Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 5:30 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I am surprised that the man the mom is currently in a relationship with is o.k. with her cavalier attitude, and doesn't question her integrity.  He seems to value integrity.

 

At the end of the show, the legal father's wife really seemed to want to know or understand the mom's responsibility for telling the truth.  What she needs to understand is that there is a difference between moral responsibility and legal responsibility.  She did have the moral responsibility, however, I don't think the show determined if she (or any partner in a relationship) has a legal responsibility to be honest to their partner.  That's not likely, and therefore, his legal responsibility to continue monetary support for a child is upheld.

 

I wish the legal father and his wife would understand that it truely isn't feasible to have a parent/child relationship without some financial input and it's too clouded to draw the line.  The mom and her partner could be understanding and work with the legal father regarding the financial responsibility.  Perhaps they could pay for her home, but legal dad could buy her clothes and pay for her fun/teenage expenses, hair, nails.  She could be this ultimately fortunate kid who walks away with a very large group of loving and supportive parents.  They should all appreciate what the other can give, be willing to give, and be willing to let the others give. 

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:31 pm PDT

Parent Trap?

 

I do not buy the parent trap issue.  I just caught the last 15 minutes or so of your show today.  I am curious if your guest were under court  orders.  I work in the family court through the clerk's office here in South Carolina. Our Judges ask all defendants if they want to admit to paternity or if they would like a genetic test.  Whether or not it is a private action for child support or through Department of Social Services, if they admit to paternity they are informed that they may never come back to court and ask for termination of their court order because the mother lied at the time the order was issued, someone else told them they were not the father or how ever they want to deny paternity.  They are given this first chance if they respond to their notice of the hearing.  If they choose not to repsond to the hearing, then when they are ruled in to court for not paying their child support they are ask at that time if they would like a genetic test.  

 

Most of the cases I refer to are through Child Support Enforcement through the Department of Social Services.  Mothers file for child support, notices are sent for service by the sheriff's department to the only address provided, usually a family member of the defendant.  It is then the accepting partie's repsonsibility to inform the defendant of their hearing.  Here they figure if they don't repsond they are not responsible.  When they finally get into court,  they are then given the option for the genetic test.  As for private cases where payments are made directly to the parent, the parent is ask the same question as to admitting paternity or taking the test. 

 

As to the relationship with the child whether or not they are the parent, it should not matter.  Here it is sad to say the parent would rather give up their rights than have to pay their child support.  Jobs are not easy to find in our area which really makes it hard for every one envolved, especially the children.  They are the ones who really suffer. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:31 pm PDT

Here's the solution to Parent Trap

1.  The gentleman that was "dooped" should be allowed to develop a relationship with Salinda (if she wishes and I hope she does) without the wife or her new husband interferring.

 

2.  There should be no child support ordered to be paid, as he is not the father and the woman knew it all the time.

 

3.  The new husband should not be allowed to adopt this child.  As the previous "father" was in her life of 10 years and they should be able to mend this broken relationship without the complication of a "new" father in her life.  What would happen if the mother and new father divorced?  What would the child do then?  Be without a 2nd fathers?

 

4.  The new husband should take on all financial responsibilities of raising this child.  Since the mother remarried and the child is still at home.....let the new husband step up to the plate and handle all the financial reponsibilities regarding this child.  He should be more than happy to.  What is he going to say..."This is not child, why should I pay? If he refuses to take on this responsibility, the wife should leave him.  It would be a chilling confession that he really does not have the child's best interest in mind or his wife's.  Also, by him taking care of the financial responsibilities for his new family, he would be paying the "debt" the woman owes to both her child and her ex-husband.  It's call poetic justice. 

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:31 pm PDT

Hope no one does this to you

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I'm just absolutely amazed that these people were so focused on the money. And I'm including the "father", the wife, and even the audience and the male guest who favored the man who abandoned that poor little girl. How cold-hearted can people be?

If you ask that child, I can bet anyone that she couldn't care less about money. What she cares about is the fact that this heartless person abandoned her when she was a small child because he realized that they didn't share the same blood. SO WHAT? That is the child you held, said you loved, and cared for all those years. What kind of dirtbag leaves a child in that way? Who knew that a test result determined your love for a child!

Yes, the mother was wrong for lying. Does that make the man a victim as you said? No. He's an adult. He's not the victim. He's a pathetic excuse for life who couldn't care less about a child he once called his daughter, and then abandoned out of anger for the mother, and finds himself so focused on money, that he can't see how much he hurt and continues to hurt that child. And furthermore, HE of all people, thinks he has a right to be concerned about the possible adoption? SERIOUSLY? Somebody has a few screws loose. Sorry buddy, you lost that right to determine what goes on in that girl's life the moment you stepped out for asinine reasons.

Why didn't anybody mention that the real victim was the child? The child who now has to live with the fact that the man who she knew as her father abandonded her because MONEY was more important than their relationship. I sincerely hope that she never lets him back into her life. Who knows when she'll need him and he'll leave her again.

