Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 2:24 pm PDT

There was a better way

I think the father was wrong because he shouldn't have told the daughter what was going on in that way because he's the only faher she has known since birth and they have a bond that's stronger than any paternity test! Speaking as a mother, her mother should feel like the lying, cheating, immoral woman she is. I have no doubt she knew her husband wasn't that childs father and now that her lies have come to light, she wants to play victim, well lady if your wondering how this happened to your family why your daughter now feels unworthy and unloved, and when she becomes sexualy active because she's looking for a man to fill her fathers place, just LOOK IN THE MIRROR!!!!!
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:24 pm PDT

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I am Mia the current wife. I first want to say my heart goes out to Enrique and Selina and everyone else involved. I dont feel it is my place to tell my husband how to feel about this devastating mess. I suggested the possibility that Selina was not his daughter only after weeks of praying and discussing the topic with my daughter. I had my suspicions in the beginning but chose not to voice them. It was my daughter who talked me in to discussing this with my husband. As my very wise daughter pointed out; Selina needs to know her medical history and her ethnical background, at a minimum. I have never participated in tearing anyones family apart. I have compassion and pray for everyone in this situation to find some peace and yes, that includes Maria and the children. Its my firm believe and wish that Selina should have a trust fund and any child support money should go into that fund for her to do with as she chooses when she turns 18. Ill stand by that! I'll say it again every child deserves to know medical history and family of origin.
 Mia,

I appreciate your response and I believe a good majority of your intentions were good and I don't think you are a villain by any means as I too think the truth of a situation should always come out; however, I also think you may be kidding yourself on your motives behind all this being so innocent.  I know you could probably care less what I think in all this as a stranger, but for you to say you are only concerned with the truth and how all can benefit from this and so and so forth, I just don't believe that that was what motivated your actions at the start of all this.  You came across as a very anger person on the show (for good reason btw), but I can only imagine how much more angry you were prior to all this when you felt your husband was being scammed by Maria, whom I hold ultimately responsible for this entire mess.  I just think you are attempting to put a  more positive face or spin on this considering the horrific damage all this caused.

The only other thing I can really add to this is that if you were so involved in having your husband "bring out the truth" than you should also have been a more intricate part with the manner in which he handled all this and it's aftermath.  If you did all this out of great love for everyone (a tough pill to swallow), than you owed to your husband and the child he's always known as his family to see this through in a more productive manner.  You can't start the ball rolling on this kind of explosive and sensitive situation and then sit back and say "I'm not involved in splitting this family up" or "I don't feel it's my place to tell my husband how to feel about this."  That's what I mean by not owning up to where ALL of the adults failed this poor child who is the real victim in this in the end.  You are no saint in this regardless of your motives.

Mia, I think you are a good person and certainly a loyal and loving wife, and I think your motives where to protect your husband in the best way you saw fit at the time, but you do lack credibility here by insisting all your intentions were innocent.  Falling back, as Gloria had done to sickening effect, that everything is for the "well-being of the child", then you should concede that more consideration should have been paid regarding the impact this glorious truth was going to have on this innocent child and after really initiating all this, it is very disappointing to here you now remove yourself from it all with how you don't want to tell your husband how to feel.  That didn't seem to bother you before the news broke.  Personally, I think you owe it to him more now than ever.

Mia, as his current wife, and an intricate part of this whole mess, your husband absolutely needs every bit of wisdom you have to offer him right.  You owe it to him to help him get on a path that will heal both him and his relationship with this girl he was once so proud to call his daughter.  After initiating this, you really can't sit back and say and think it's all up to Enrique in how he wants to handle and feel about this.  Everyone needs your love, support, and wisdom more than ever and, believe it or not, no one has more influence over how this situation gets resolved than you do.  Only you can really assist your husband now in a positive manner, Mia.  Don't let guilt, fear, or false respect for your husband's feelings keep you from being the positive force he needs.

I apologize if I have offended you at all.  We are strangers and I only know what I see and read.  I only have my own moral compass to work with and it's not everyone else's.  My prayers are sincerely with you, your husband (whom I know has to be devastated by events here), and Selina who should never have been hurt the way she was by all the adults who should have been protecting her.

With respect,
Steve
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:24 pm PDT

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I am kind of half and half on this one I just got done watching it on tv and it made me so angry on some of the parts that I had to go on Dr.Phil and make a name just so I could tell what I thought about this, I am from a split family and it is very hard on kids and I know that because I have been going through it since I was six. I believe that fathers should get a test done no matter what they think if its there child or not it should just be done. My father never wanted anything to do with me untill I was six years of age and it was very hard on me to go to a house with 5 other kids that I have never met in my life and stay the whole weekend and not only that but call a guy "dad" that was a stranger to me. I strongly believe that it is all about the child when you are in a split family, when you hurt a child it effects them tramendusly and causes major problems like decrease in grades, problems with there social life and so on if a child dont feel safe with a parent or has never had a relation ship with them then it should not be forced apon that child. You cant just build a relation ship with some one you dont trust or you have bad feelings for, it just dont work like that. And its not right.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:25 pm PDT

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I cannot understand how a mother can put just any name as the father and get away with it.  I believe that the mother should be charged with fraud.  Not only is the man in this relationship being taken for a ride, but the child is not getting the chance to find out who her real father is.

The mother should be ashamed!

The man in this relationship should have never stopped seeing his daughter, I say daughter because after 10 years, they now have a special bond, he should have stayed in her life and if he wanted to help her finacialy, that would be between the, but the mother doesn't deserve a dime!!!

