Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 2:17 pm PDT

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If A Dna Test was done at birth then parents could not lie to each other to begin with. My brother has payed child support on a child that was conceived while he was in jail. courts refused a DNA order when he got out , saying it was too late , Some courts don't seem to care who the parents are as long as someone is paying and  the case is closed. I also knew a woman that has several children from several men and gets child support from each of the fathers she lives a good life on her monthly checks,Why should law relies on a woman's word alone. as is now a woman can go in file child support on a child and name a man , then the state yells they have to pay.  What makes her word the truth?
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:17 pm PDT

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I am appalled by the decisions the california family court makes.  They always favor the mother whether she is right or wrong.  Enrique should not be required to pay child support and should have the option to voluntarily visit with this girl if she chooses to do so.  Why is it okay in the court's eyes that mothers lie, commit perjury and worse and it is always understandable?  Our son recently went through a custody trial where his wife took their child across the country, moved in with her parents, and commited perjury in New York State to prevent him from filing in CA courts to have the child returned.  All of this was proven in the trial along with parent evaluations that showed both parents to be loving and competent.  What do you think happened?  The mother is allowed to stay on the other coast and have the child the majority of the year (school year) even though the judge stated she would give 50% custody to each if they were living in the same area.  In addition our son was ordered to pay child support he can not afford.  His bills actually exceed his income.  His ex is still living with her parents and admittedly is using the chld support to pay off her attorney's fees, while we are paying for our son's and we have to pay her child support since he doesn't bring in enough money to even pay it.  There is no justice in the california court system for fathers and I think that's horrible.  When are they going to wake up?
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:17 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

Yes, I understand that the mother had no right to lie to enrique, however Enrique should be ashamed of himself for what he has done to his daughter.  You don't have to be the biological father to be a father.  He needs to make up his mind.  He doesn't want to be the father, but he doesn't want the new step father to adopt.  Hey buddy you can't have it both ways.  For the trouble making wife of Enrique's   BUTT OUT!!!  This is not about you and proving who is right, it is about the daughter.  Does she even care what she has done to this poor girl? 
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:17 pm PDT

The parent that traps the other parent

 Todays show was disturbing how a woman could trap a innocent man into believing that he was the father of another man's child. Married or not married there is no excuse for this behavior. I do not believe he has any financial responsibility to this child. At this point it should be up to the mother to locate and notify the real father instead of trying to rope another innocent man into being an adopted father.

 

Mom you need to grow up and stop trying to get innocent men to take on your responsibility.

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:17 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I have no idea who Carnell Smith or Gloria Allred is, but it sounds like both of them need to do what most judges and attorneys in Chancery Court need to do. (For those who are not familiar with injustice that means they need to get their head out of their crack.) I hope Enrique no longer has to pay child support to a child that is not his biological child. I hope the mother of that child has to return every penny of illegal child support she stole from Enrique. I hope the mother gets the child support her child deserves from the biological father, who should have been paying child support from the very beginning if he is alive and able to do so. Every man that has been paying child support to a child that is not his biological child should sue Gloria Allred and people similar to her to send a message that men who are not the biological father of a child should not have to continue the lie of being the biological father and they should not have to continue paying for a child that is not their biological child. Once a man has discovered that he is not the biological father of a child and he still wants to be a father to that child and pay child support to the child he should be allowed to do so of his own choice and he should be commended for doing an honorable deed. And that child should thank him for it and be grateful that he or she has a man like him in his or her life.

This paragraph is in response to the first 5 messages posted on October 27, 2007 by Princess1, lovthesand1, vixiex, joyklein and archladydi respectively. In some states the child can sue the biological father, after the age of 18 years, and get the child support money he or she did not receive. Be glad the biological father was not in your sons life and stop thanking god and thank your husband for being who he is and hopefully your son is grateful for having a real man in his life. In the real world and in America women do NOT have an advantage over men. Any man who is being "accused" of being the biological father of a child should immediately request a DNA test if he is in doubt. If he does not then he must want to pay child support for a child that is not his biological child. And if a man does not want any children, he can always get a vasectomy and prevent future children he does not want to be responsible for. I agree, fathers are more than a checkbook, but for those who are not fathers they can be good providers and the woman and the mans biological child should be grateful for that at least. If two people want a special bond to remain in tack, they will ignore that lack of biology and continue the love that was meant to be and be grateful for one another. Women do ask for DNA test. If a man truly wants to know if a child is his biological child he will take the DNA test or request it himself. Women who know that a man is not the father and just flat out lie should be legally prosecuted in some way. Maybe not jail, unless it is an absolute last resort, but punishment is definitely in order. And I hope all men falsely accused can some day find peace. Again, a man can request a DNA test and should if he feels he is not the biological father. I, personally, am sick and tired of hearing about the rights of mothers and fathers. I want to hear about the rights of children. No one is fighting for their rights. What do the children want? Who do the children want to live with? When will the children be listened too. The children should go to the parent that is emotionally capable of raising the child in a stable loving environment. If the child is happy where he or she is, leave him or her where he or she is. And the father should not get a free pass from his responsibilities. Lying and dodging responsibility is not acceptable from either biological parent.

I know I will miss a good show that day and I probably will not be able to read any more comments after today, but I wish you all well.

AMEN! I think that  Enrigue should not have to pay child support any longer and that child's mother should pay every last penny back to him. As far as the biological father, I dont think he should pay back child support but should pay child support from here on in. I think it should be up to the child on whether she wants to see Enrigue or not. She has made that dission for right now and it should be left alone as that. If she chooses to see him or not that is a dissision she has every right to make. Shame on the mother. As a woman I am so  shocked that another woman could trap a man in this way and not think about what is really important "THE CHILD". If the mother had her best interest at heart from the begining this would of never happend. As far as I am concerned Enrigue should fight this to the bitter end. What comes around, goes around. This will bite her in the butt one way or another.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:18 pm PDT

Who are any one of you to judge?