He should be ashamed. What a pathetic excuse for a human being. And what a pathetic follower for a wife, supporting a "man" for doing that to an innocent little child. Those crocodile tears he shed didn't fool me, and I hope they didn't fool anyone else either.

 

 

 

Yes he was wrong for abandoning his child but my gosh not everyone sits back and like crap thrown in their face!!

 

The mother is pathetic!  A problem must be solved at the root ...women and men must STOP LYING to their children . This is a very serious problem that happens ALL over the world

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:31 pm PDT

when will women be prosicuted?

my husband and myself are going through some what of the same situation. my husband asked his ex wife of five years for a divorce after the divorce was final my husband found his ex wife doing off the wall things and went back to court and asked for custody then and only then did she has the gull to tell the court that the child wasn't his. she then proceeded to go the alleged biological father and get him to fight us as well for custody what was the shocker is that both of them turned in a declaration stating they both new since conception and chose to shut up until the divorce if he wanted this child so bad he would have paid for his own DNA not her and he would have done it before the child was three almost four luckily the court threw his request out to terminate my husband as dad the difference is it has cost my husband 40,000 dollars to fight to keep his kid when should the mother be held responsible when she co-petition are to attempt to terminate my husband as dad what bothers me is that she receives no punishment from the court or society its OK for the women but if the man were not to pay child support he would be in jail. she new since conception and would have never said anything if he wouldn't have divorced her.she is so mentally unstable she even allowed the child to be named after my deceased father in law and she never lost a wink of sleep.when should the law step in and prosecute these type of women i think DNA test should be mandatory at birth before you can place a fathers name on a birth certificate to stop this injustice to fathers and the heart ache that fallows.not mentioning t6he pain the child is going to go through at the mothers hands.  
 

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October 29, 2007, 5:31 pm PDT

Think with your brains, people! This is about what's best for the child, not the father!

What the mom did was wrong, obviously (and I wish that there was a punishment we could dole out to women who do this that wouldn't hurt their children).  Enrique was deceived, also obvious...  What doesn't seem to be so obvious to many here is that the child DOES belong to Enrique.  What I mean by this is that biology doesn't play a role in the relationship/feeling between parent and child, NOR SHOULD IT.  If I learned today that my child was not mine (whether through deception or a hospital error) it wouldn't change my love for my child, nor my desire to continue providing the best I can financially.  Money IS important in that it sends a message (a strong one) to the child about whether you treasure them or your money more.  I would want my child to know that regardless of whose they were biologically, that I would and will always consider them MINE.  And I'd make sure to reinforce this by providing for them financially!  I wouldn't allow for any question at all to permeate my kid's thoughts about where my loyalties are!

 

Enrique got screwed, but that in no way changes (or rather, shouldn't have changed) the fact that he has been her father!  Where are his feelings for her????  (His daughter is very bright to have heard his sudden and renewed interest in her with skepticism!) How could he have treated someone he raised from infancy, and supposedly loved, that way????  I wouldn't wish that kind of treatment on my worst enemy.  The feelings of abandonment this poor girl must feel, I can't imagine.  She may not realize this now, but I have no doubt that those feelings of abandonment and mistrust will affect her future relationships because they will affect how she feels about herself.  I pray she gets the help she needs as she grows to realize exactly what Dr. Phil said -- that she is worthy of love regardless of what that pseudo-father did to her. 

 

Frankly, I don't know how some people here can justify anything but a continuation of  a fatherly relationship, and that includes a FINANCIAL one.  NOT because this is "fair" to him, but because (more importantly) it is what is "fair" and right for HIS DAUGHTER.  And again, he should want to.  If I were him, I wouldn't care about seeking out the biological father so as to pay for my kid's expenses.  I would want nothing to do with him in fact, so as not to ruin the stability I would hope to continue to provide, (until my child wanted to seek him out, that is.  It's only natural that kids want to know who they biologically came from at some point in their lives).  My kid is mine.  Period.  I WOULDN"T ALLOW ANYTHING TO CHANGE THAT.  THAT"S WHAT UNCONDITIONAL LOVE IS SUPPOSED TO BE, ENRIQUE...

 

Finally, I imagine that several conditions must have existed for Enrique to be so cruel to the daughter he raised for ten years:  1) that he didn't really love her and 2) that he hated his wife so much for deceiving him that he preferred torturing his daughter in this way so as to punish the mother, (rather than seeing his daughter as the gift she is). Bottom line is that I would likely have divorced my wife and FOUGHT to keep my daughter(s)!  As for the poor daughter, I can't believe that now that she has another loving father in her life, Enrique decides that he wants and misses her....  REALLY?!? I  t took you YEARS to realize this, Enrique?!?  What a prince you are... You took the only father she had away from her (you), and now you don't want to give her a decent chance at a life with another man who DOES want to be her father and sees her as the blessing she is.  Something YOU couldn't do.  You've proven yourself completely unworthy of her.  Your "judgement" isn't the only thing that is bad.... YOU are! 

