fathers. I want to hear about the rights of children. No one is fighting for their rights. What do the children want? Who do the children want to live with? When will the children be listened too. The children should go to the parent that is emotionally capable of raising the child in a stable loving environment. If the child is happy where he or she is, leave him or her where he or she is. And the father should not get a free pass from his responsibilities. Lying and dodging responsibility is not acceptable from either biological parent.

I know I will miss a good show that day and I probably will not be able to read any more comments after today, but I wish you all well.

I know in this  P.C. world it is not popular to thank God for your blessings, but I will NOT stop thanking him for putting the wonderful man in my life who has chosen to be my son's dad.
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:09 pm PDT

the lying mother

I can see how this child is hurt but also the dad and yes he was wrong the way he handle it BUt put blame where blame should go to the Mother that thought it was ok to cheat and lie not just to her husband but to her own child she the blame and selena should be upset with her mom not her dad and where the real dad  someone should tell him and no he should not have to pay support and yes he should fine away to make peace with selena The MOTHER IS WRONG.
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:09 pm PDT

fathers rghts are diregarded...

Quote From: vixiex

Fathers are more than a checkbook.  I don't think he should have to pay if he isn't the biological father - especially since he's been lied to this whole time.  HOWEVER, if he's raised this child and is the Dad that the child knows - I would assume there is love between the two of them.  That relationship should continue. 

 

Biology has less to do with parenthood than love, trust, teaching and caring that comes from that relationship.  "Anyone can be a father - but it takes someone special to be a Dad"

 

Just my 2 cents.

As an ardent feminist I have become increasingly frustrated over the years w/the lack of frank discussion at the fact that some women DO in fact contribute horribly to the various outcomes for children conceived and later involved in either custody or paternity cases. Women who either fraudulently ID men as fathers or intentionally get pregnant and then use children as pawns for more money or revenge MUST suffer consequences in order to at least begin reducing the tragedies.

 

The family court systems are antiquated and continue to favor women... YES -ultimately we must have more concern for the kids BUT let's start leveling the playing field for men so that these issues stop setting the stage for kids to have screwed up futures.

 
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