Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 6:06 pm PDT

hypothetically

I have already stated that I believe the mother should own her actions, Enrique should not be required to be financially burdened but be able to maintain a relationship with his "daughter" should they be able to mend the damage and move forward in a positive manner.  Additionally, I wanted to add that the mother probably has some idea of who the biological father is and with laws written the way they are now, it seems they are enabling her to choose between different men she has been intimate with.  She could, for example, choose the one with the most financial gain - clearly not what the courts are intending.  Something needs to change.  I support the "consultant" on the show and lost respect for Ms. Allred.  It starts with honesty and a mutual understanding of what will be required for a lifetime when speaking on behalf of a child. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 6:06 pm PDT

Parent Trap

I believe the mother was totally to blame in this matter.  I don't agree that the man that was being response for the child should continue to pay child support.  I believe that he should approach the child and remend their relationship and the ex-husband should receive child support from the mother.  The mother should pay back the all the money that the husband had paid.  Why should he pay.....should not have to pay unless he feels he would like to pay and then he could pay directly to the child only.  Not to the mother.  She does not desire any breaks what so ever.  I totally agree that men should have some rights and totally disagree with that female lawyer.  What is she thinking.  This is about a child not about a mother wanting child support.
 
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October 29, 2007, 6:07 pm PDT

Third possible reason...

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What the mom did was wrong, obviously (and I wish that there was a punishment we could dole out to women who do this that wouldn't hurt their children).  Enrique was deceived, also obvious...  What doesn't seem to be so obvious to many here is that the child DOES belong to Enrique.  What I mean by this is that biology doesn't play a role in the relationship/feeling between parent and child, NOR SHOULD IT.  If I learned today that my child was not mine (whether through deception or a hospital error) it wouldn't change my love for my child, nor my desire to continue providing the best I can financially.  Money IS important in that it sends a message (a strong one) to the child about whether you treasure them or your money more.  I would want my child to know that regardless of whose they were biologically, that I would and will always consider them MINE.  And I'd make sure to reinforce this by providing for them financially!  I wouldn't allow for any question at all to permeate my kid's thoughts about where my loyalties are!

 

Enrique got screwed, but that in no way changes (or rather, shouldn't have changed) the fact that he has been her father!  Where are his feelings for her????  (His daughter is very bright to have heard his sudden and renewed interest in her with skepticism!) How could he have treated someone he raised from infancy, and supposedly loved, that way????  I wouldn't wish that kind of treatment on my worst enemy.  The feelings of abandonment this poor girl must feel, I can't imagine.  She may not realize this now, but I have no doubt that those feelings of abandonment and mistrust will affect her future relationships because they will affect how she feels about herself.  I pray she gets the help she needs as she grows to realize exactly what Dr. Phil said -- that she is worthy of love regardless of what that pseudo-father did to her. 

 

Frankly, I don't know how some people here can justify anything but a continuation of  a fatherly relationship, and that includes a FINANCIAL one.  NOT because this is "fair" to him, but because (more importantly) it is what is "fair" and right for HIS DAUGHTER.  And again, he should want to.  If I were him, I wouldn't care about seeking out the biological father so as to pay for my kid's expenses.  I would want nothing to do with him in fact, so as not to ruin the stability I would hope to continue to provide, (until my child wanted to seek him out, that is.  It's only natural that kids want to know who they biologically came from at some point in their lives).  My kid is mine.  Period.  I WOULDN"T ALLOW ANYTHING TO CHANGE THAT.  THAT"S WHAT UNCONDITIONAL LOVE IS SUPPOSED TO BE, ENRIQUE...

 

Finally, I imagine that several conditions must have existed for Enrique to be so cruel to the daughter he raised for ten years:  1) that he didn't really love her and 2) that he hated his wife so much for deceiving him that he preferred torturing his daughter in this way so as to punish the mother, (rather than seeing his daughter as the gift she is). Bottom line is that I would likely have divorced my wife and FOUGHT to keep my daughter(s)!  As for the poor daughter, I can't believe that now that she has another loving father in her life, Enrique decides that he wants and misses her....  REALLY?!? I  t took you YEARS to realize this, Enrique?!?  What a prince you are... You took the only father she had away from her (you), and now you don't want to give her a decent chance at a life with another man who DOES want to be her father and sees her as the blessing she is.  Something YOU couldn't do.  You've proven yourself completely unworthy of her.  Your "judgement" isn't the only thing that is bad.... YOU are!

Maybe Enrique was in shock and did the wrong thing for the right reason. SOMEBODY had too tell this litte girl the truth. It should have been her mother, but leaving it to him, was more emotional blackmail towards Enrique. That's the catch 22 of this situation. The mother was the villan, but if he doesn't lay down for her, Enrique is the bad guy. Her plan was to trap him and in your sinario, he volunteers to stay trapped. We are a country that is contantly crying "Anything for the sake of the children!" I'm sorry. Not ANYTHING. 

 

How dare you presume to accuse this man of not loving his daughter. I think his actions had way more to do with his mistrust of her mother than his love for the child! What about her "real" father, who's had NO contact with her in all these years? Does he even know he has a child?

