Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 30, 2007, 6:17 pm PDT

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 I was surprised , that when Dr. Phil spoke privately to the young lady about how she felt about her father and the news he gave her, that he didn't ask her about how she felt about her MOTHER and the fact that she lied to her for all these years. The child MUST be wondering about her bio father, what he looks like, who he is, what he does. And what ABOUT the bio father, He may be thrilled to have a daughter, he may be furious that he never knew about her and missed her growing up, HIS parents are missing a beautiful granddaughter. Its  huge mess that has affected soo many people.. I think too much blame and negativity has been placed on Enrique. I have a sister in law that told her twin sons that their birth father was dead.( Her husband at theirconception and the father of her oldest boy.) Low and behold when they we 17 yrs old, didn't a family friend tell them that their father was alive and well and living in a neighboring state and had been trying to make contact with them for years.. They were soooo Mad, and guess what, my sister in law, collected Social security survivor benefits for the twins from the dead husband's social security for years and got away with it.
 
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October 30, 2007, 6:17 pm PDT

Parent Trap

I truly feel hurt for Selina, she is in the middle.  But the man that raised her for ten years is not a man at all he is a weak man.  It is true that the mother was not honest and forth right in this situation.  But I also blame he had some ideas that she was not his child, it had to take his new wife who I feel did not want that child in his life.  The way he told her he was truly a coward, a weak man who let this woman his new wfie distroy a childs life where she may never trust a man again.  She looked as if she was hurt.

 

It is true a lot of men do not take care of their children and I feel he should pay child support after all he destroyed her life just leaving her at the park or after bringing her home.  I just can't get over how he told a child that he claimed he did not want her after the mother lied to him or did she I feel he knew and let his new wife do the talking.  Looking at the show he was not sorry and maybe down the road she will forgive him I don't know only God can fix that. 

 

Then he did not want the new husband to adopt her what is with that he does not want her so why not give her a father figure to hopefully help her get over the man that claimed he loved her and I really I don't think he did if he could cut her off with no feelings at all.

 
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October 30, 2007, 6:23 pm PDT

TRAPPING MEN WITH CHILDREN

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     Since the beginning of time women have had an advantage over men when it comes to parenting.A woman always KNOWS a child belongs to her.A  man can only know what he's told.Therefore the greater responsibility belongs to a mother.

Readers and Dr. Phil - Smack that mother for me for smiling like she didn't do anything. I just hope the man that was LIED to try to have a relationship with the daughter.  I really feel that the mother is telling her things about the man - she is keeping this mess going. Drop the money and let the man do what he wants for the girl without her lying interference. The new step-dad better watch out - she is a CHEATER - and in the worst kind of way.

 

THE WOMAN THAT WAS ON YOUR SHOW SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HERSELF. SHE CREATED THIS MESS AND SHE WAS SHAKING HER HEAD LIKE SHE DID NOTHING WRONG.  LIKE THE OLD FOLKS ALWAYS SAY MOMMAS BABY - DADDY'S MAYBE.  A lot of light skinned women or white women have done this for a long time because the other party is also light skinned.  In the black community there are so many shades of color it is kind of hard to put the child off on the father (It happens though - so don't email me about what I expressed in this email). 

 

It still boils down that the mother lied and the so called father at the time still should have showed the girl love because he raised her and you can not turn off true love.  The child is truly hurt in this situation. 

 

My skin and my blood was boiling every time I saw the mother shaking her head like she didn't do anything wrong. She knew she committed adultery and she had the nerve to be smiling about the situation. I just wanted to smack some since into her - she just want the money. Again, The new step-dad better watch out - she is a CHEATER - and in the worst kind of way. How many other men did she sleep with and didn't tell her husband?