I agree totally with this person. Shame on that mother for lying to the man but also to the child. I think all the mother is after is getting money. The mother should find the childs biological father cause he may very well want a relationship with his beautiful daughter that he never even knew existed. Parents should not play with childrens emotions like she has. I think he truly does regret not seeing her anymore and  hopefully Selena will give him another chance when she is ready but  in the mean time she deserves to know who her real father is cause she has the right but what she needed him medically for some reason.

 

All I can say is SHAME on that MOTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:25 pm PDT

What Utter Sexist Cow***t

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Hmmm...what I believe is that women like Maria are afraid to tell the men that their child isn't theirs, because they are afraid that he is going to leave her, & her family, & that's what I can understand on. It also happened with Frankie & Gwen a few weeks ago (just titled "Frankie & Gwen"). I also have to say that women like her aren't evil creatures. True, what she did was wrong, but probably has a good reason, & that women do bad things just as the men, but they're definitely not evil. No matter what bad things they have done, I would never degrade women, like calling them awful names & such, because they're totally disrespectful. I also think that the man should continue to be in her life, just because he's been in her life for so long. If I was in the man's situation, I would continue to be there for the child, & support him/her. Should DNA matter? Absolutely not.
Fraud is fraud. If you rob a bank because you want to donate the $$$ to Greenpeace,
you still are a criminal felon. So, any excuses for women to commit FRAUD upon men
are misandrous sexism, plain and simple.
Its telling that you would not call women out on women's evil. That proves that you are
a man hating sexist bigot, who is fine with Evil, as long as its Evil done by a woman.
And, you have AbZero standing to speak on what a man " should " do. If you believe
what you said, prove it: YOU pay the Child Support for this child.
" Put up or shut up. "
Women who commit paternity fraud, should be criminally charged, should be made to
repay 100% of the support money, with interest, and should have the children removed
from their custody, as their act of fraud proves that they are unfit to parent.
Imagine if many, many women had found out, years later, that their babies were
" accidentally " switched at the hospital. There would be outcries, and there is no way
that such defrauded women would be made to pay for children that ARE NOT THEIRS.
Men deserve the same Justice. Thats... *equality*.

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:25 pm PDT

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Quote From: sdpooh

 If  women can get away with getting money from whoever theyput on the birth certificate what  can stop someone from justpicking the richest guy they know.  Maybe every divorce child support issue should  require a DNA test before any money gets paid to anyone
I think you are forgetting that that money is not for the mother for the kids.  If there is suddenly only one household income who do you think is suffering. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:25 pm PDT

About the child

 

None of the adults around this child have given a thought or one care for her, it's all about poor dad who was lied to, or poor mom who is not getting child support. They should be ashamed of themselves, they are both unfit parents!!!!  I would'nt leave a dog I hated with either of them.... True love for your child is putting her needs above your own, that means sacrifice! If I was the daughter I would get Gloria Allred and sue bio mom, bio dad, and that dad on the birth certificate, as well as his current wife for mental anguish, and emotional abuse!!! They are the lowest of the low to hurt a child like that....and do not deserve any sympathy!!!! The only one who does is Selena, may God bless her!

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:25 pm PDT

You've got to be kidding!!

I could not believe what I was seeing on today's show. My heart goes out to that poor child, and also to her "father" Enrique.
I sympathize with Enrique as I could tell he was trying to act on principal rather than emotion--and with good reason. He was lied to, and his wife conveniently did not fess up about her infidelity. I am so sad that his poor daughter got caught in the middle. I had to watch (and continue to watch) my brother waste his life away because of his love for his daughter. He was tricked into a pregnacy, fell inlove with his child--and even refuses a paternity test because he cannot bear the thought that she might not be his. It's unfair to have someone impose their will onto someone else and manipulate them with a child. It happens too often.
I was disappointed in the lack of ownership the mother had in this situation. She caused it. The blame rests solely on her shoulders. The debate was overshadowing her responsibility in the situation, and I feel terrible for all the family involved.
p.s. Seriously Dr. Phil, Gloria Allred? She represents everything evil in lawyers! I cannot stomach her loud-mouth, career climbing, limelight grabbing, celebrity/high profile only, attitude! Although she did present a valid argument, c'mon, who really needs her opinion? Please consult a non-profit organziation next time. You'll find people who are passionate about law without the attitude ;)
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:25 pm PDT

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Are you blind? The only thing Mia cared about was the money.  Dr. Phil was talking about the child's emotional  well being and all she and Enrica could talk about was the money.  If she cared about selina's health she would have said so seeing she could not let Enrica speak for himself.  If she cared she would never have let him tell selina at the park without her mother.  How was that caring about her emotional help? Its money out of her pocket. 

Shame on this mother! I think she should have to pay back all of the child support she collected to Enrique.

The mother is also to be the one to blame for this childs pain. I do not think Enrique handled the child in the correct way at all. I hope he can apologize to her and have a healthly relationship with her. We all as parents make mistakes and they both sure did.

The mother does not seem to me to have any remorse about this situation only to win against Enrique at all cost.

The mother is the one who should  have to stand alone!

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:25 pm PDT

STEP MOTHER

 My heart goes out to both sides of the family.  The mother is wrong for having the affair or one night stand and the father is wrong for pushing the daughter out of his life,  but the person causing the problem is the step-mother.  I think she is money hungry.  I am sure if she would keep her mouth shut the father and daughter can work things out over time but only if the step-mother stays out of it.  She is the step-mother therefore should step aside.
 
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