Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 2:49 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

Quote From: golfinggranny

Totally agree that this attorney was a loud mouth that should not have been on this show.  She has her own agenda!

I usually like listening to what the lawyer usually has to say.  Today, She was out of her league.  This was hands down the mothers fault.  No powerful lawyer could talk around that.  The lawyer was there for air-time only.  She didn't do herself any favors, I'm not buying that book!!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:49 pm PDT

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It is ridiculous to force the victim “especially the victim” to pay for someone else’s crime. The law is siding with the criminal by rubbing it in the victims face with threats of imprisonment. What wrong has this man for doing what is right and just? There is no cause in this man. The woman who committed adultery and infidelity on top of lying should be held accountable for her actions of fraud. And that old crusty hag lawyer is bias and I don’t agree with her feminist point of view on this particular matter. This mother deceived her own child for selfish reasons. She used the child and the faulty court system to steal from someone. She is a liar and a thief therefore should be held accountable. This man is affected emotionally as well as the child. So, who is responsible??
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:50 pm PDT

whatever

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Because you think that it would of been fair for that child to not have a father at all.  We do not know the whole story. All I see is this was a happy family until the new wife wanted more money in her account.  Nobody seem to take consideration that Enrique had the joy of having two beautiful daughters.  I see a mom that taugh about her daughter and what was best for her child.
the new wife appeared very genuine, and that child looks mixed....i would have had questions too as a new wife.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:50 pm PDT

Monday 10/29/07 Paternity Fraud

Watched show on Monday 10/29/07
Liar mother should be jailed for her Paternity FRAUD
All money should be paid back to father with interest
Female attorney should be jailed for her churning this type of case and stealing litigants assets.
Money returned should be used to counsel the innocent child so the non father can still havea decent relationship.

The corrupt legal system should be taken out of the control on this pure Fraud.

 

 

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October 29, 2007, 2:50 pm PDT

Blows my mind

To think that a man can be held responsible for something he had absolutely nothing to with in the first place is insane and I believe it may also be part of a bigger problem that needs to be addressed with hardcore action. It is sickening and detrimental to find out that a mate has cheated on you and changes a relationship forever. On the outside everything may look OK but believe me it isn't. I have learned from the experience on both ends so I am well aware. I cheated on my first wife and my current wife has cheated on me. I would have never completely understood the consequences otherwise. I have 2 girls from my first wife and a son from my second. He is now 22 and I have always held the question in mind is he really mine after my discovery of her infidelity. That happened some 20 years ago. Sad thing is I never even got an apology from my current wife for what she did. Maybe I don't deserve it I don't know but I don't think so. Now for Enrique and Selina I feel they are both victims of the justice system and also believe that their is a way to stop all this B.S. that is really quite simple although it will not help matters for them. My simple solution is to have DNA testing done at birth of all babies born along with their fathers to prove right from the get go who is who. Some would argue that this would only complicate the system and cause a lot of heartaches. I would say that may be true however would calm the attorneys who thrive on this twisted behavior and save a much deeper heartache in the future of a child. As for the thousands who would be unfortunate enough to find themselves in a mess like this I would also have an answer. Those who play must pay. I will use Selina and Enrique for example. I forgot the woman's name but she and the biological father should be the ones held in a trap not Selina and Enrique.

Enrique is victim number one (by order of events) and should be fully reimbursed DOUBLE his expenditures by his ex-wife. This would not recover him, nothing could do that now but he would at least be some kind of compensation for his loss. He did not lose a wife he lost a daughter. The biological father should be brought out whether he or the woman would want it even if a truth serum had to be used to find out the secret. He should have to pay all current and back support after all he participated in the act that produced his child. But I do not think that the wife should have any part of that money. The child should have it all, every penny. Kind of an eye for and eye approach. This also would not help to heal her wounds either however would let her know her problems are not of her own making.

One of the biggest things I seen from the program was that Enrique it seemed was forced to take action but didn't know how to approach it. (Who Would) If he kept doing what he was doing he was stuck with a bill that didn't rightfully belong to him and he wouldn't have a chance at recovering any of his dignity. On the other hand if he cut off his association he lost a daughter who really wasn't his anyway regardless of how much he loved and cared for her. He is in a no win situation. Selina the second victim here is also in a no win situation because if he had not told her and made his stand. She would have lost any opportunity to ever know about a biological father and the real reason for her parents separation which could have led her to believe that she may have been the problem to start with. On the other hand we all seen what happened.

