Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 30, 2007, 11:39 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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LOOKS like you are making there situation yours. Just because you had that experience doesn't mean this is the same thing, Maria should have been honest with her own child but the $$$$$$ was to good. !!!
 

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October 30, 2007, 11:44 am PDT

In general, I agree with you.

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I do not believe that someone should pay child support if they are not the biological parent.
Ordinarily, neither do I.  But then what do you propose?   Since the biological father is nowhere in sight , do you propose we endorse that the only father she has known abandon her financially (like many here suggest)?  Who really has more to lose in this terrible situation?  The daughter, or the adult?  It is about choosing the lesser of two evils.  Life's choices aren't always black and white, nor are the choices necessarily good for ALL involved.  This is why there is a CHOICE to be made at all.  Neither choice is fair to both father and child simultaneously.  Nevertheless, I feel strongly that the MORAL decision (which the father in this case should have made WILLINGLY) is to continue loving AND financially supporting his daughter, rather than make her pay for what that awful woman did.  Love the child more than you hate the mother...  That's the lesser of the two evils in my book.
 
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October 30, 2007, 11:44 am PDT

"making their situation mine"?? Uh, I have no children.

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LOOKS like you are making there situation yours. Just because you had that experience doesn't mean this is the same thing, Maria should have been honest with her own child but the $$$$$$ was to good. !!!
 
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October 30, 2007, 11:45 am PDT

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I am a single mother of 4 girls and i watched this show yesterday it broke my heart besides the fact that mothers or women should just not do this its unfair and i think it should be illegal. I have to battle everday with my ex to make sure he pays his child support. but when he goes out of state into another country there is nothing the state of washington can do this is unbelivble I am hear to tell you if my kids dad would be apart our there life and not pay i would be happy it is about the support that the father has to be pay to help support his child but really who always pays in the end our children do no matter what
 
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October 30, 2007, 11:47 am PDT

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Fathers are more than a checkbook.  I don't think he should have to pay if he isn't the biological father - especially since he's been lied to this whole time.  HOWEVER, if he's raised this child and is the Dad that the child knows - I would assume there is love between the two of them.  That relationship should continue. 

 

Biology has less to do with parenthood than love, trust, teaching and caring that comes from that relationship.  "Anyone can be a father - but it takes someone special to be a Dad"

 

Just my 2 cents.

And I hope you are someone special in a child life.

Thanks from a single parent whose ex chose not to be involved.

He has a girlfriend and HER kids

 

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October 30, 2007, 11:47 am PDT

You are right on!

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It was so sad to listen to the young girl talking about her dad (the only one she's ever known) telling her he wasn't her Biological Father.  Well, unfortunately the X-wife was VERY wrong with what she did BUT the relationship with Father/Daughter had already been established for years...How could you put a price on that?  How could you possibly STOP that loving relationship for the sake of the Almighty Dollar?  Sure, be mad as HECK at the EX but don't take it out on that sweet little daughter.  That just wasn't right ,in my opionon. 
I seem to be one of the only few on this board that believes this is the moral (and obvious) perspective.  Glad to see I'm not alone in putting the kid before the money and revenge.
 
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October 30, 2007, 11:48 am PDT

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I am surprized that no one has said anything about MARIA!!!  She is not only a liar but she has brain washed both of those girls to think what she has done is OK. After Dr. Phil spoke to the child I could clearly see that that child was promted by mom because mom has repeated that it is his responsibility to take care of her. What Maria is doing and has done is all about the money , if she needs money to take care of the child find her biological father or get a job where she can take care of her child without lying and stealing to feed her children. She has a man now and if he is willing to support that child then let him but I am a women and always on the women's side until today Maria. You have embarrassedmall women and you need to quit. You have made your personal fight with your X in your daughters fight and still continue to want to punish him for not wanting to be with you! STOP IT become a real women admit your wrong and pay the man his money back!!!!!!!