 
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October 29, 2007, 6:07 pm PDT

Carnell Smith vs Gloria Allred

Carnell clearly won here.  While Gloria was sticking to her, "It's all about the child" rhetoric and that it is the responsibility of the unassuming father to pay child support, along with her self-righteous California law knowledge, Carnell brought up a voluntary realtionship with the child without a court order.  While Allred was focusing on the hurt Enrique caused to the child for his poor decision and "why is there all this talk about this money when the most important harm has been to this child?" Carnell was spot-on by saying, "Ok, take the money out of the equation and tell her to give the money back. to Enrique."  And Allred was quite lame with her stand that Enrique should have known that she was lying because he he has medical training.  That was so off base.

 

Almost all of Allred's facts were totally unfounded and she quickly tried to turn the tables on the topic by stating that the real problem is dead-beat dads.  Awesome, Gloria!  You looked more foolish than on any other program I've seen you on.

 
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October 29, 2007, 6:08 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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Women who pass their kids off as someone else's should be ashamed of themselves.  It is women like that who make it hard for women like me.  My ex husband has been denying our 18 year old son since before he was born.  Never mind that I have always been willing to have my son tested.  He is over $20.000 behind in child support and hasn't seen my son in 11 years.  I thank God for my current husband; a real man who has taken on the responsibility of being my son's "dad".
I totally agree! These women are wasting the money, time and resources that should be spent pursuing those men that are biological fathers who refuse to support their children. I too  am a single mom raising two children whose father has only been ordered to pay $35.00 in child support a month because he refuses to work and has at least two other children with two other women that he doe not support. These women want to be compensated for being dishonest and a lot of times they are multiple offenders because they get away with it with no consequences.
 
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October 29, 2007, 6:08 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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You obviously have no personal experience in these matters; if you had, then your opinion would not be so one-sided.  How dare you make the defense that Maria probably had  'a good reason.'   Open your eyes.
Please do open my eyes, what is a good reason to cheat on your husband, make me a list!
 
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October 29, 2007, 6:08 pm PDT

West Virginia group trying to change existing law

BE CAREFUL  THE LAW IN WEST VIRGINIA WOULD HAVE KEPT ENRIQUE ON THE HOOK. . Fortunately, one group Men And Women Against Discrimination (MAWAD.org) is introducing legislation to change this. It is certainly unjust for Enrique to be mandated to continue to pay child supp rt, but should be allowed to maintain the father/ daughter relationship if he so chooses. The ex-wife certainly thinks he is a fit father or she wouldn't have chosen him to "father" her child. Enrique's ex wife is to blame for the hurt her child feels. Enrique certainly could have told his daughter in a more responsible way, and  he expressed remorse for not having done so. The ex-wife was using her daughter as a pawn in order to financially benefit from her fraud. It was a infuriating to watch the ex wife being so smug. She should be ordered to repay every dime of child support she fraudulently obtained from Enrique. She should also face some sort of sanctions for withholding the child from her true father. The BIO DAD IS A VICTIM TOO. He has been kept from the love and affection of his daughter. He should not be held responsible for past child support, and the mother should pay him some type of restitution as well. The time he has lost with his child CANNOT be made up financially.The bio dad should be able to slowly start some type of relationship with his daughter. The child needs to know their Bio fathers medical history. The best interest of the child deals with the truth.
 
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October 29, 2007, 6:09 pm PDT

Mom should pay

How dare the mom expect the tricked dad to pay.  Dr. Phil is right the child comes first, money second.  But to me that means that the mom should be financially responsible.  She is the LIAR and created this whole mess.  The dad should have never cut ties.  I'm sure he was devastated after being lied to for years but he should have been there emotionally for the child.  I hope they could work on their relationship.

It's pretty sad because the mom did not seem remorseful at all.  If that were me I would be begging for forgiveness from both the child and the ex.

 
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October 29, 2007, 6:09 pm PDT

Selena

I feel terrible for Selena. Her mother lied to her. Her father has abandoned her.

I do not think the court should mandate that Enrique continue to pay child support. I do think that if Enrique loves Selena, that the paternity test results would not matter to him and he would continue to not only be a part of Selena's life but would want to help financially.

Gloria Allred disgusts me. What is up with her? Does she have a clue? It doesn't appear that she thinks that Maria should be held responsible for starting this whole mess.

Further, Maria acts as if her infidelity is not a big deal.
 

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October 29, 2007, 6:09 pm PDT

parent trap or dog and pony show

 I watch faithfully from the day the show came on and I was really disappointed today.  Firstly, I believe, unlike Gloria Allred, that this paternity trap is rampant throughout our country.  It absolutely defies common sense that a man would be held legally responsible for supporting a child that is not biologically his. To use some sort of wishywashy law that says you have a certain period of time to question paternity or too bad is ridiculous.  The issue of paternity is completely seperate from being a father.  I would fight with the men to put a law on the books in all states that allows anyone to get a paternity test and be released from child support once it was determined he was not the father.  In the case of fatherhood, that to me, is a different matter.  Each circumstance is different, but I believe the man should have full rights to visit or continue to be a "father " in the life of the child if it is in the best interest of the child and father.  This can be done without a legal requirement to pay child support.  Next time-rethink Gloria Allred. She was unprepared and quite the opportunist. I resent that she came on to push her book .Imagine, turning this into a forum on fathers that don't pay child support- Dr. Phil-you were bought hook,line and sinker.
 
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