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:31 pm PDT

Lies Hurt Everyone

I believe the father is acting out of anger at the mother.  Money issues should remain between them and not involve the child.  I was surprised that his anger spilled over into rejection of the child, and he will regret that.  Beyond that I don't think men should be penalized for being a good guy.  Too many women hook up with men they know won't take care of the child and then try to find one that will.  If they have to lie about parentage that's what they have to do.  No one should have their heart torn apart like that.  A child should be able to know who their biological parent is also.  I know children that have to live with "father unknown" on the birth certificate or are living a lie because their mother lied.  The basic premis of Gloria Alreds point was that if the lie lasts long enough, over 2 years than too bad.  To me, it's the agruement that if a child is abducted by one parent , found 4 years later, they should stay with the abductor because of the amount of  time that has lapsed.  (I don't want to open that can of worms but it's applicable to me) It seems to be about how long the woman can keep the lie going.  It's like saying, if you've been a sap this long ,you might as well stay on the hook and keep paying.  I think it was fair to say,  that if the man wants to keep a voluntary relationship, that should be encouraged. You can't legislate people's feelings. If the deceived man just pays, but doesn't see the child, how does that help the child ?  (Child support does not replace a relationship).  The child is left without a parent and the liar is rewarded.  I really wonder how the child feels about her mother that takes no responsiblity.  I think she is going to take on her mother's attitude about the truth and where the fault lies in this situation.  Her mother wants her to feel as if sheis her father's victim. Her step father is a good guy because he came in the situation knowing these are not his biological children. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:31 pm PDT

ray charles could see this

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The actual biological father should have to pay support.  If the child and former "father" wishes to continue a good and established relationship, then it is of best interest to do so.  That does not mean financial support to the mother.  She has already done him enough wrong.

Loving eyes can never see. When I say the child in question I could  see that he was not the father. It is apparent that the father is black unless the girl has been in the sun for a very long time before she came on the show.The girls mother has a lot of nerve trying to insist that he pay support for a child that  is not his and the poor fool that she married this time had better rethink his decision. Run don"t walk as far away from this evil deluded woman as you can possibly get or u will be next. She has no character and by becoming a part of this vile and malious scheme which has been going on for 13 years I must question her new husbands character The smartest person in this sick ghetto mess is the real father who got away from this situation  years ago and has not been seen sense. Or has he ?  We could ask her but she would probably lie.

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:32 pm PDT

It's all about the Child

I feel the victim in this case is the Daughter.  She has been decieved by her mother and rejected by her father.  The love of money is the root of ALL evil and this is the driving factor in this case.  It's not fair to the young lady.  I feel, My opinion, the mother is the #1 person at fault, the reaction from the father was one of those actions before thinking processes that alot of us do in life when we feel hurt, victimized and scandled.  Some people don't think of their circumstances or the out come before they act or are driven by their fellings of revenge.   THAT by NO means justifies his actions.  By rights:  Daddy handled things in the same manner as mother........NO ONE IN MIND but SELF.  Mistakes have been made on both sides, for the FUTURE:  A new trust and relationship must be built between Daddy and Daughter.  MONEY???  NO  !!!!  The child support should be provid directly to the child in form of clothing and things of need/want from daddy.  Take her on trips, spend quality time with her give her an allowance.  But I do NOT belive the money should be for MOMMY to spend as she pleases.  Daddy needs to be a part of her life just as it was before he found he was lied too.  Provide for her love her unconditionally, be there for her.It seems the only one PAYING in the child.  SHE is paying the ultimate price.
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:32 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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Lets assume the news was broken down to the child in the BEST WAY then we were to ask the child what she wants to see happen. She would probably say i want my "father" to still love me! Now Enrique is willing to do that BUT his ex wife is including money into the equation, WHY? She started the problem and is continuing the problem by FORCING the child support. Come on lady, he gave that child a good 10 years of EVERYTHING she needed, most importantly LOVE in the vital years of the child's up bringing.
My biggest question is where is her ownership to all this, i mean its seems as though she is trying to make other people take the financial responsibilities, she should take responsibility for her own action.

And as for the feminist lawyer, she contradicted herself a lot and her points were weak and many were proven wrong. The only ground she had to attack was how Enrique broke the news to the child. For God's sake he doesn't deny it wasn't a poor way to do it and he is VERY sorry about it. He even wants to restore the broken relationship with the girl !! We are ALL guilty of not making the best decisions when we are highly emotional !!

IN CONCLUSION i think that the mother is putting Money First and Child Second !! if she put the child's interest first then she would ALLOW Enrique to be in the child's life without slapping the child support !!
I agree with the mother's responsibility for the problem.  However, how can Enrique turn off his feelings for his "daughter?"  I believe he and his wife are putting the money first.    I do not believe he is sorry for the way he told his daughter the news.  If he really love that child, nothing would stop him from seeing her.
 
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