AGREE, AGREE and AGREE!!!!!!!!   WELL STATED!!!!!!

 

 
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October 30, 2007, 11:50 am PDT

Where are the rights of an unwed father?

My husband's ex-girlfriend and her boyfriend at the time my husbands child was born was given another mans name and the boyfriends name was put on the birth certificate.  The boyfriend knew that the child was not his but wanted to raise him as his own.  My husband just assumed that the child was not his when he found out about the boyfriend and the fact that the child was given this mans name.  My husband had a DNA 15 years later and found out that he is the biological father.  Now we are trying to get my husband named as the legal father and get the boyfriend out of the picture. 

 

The problem is that since the boyfriend signed the birth certificate he more less adopted the child.  We have to get him to sign his rights away.

 

The mom is now going after my husband for 15 years of back child support.  We are fighting this in court as my husband was never given the chance to be the childs father.  She gave that to another man whom got to spend the first years of the childs life with him. 

 

This is a sad situation for my husband as well as the child.  This was a very poor decision of the mothers and now my husband and the child are having to deal with it.

 

I am happy to say we are trying to get all of this untangled through the courts and my husband and the child are working on getting a relationship going.  The unfortunate thing is that the mother does not seem to want the child to have a relationship with his dad.  Seems that she is only interested in the support.  My husband wants to provide for this child and will. 

 

For you men out there, Can you imagine raising a child with another mans name and your grandchildren even having a diffrent name than yours?  I am a women and I can't imagine it.

 

I just dont understand some women!

 
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October 30, 2007, 11:51 am PDT

For the Fathers

I am a mother of 2. After watching this show I had to come write my thoughts here. I believe that the man who is not the biological father to the child should NOT have to pay child support. However, if there has been a  relationship where he is seen as the 'dad', then he should continue to be the dad with no monitary gain (child support) for the mother. He  should be able to continue visitation rights until a biological father comes into the picture.  Then that is a whole different show.  If the mother had wanted childsupport then she should be going after the biological dad and not pretending it is her husbands, boyfriend or any one elses if she knows different. That is her loss for lying- no monitary gain.  The child will/should  continue to have a father figure if there is no legal issues of having to pay child support if the child is not his biologically. Especially if he has been lied to the whole time.  Well that is my thoughts, to me it seems so simple where it is a win-win situation if it can be called that in this horrible mess. 'Dad' and child get to continue a relationship, yet 'Dad' does not have to pay for the moms 'mistake' .
 
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October 30, 2007, 11:52 am PDT

Maria should be the one who is punished

Being a mother of 2, step mother to 2, guardian of my nephew and not getting any consistent child support, I am outraged that this mother has no remorse about what SHE did not only to her child but this innocent man who took her for her obviously deceitful word.  I think it is deplorable that this man should be expected to continue to pay for a child that was not " biologically" fathered by him.  Now don't get me wrong this child's feelings and well being need to be considered, however, I do not understand what the money has to do with the relationship with this child.  Why should he have to pay for the " privilege" of seeing her.  Maria she be forced to reimburse him for what he has paid in since she knew all along this child was not his.  He knows his reaction was wrong , but he was hurt and we have all made bad decisions or reacted in a way that if we thought first we would react ALOT differently.  Give this man a break, he was the one that was wronged and now he wants to make up for his wrong doing, how does the mother expect to make up for her wrong doing.  This has always been a sore subject with me because I think it is horrible that the only gender that gets to choose whether or not to parent is the woman.  She has all the options and the man has none.  She can choose to abort and decide she made a mistake and choose not to parent , however where is the mans choice? He has none!  If she chooses to keep the child then he is stuck for life.  Now, I am not talking about a committed relationship and whoops a child is conceived.  I am talking about a casual fling and due to bad judgment birth control, for what ever reason, is not used and now the woman has the man under a barrel.  I know this is a bit off topic but it needs to be addressed and is along the same lines as the topic of the show.
 

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