Many people seem to have an opinion on this topic, but how many of you have been in this position? Not all men who end up fathering a child were deceived on purpose. Should people sleep around and get pregnant by any number of men? Probably not a good idea, but put yourself in that situation where, regardless of what you have done, and what mistakes you made, there is a child in the picture and you have to look towards the future. Perhaps these women think or feel that there will be a relationship with the man they are with regardless if she thinks he might be the father or not. Yes, there may be women who just want someone to pay, I am not saying there aren't devious women out there, but there are alot more dead beat dads who not only REFUSE to pay, but more importantly refuse to be a real father, and give that child the emotional and physical support that he or she needs to be a healthy, successful adult. The number one issue should be that the child has the best circumstances possible. I have raised a son by myself for six years, no paternity, no father, no child support. My first purpose is to make sure he has the best life possible, not chasing down someone for pennies to put him in a relationship with a man who would be damaging to his life. I am angered by the male guest on the show who wants the blame all on the women. The woman did NOT make him have sex(in most cases) and vice versa. It is an adult decision to have sex, if you do not trust someone, don't sleep with them. The only way to protect yourself from this is to be responsible with your sex life and don't get yourself into this position to begin with. IF more people worried about the consequences of their reckless sex life, than getting laid, we wouldn't have so many fatherless children and men being accused of fathering children who are not biologically theirs. Ultimately, none of us have any ground to judge anyone else, but to make sure that if we want to change things, we need to start with self responsibility first, and if a child is brought into the world in these situations that THEIR needs are put first always!!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:18 pm PDT

Follow the $$$

 I would LOVE for Dr. Phil to further investigate the atrocities of the Family Court system.
Paternity Fraud is TRUE, and so are legalized, state-sanctioned enslavement camps run for the sole purpose of funding the State through extortion, blackmail, and perjury.
They are called the NCPs. The Non-Custodial Parents.
I suggust Dr. Phil take just a moment to browse Dr. Stephen Baskervilles' investigative book called, Taken into Custody for just a sample of how bad the corruption really is.
Two lesbians suing the sperm donor for child support? An NCP arrested at a hospital for child support and held ransom until 'purge' $$ is paid by his family so he can donate his kidney to his sister? Support Orders demanding 110% of a person GROSS income, or go to jail? YES.
This is reality.
Get a kid, get 'somebody' to PAY ...children are 'property' of the state now.
NCP's do not have reproductive rights, nor do they have Constitutional rights, No rights to Appeals.
Just PAY, or go to jail ....this is reality for at least 7,000 Parents who were incarcerated illegally in Virginia last year -by NON Attorney's filing Motions for Rule to Show Cause - demanding they be charged with Civil or Criminal Contempt - regardless of their ability to pay... JUST ONE case that made it to a REAL court -follows below -  most end up in kangaroo courts!

2claim conspiracy in child-support here
Seek$7M for legal fees, punitive damages

ByJACK BRUBAKER, Staff
Lancaster NewEra
Published:
Oct 13, 200711:36 AM EST
LANCASTERCOUNTY,Pa. -Two county men have sued 15 defendants —including the Lancaster County Court of Common Pleas and their own lawyers —accusing them of conspiracy in child support cases.  

   

Thecomplaint claims that because the Lancaster Bar Association "hasan obligation to regulate their profession," it is party to the conspiracy tobase support payments on maximum earning potential.

..The complaint further allegesthat county judges "extort" money in order to "enrich" the county's Office ofDomestic Relations, which, according to the lawsuit's complaint, receivesfederal and state funds matching the amount of support money collectedlocally.
  

   

For full text of newsstory: http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/210845  


 

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October 29, 2007, 2:18 pm PDT

Parent Trap

My husband is in a similar situation except for the fact that he just found out that he is the father of a 14 yr old girl.    The girl's mother was seperated from her husband at the time (yes she was married). She knew the whole time that the baby was not her husband's, but chose not to tell him.  The mother's story behind why she never told the truth about the father is because her husband was more financially stable and she thought that it was the best option.    My personal opinion is that this was incrediablly selfish on her behalf. She robbed my husband of 14 years with his daughter.   Now- the "not" father is talking of sueing for back child support from the "real" father.  I disagree with this because the real father had no idea that he had a daughter. Why should he have to pay for the mother's choice to be selfish? It's ok that he can repay the money that was spent but they will never be able to repay the real dad for the 14 years that he lost?
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:18 pm PDT

Father, or not!

I know a man that got a divorce and, then, found out that his ex-wife had an affair around the time she got pregnant with their 2 year old child. He said that, even if he were to find out that he was not the biological father of that child, he was that child’s father and loved him very much. He paid child support and took advantage of all visitation times and any other time he could visit. That child chose to live with his father in his early teenage years. That child is an adult now and their father-son relationship remains very strong!

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:18 pm PDT

disgusted with attitude

I was appalled today by the tone of today's show.  Of course, the child is always of first importance, but it was this mother's fault that this problem occurred and I do not see why her ex-husband, who thought he was the father but was not, should have the continued responsibiity of financially supporting the child.  Out of anger at his wife's lie, he told the child.  He loved the child and hurt her when he told her in this way.  And he should  be allowed to support the child, if the child wishes,  but not required to pay the mother for the support of the child.  The mother lied; she committed the "crime.".  Why was the female lawyer on this show?   She had no expertise on the issue.  Was she supposed to be a show-stopper?  I would imagine you will receive many angry remarks about this show.   Don't lose your credibility by becoming too full of yourself.
 
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