Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 2:30 pm PDT

Parent Trap

 Nothing is done is secret that stays a secret. You cannot lie about relationships and children. You will be found out eventually. A woman who knowingly deceives about the father of her child has cheated two men. Will she be penalized for it. Probably not. If a divorce happens she will still get the child support. In other words she has free reign to commit fraud and the law does nothing about it. In fact, it usually supports her.

Likewise if a man wins custody of his children. You know he's been through hell and back just to get them; then.  If a man does get child support will he get it from the woman, Probably not. I've yet to see a man in this county ever draw a penny and no the prosecutor will not put her in jail or garnish her wages, but he will a man who owes for back child support. By the way, I am a woman who was divorced and who raised two fine children by myself with little child support. Why not take the money out of the equation for visitation and emotional support and then deal with the money separately.   And let's face it child support rarely goes to

help support the child.

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:30 pm PDT

Trust issues?

I am actually surprised that Dr.Phil didn't raise the issue of trust with Selena regarding her mother.  I realize that it is a harsh decision that Enrique made but the bottom line is that the mother lied to the whole family.  How does Selena feel about her mother lying?  I feel that Enrique is a target for his actions but the mother also has some ownership in this! 
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:30 pm PDT

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 I feel that too many women in ths country take advantage of men just so they can get child support for their kids.  If a man has any doubt that a child is not his than he should require a DNA test when the child is born.  The laws in this country are way too leant when it comes to child support.  All a women has to do is say that a child belongs to a guy.  And it is up to the guy to prove it's not his.  I feel it should be up to the mother to prove that it is his.  Men shouldn't have to pay for the mother bad judgement.  Shame any woman who can't stand up for her own actions.  If the parents are not married a DNA test should be manditory.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:30 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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     Since the beginning of time women have had an advantage over men when it comes to parenting.A woman always KNOWS a child belongs to her.A  man can only know what he's told.Therefore the greater responsibility belongs to a mother.

The guy being told they are the father should be smart enough to ask for a test if they are unsure the child is theirs, its just somthing that should be done they shouldnt just wait for ever to have them take a test then take it out on the child, yes the mother should get in trouble if they do that but the father or guy being told hes the father should ask for a test to be done if they dont want to pay child suport.

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:30 pm PDT

Child support

I think every child at birth should be DNA tested and the results sealed until the couple divorce or choose to know the results. It is very unfair for men to pay child support to children that aren't theirs. I believe that if the man has been a father figure for a few years and then finds out he isn't the biological father he should be able to stay in the childs life and active but the mother should get the child support from the biological father. It should then be between the courts and mother to allow the real father in the childs life, depending on what kind of person he is.( I mean you don't want a rapest, murderer, or child molester in your childs life.)  I agree that adult things should be kept between the adults and not be brought to the childs attention until they are old enough to understand.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:30 pm PDT

are you kidding me?

women who do lie about their child's family should be ashamed.  who are they to play with their child's emotions like that?  and the poor man....how awful.  to bond and love a child for years to find that not only is it not yours but that she lied about it all those years.  she should have to pay back every penny for child support she has received.  i also do not believe in men that have to pay child support and the women does not let him see his children and most of the time the laws and courts do not stand up for the men that actually want to pay support for thier children but would also like the opportunity to be with them.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:30 pm PDT

sperm donor

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I found it surprising that it took the Carnell guy to say something about the true father of this girl. This isn't the first story like this that I've heard about. It always seems as though the true biological father is able to live free of responsibility while someone else pays for his child.

 

I think Gloria Allred made a good point when she pointed out that they're not doing what's best for the child. However, she's a complete moron to take the mother's side. That mother is a lying narcissist who obviously believes she's above any wrongdoing. She lied. It's as simple as that. Yes, both parents hurt this child, but the mother is more to blame. As the second wife kept pointing out, she was the one who lied from the beginning.

 

Furthermore, if keeping a relationship with this girl as a father figure is what's best for her, then by all means he should. Why should he pay her mother for that relationship though? He's no different than any other non-relative man (like a preacher, youth pastor, coach, etc). No one would dream of "charging" those types of people to have a relationship with her (which is, essentially what that child support is all about: he's paying for a relationship).

I am sick of people calling the biological father the true father... So  know sperm donors can call themself fathers.  I am sorry but my view of a father is someone that is there at the birth, that changed diapers, that was there for every knew experience of this child's life.  So what people are saying here is that a man that cannot produce kids but adopt or his wife gets injected with another man sperm , that man is not considered a father.....
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:30 pm PDT

I didn't want to be on the show.

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The current wife and HER behavior are only going to compound this girl's emotional problems by the way she wants her husband to toss her to the side. This poor child already has a deceitful, manipulative mother and a father who walked out on her. She doesn't need this woman adding her 2 cents where it doesn't belong. She needs to butt out.

I am Mia  the current wife.  The only "butting in" I have done is  trying to deal with this mess and being supportive of my husband.  I am human too and can assure you I don't like  to see anyone suffering.  I am hurt and I from time to time I do deal with any, as I am only human too.  If it were up to me, I would have chose for this never to happen. 


 
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October 29, 2007, 2:31 pm PDT

parent trap

This is really sad. I really feel for the little girl and yes although Enrique was wrong in what he did it's not fair that he has to continue paying child support for a child that isn't his and should be reimbursed for what he has paid from the natural father. Enrique was very wrong in the way he handled it with the little girl and I don't think you can shut off feelings for anyone after that many yearsso I can't believe he was so inconsiderate.

     The mother should be punished for what she has done to both that lovely child but also Enrique and the state should go after the real father and make him pay. I hope someday Enrque and that lovely girl can work things out and have some kinda relationship.

 One more thing I want to tell the new step father -Thank you for being a stand up guy for your step daughter as anyone can be a dad but it takes a real man to be a father bravo to you

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:31 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

2 years after 2 children were born, 2 different women left my son a message and served him a summons that they needed his DNA.

 

For these 2 years, these women repeatedly denied my Son was the Father of these children and in fact he questoned these women repeatedly, because of the strong resemblance, they kept saying another man was their Father.

 

My son was taken to court, tested and after these beautiful children were already 2 1/2 years old, found he was indeed the Father of both children.  My son and our family feel cheated out of knowing these babies, they have Granparents that aren't theirs and now they are devestated, they have Grandparents they had never met that missed out on the most important loving, bonding time, in their life, and now they are so confused.  

 

The court ruled that my son was to pay 2 1/2 years back child support on both children or go to jail. I had to come up with thousands of dollars very quickly because he was deemed a deadbeat Dad even though these women obviously KNEW there was the possibiity that my Son was the childrens Father.

 

There was no recourse. There has to be justice, this is devestating to so many Families.

 

 I have recently lost my only son to a motorcycle accident and that is  why I am speaking out for him. He did get to see them a few times after we found out, but these children barely got to know their REAL Father before he died. The Mothers brought the chldren to the Funeral parlor where they were told that was their Father  lying in a coffin, what a terrible thing they have done to these children. 

 

These woman have now run right to social security to collect the benefit, which they will receive  a good amount of money monthly. I don't begrudge that they will receive help, I am happy for them and will help however I can, they are my Grandchildren.

 

I was angry that My son and I were cheated from knowing about these most beautiful children for those years.

 

Something has to be done and shame on the Attorney for saying what she is doing is right. How can she live with herself?

 

 
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