Enrique and Selina I hope that you both read this as feel for you both from the bottom of my heart I honestly do. I would like to hear at sometime in the future is that the two of you have had the opportunity to sit and rediscover each other as best friends by feelings of your hearts as you have a desire to be in each others lives that is undeniable. Many other things I would like to say but cant seem to put my thoughts in order as this has put yet another empty spot in my heart and has angered my mind.

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:51 pm PDT

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Wow, given the number of dads out there that run out on the moms and kids, I am amazed at the hate going on.  No one listened as the mom said she was wrong?  No one listened as she said she did not know at the time, but because she knew she had an affair she should disclose this because there might be a possibility?  Given me a break!  We were not in there shoes, so why do we get to judge?  The real person that was hurt by this is the child.  Not the man, not the woman, they are adults they have the ability to fix or find someone to fix the situation.  As for the other gentlemen, all he needed to do was ask for proof.  Most states make the father pay only if he is the father.  Some states may make you pay up front, but if you think you may not be the dad, what the heck, pay it.  You cannot tell me it is not worth the investment.  Then again, they did not take the time to invest in a condom, problem solved.
They were married, do married couples need to start wearing condoms? Due to trust issues? Are you kidding me, if I have to worry about trust issues with my wife, then we have no marriage.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:51 pm PDT

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I agree that Maria should have told Enrique that Selina wasn't his daughter in the begining...but Enrique's wife is also a really big reason for Selina's feeling of abondanment...Enrique's wife is the one that told him to get a parentity test done...She has a big part to blame...it really angers me that no one said that to her...she really had no right to get in the middle of it...on another subject Enrique has no say in the adoption that Maria's husband wants to do...now that Enrique got a parentity test done and it shows that Selina's not his daughter says that he has no say in it...
oh please, i'm sure she didn't just come out of the blue and asked is selina really  your daughter. i'm sure he had reservations, and then she may have suggested to get a test.  
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:52 pm PDT

Women who lie should have to pay

Women who lie should have to pay back every dime of child support. This manipulative woman has her children believing the father (the victim) is responsible. This woman shows no remorse and I guess she has no problem beng a bad example to her children by being a manipultive whore. Just because someone gets away with their lies for many years does not absolve them of their responsibility, morall, legally and ethically. Just before this show it was pointed out that this woman had the nerve to file for novisitiation and more child support! This mother is disgusting and I am sick of men being the bad guys when they try to stand up for their rghts as fathers or not fathers.
 

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October 29, 2007, 2:52 pm PDT

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Quote From: vixiex

Fathers are more than a checkbook.  I don't think he should have to pay if he isn't the biological father - especially since he's been lied to this whole time.  HOWEVER, if he's raised this child and is the Dad that the child knows - I would assume there is love between the two of them.  That relationship should continue. 

 

Biology has less to do with parenthood than love, trust, teaching and caring that comes from that relationship.  "Anyone can be a father - but it takes someone special to be a Dad"

 

Just my 2 cents.

I agree, he should not have to pay if he is not the biological father.  Money doesn't come before love and caring.  But why should he have to pay if he is lied to.  Unfair.  That mother should return the money.  And that child should love that man - after all he supported her all this time.  Where does respect come into play.  If I was her, I would be angry with her mother.  that is where the blame should lay.  Money does not come easy these days, and he is paying unfairly.

 

From a Mother and grandmother who would never have thought of doing anything like this.  Her mother hurt her not him.

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:52 pm PDT

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Quote From: fred_frog

That is a bunch of garbage.  She duped him for ten years then goes on national television to show how cunning she is???  He should be able to sue her to get his money back.  I will agree that the man should have handled the situation differently.  He should continue to count her as his child but not

have to be required to pay child support, especially since they were not still a united family at that

time.  "The Gloria" showed her butt by trying to railroad the conversation and tried many times to

stiffle the man who had been victimized in the very same way.  If, as she said, the money is not important, LET HER PAY THE CHILD SUPPORT.  I feel all she really wanted to do in the first place is to be on television...to keep herself in the spotlight..... and to hawk, or have Dr. Phil, hawk her book.

Amen.....you are SOOOOO right.

Gloria needs to dissappear & become a nanny since she is so concerned with todays children.

Maybe by being a nanny, can see all this unfold in front of her own eyes when the mom is out late at night "entertaining"!

 

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