Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 30, 2007, 12:25 pm PDT

More than a cash cow

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Fathers are more than a checkbook.  I don't think he should have to pay if he isn't the biological father - especially since he's been lied to this whole time.  HOWEVER, if he's raised this child and is the Dad that the child knows - I would assume there is love between the two of them.  That relationship should continue. 

 

Biology has less to do with parenthood than love, trust, teaching and caring that comes from that relationship.  "Anyone can be a father - but it takes someone special to be a Dad"

 

Just my 2 cents.

I agree that we are much more than a cash cow for deceptive women. If we make a mistake and marry such a woman and take on the responsibilty of her children, no matter who she had as the father for each of them, it is our own fault and need to be the responsible person. However, if by trickery the man is caused to be responsible for a child that is not his then the cash drain needs to be stopped BUT if the bonding with the child has any merit he should continue to be emotionally responsible.

 

Even though I have no blood related grandchildren, I still have 12 grandchildren and 2 great grandchilden, that are mine in an emotional way as well as several more that claim me as their Pap, Poppy or grandpa.

 

For some of the children and grandchildren, I am the only father image they have or will have. This I don't mind as is a gift from God but the deception is very hard to forgive. Praise the Lord that he has forgiven a deceptive wife.

 
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October 30, 2007, 12:27 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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The part that got me was Gloria, the woman lawyer. She is such a moron. She ignored everyone to spew her message, which, by the way, had NOTHING to do with the show. She's an idiot in my book. What a waste of good air time!
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hallelluia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will have to agree.
 
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October 30, 2007, 12:27 pm PDT

AGREED!

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The part that got me was Gloria, the woman lawyer. She is such a moron. She ignored everyone to spew her message, which, by the way, had NOTHING to do with the show. She's an idiot in my book. What a waste of good air time!

i had no idea why Gloria was there.......she absolutely had no say on the subject presented that made sense. I agree with the Men's advocate.........P.S. i am a woman with 4 kids and think the "father" is being railroaded.

 
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October 30, 2007, 12:28 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I think that I have one good point that nobody has mentioned.  Isn't a birth certificate a legal document?  Knowing that you are lying is like tax evasion.  Now I don't think that the mothers should be punished, but if there is someone to punish it is the mother not the incorrect father.  More importantly the correct father should be found because the child and the biological father both have the right to know.
 
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October 30, 2007, 12:29 pm PDT

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The part that got me was Gloria, the woman lawyer. She is such a moron. She ignored everyone to spew her message, which, by the way, had NOTHING to do with the show. She's an idiot in my book. What a waste of good air time!
I AGREE!
 
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October 30, 2007, 12:31 pm PDT

Mothers deciving men!

I think it's unbelievable how women can be so deciet full. I have three children and my oldest has a differnt father then my younger two. My ex is on the birth certificate however my daughter knows the truth and my ex met me while I was pregnant. I gave the biological father a choice to be in my daughters life and they talk all the time however he didn't want to pay support so I he chose not to go after visitation but I have never lied to anyone and never forced my ex to be in her life. My husband on the other hand was with a girl and they were apart for a month and when he returned he found out that she was pregnant. She swore to him that it was his baby and he married her and took care of the baby. We know have custody of his daughter but I believe that she is not his biological daughter. He loves her and has raised her for 9 years now and wonders in the back of his head whether or not she is his but will never do anything about it because he loves his daughter. I couldn't imagine him leaving his daughter like that dad did. It broke my heart to see that the mother didn't step up and say something. I think that there are to many women who want a free ride and they get knocked up by some guy and he doesn't want a kid or does't have the money to support a kid so the women decides to find a guy with money to take care of her kid. It's sickening.
 
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October 30, 2007, 12:33 pm PDT

A Damn Shame

     After watching Monday's show on "The Parent Trap" I couldn't believe how selfish, smalled minded, and crazy that Maria believes that a man that's not the child father should pay child support. Women like her are often reasons for domestic violence because this whole issue started with a lie...A lie Dr.Phil in which is my terms is a red flag for potential future problems. Its a dishonor to be in such a presence of a woman who laughs as if this matter is funny to her. Along the show I jumped and applauded the man who called himself "Man 4 Justice" His opinions and feelings about this matter are right on point. Men by the Judaical system is looked at as the casual problems of family issues from child support to protective order issues by a jealous women who enjoy watching men suffer. Gloria Alred was very disrespectful towards the "Man 4 Justice" however he said something that Gloria Alred couldn't agree with is the Truth!
Is it better to lie and hurt the child more or tell the Truth, get clarity and get healing?
I said it once and I will say it again... Children don't mess themselves up , Adults do it and Maria just proved my point. What a Damn Shame. 
 
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October 30, 2007, 12:43 pm PDT

Only in America

Everyone agrees that the father and daughter should continue their relationship but there are two other issues here. 

1.  Should a man have to pay child support for another's child.  The simple answer for any thinking person is ABSOLUTELY NOT!  The law needs to be changed so that victims are NOT required to pay for anothers crime (the woman's fraudulent claim of paternity).  All amounts previously paid should be repaid to the man.

2.  The other issue is that woman lawyer.  She did not answer direct questions but rather changed the topic to other issues; she ranted and raved about the "best interest of the child" (nice legal term for family courts, like they know what that is!) when the topic was "should the man continue to pay?".  She contributed nothing to the show except to show how she views the rights of inocent victims in these cases (short answer; they have none).

 

Bottom line: The man is a victim and the courts continue the crime when they require him to continue to pay.  The mother should be prosecuted for fraud (a real crime) and be required to pay him back.  When are we going to get this system fixed?

 
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October 30, 2007, 12:43 pm PDT

Question

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I would propose the following though not perfect:

1.   Legal action would be instituted to require paternity testing on all births.  (this would verify that the person listed on the birth certificate was the biological father) 

2.   Knowingly listing an incorrect individual as the father would be a felony and subject to serious and manditory fines, and prison time.

 

In this situation:

 

1.   Visitation rights would be granted to the "father"

2.   The "father" would pay a percentage (say 1%) of any state minimum child support.

3.   The mother would have to re-pay any child support received to date.

5.   The mother would be required to contact the biological father (if known)

6.   The biological father would be required to pay child support: from current date forward OR back child  support IF he knew that the child was his at the time of birth.  OR had cause to know and did not pursue paterinty testing.

 

That is my thought for what it is worth.

 

On # 6, why "IF" the biological father knew?
 
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October 30, 2007, 12:44 pm PDT

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When the show first began I took the fathers side, just by viewing his demeanor. I thought the mother looked like a woman with secrets up her sleeve. But, as the show progressed I found myself torn between different sides. For one thing, I am surprised no one gave the mother any credit or took her side. I don't mean her side as in the lying part but on the show she was very well put together. She never called names, she never accused, she never defended her actions. She always agreed when the audience booed her and Dr. Phil called her out. I think she really was there on the show for the daughter. As an adoptee myself, I whole heartedly believe that when you raise a child it is YOUR responsibility.

 

Now, the guest speaker, I forget his name but he was the man who said he had payed child support for eleven years when he was not the father. Why did no one think to call him out on the fact that he never bothered to get a DNA test when an ex girlfriend just called him up one day. That is pretty irresponsible if you ask me and he seemed to be a man that cared more about triumphing over accusing women than getting something serious done. In the case with the parents at hand they had been married at the time and I can understand why no DNA test was done.

 

The mother was completely at fault. No question about that. However, raising a child as your own for 10 years even when you were duped should be enough to have to pay child support. You were part of a unit, a family and all expenses were shared. Should the mother have to go to court for a lie? It is possible. But, as Gloria Allred said the child comes first. It is all about the child. Feminists get off your cushion about being treated fairly and men bring down your egos about who you may or may not have knocked up.

 

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