 
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October 30, 2007, 6:23 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I have paid child support for over 25 years. What the parent spends the money on is nobodies business but the parents. They may choose to spend it on hair-dos and manicures,,,so what?,,,all that will do is free up some of their own cash so they have more to spend on the child. I also feel that a man should pay child support even if the child is not his,,unless it was a short marriage or union. The thing that is important is the child. The child support will help the child to live a life closer to what they were accustomed to when the people were together and that is what is most important.
Child Support is just that, money received for child support is to be spent on the child not friviolous things. I disagree with you that a man should pay child support even if the child is not his. Yes the child is important , but it's not right for women to trap men. And it wasn't right for Maria to do what she did to Enrique.
 
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October 30, 2007, 6:26 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

Both parents should be ashamed of themselves..The Mother should have been honest all along..But The Father should be ashamed for abandoning that little girl..He raised her for 9 years,she considered him her father and to dismiss her in such a cold and callous way disturbs me.I know that the shock of the DNA test had to be devastating for the Father..But in my heart , I believe as a Parent, if someone were to come to me now and say my Daughter wasn't really mine, I may be confused and angry..but my feelings for that child would not be changed..she would still be mine.I cant imagine the damage this has done to that little girl..Shame on you all
 
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October 30, 2007, 6:28 pm PDT

Remember this?

Whatever happened to "All's fair in Love and War?" Enrique got smart 13 years later, so he should be able to walk away now, if he chooses. Sorry, Selina, to hear you are 1/2 orphan - but you don't say anything about the deceitfulness your Mom has taught you by example...It may take you a while before you trust men, so stay celibate until you are married. That way you don't act like your Mom. Lick your wounds everybody, and get on with your life. Good, juicy show material, though.  
 
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October 30, 2007, 6:30 pm PDT

to heck with the adults, lets help the little girl

I have alot of opnions about both parents, how they both really screwed up, but they are grown ups and can live with thier decisions,, but a 13 yr old lil girl has been really devistated here, and she should be the focus on how do you help her,

  she needs her father to get back in her life, and thru Dr phils guidance, try to make up for his very bad judgement on cutting her out of his life,,, and dont stop trying to make it up to her for the rest of his life.

  what a wonderful little young lady, that needs her father to stop the bleeding ,,, noone else can help fix that wound,,,, he will need alot of guidance to fix it,,, but I believe Dr phil is educated and smart enuff to give him the help he needs to help his daughter live a normal and loving life

 

 
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October 30, 2007, 6:32 pm PDT

Justice System Is Screwed Up

I am speaking from personal experience on this topic.  My husband was married to a woman years ago.  They had two children together.  After the second child was born, he had a vasectomy.  Well after he had the vasectomy, his wife became pregnant with a third child.  He knew the child wasn't his and they actually ended up getting divorced due to her infidelity.  However, because he is a good man, he was there for her throughout the pregnancy and with her when she gave birth.  Even she admitted, she wasn't sure who the father was, because she was sleeping with several at that time.  Unfortunately for him, even though he knew the child wasn't his, and she admitted it wasn't his, because they were still legally married, the state of Florida had a law that stated in the eyes of the law, he is the legal father and his name was listed on the birth certificate.  So, for 18 years, he has paid child support for a child who is not biologically his.  In fact, next week he will be making his final child support check on her.  This is not the end of this story.  When they first divorced, she wanted none of the children.  However, he insisted she take the new baby because she was not his, and she was being breastfed.  He took the older son and daughter.  He had a great relationship with them, and also with the child who was not biologically his.  He raised her as his own, even though she remained in her mother's custody her entire life.  His ex-wife caused so many problems, I cannot even begin to go into them here without writing a novel.  When their middle child, a daughter turned 12, his ex decided she wanted custody of her.  Up until that time, she adored her father.  She was a straight A student, never got into trouble or anything.  However, when they went before the judge, the judge said a 12 year old girl had no business living with her father and should be with the mother.  No further investigation, no concerns that she was involved in a violent marriage that the police had been called out to their home on numerous occassions for domestic violence, and no concerns for the fact that the stepfather had a very extensive violent criminal record.  The judge only stated a daughter belonged with her mother.  So, from that point on, both girls lived with the mother, and the son lived with my husband.  The middle daughter drastically changed after going to live with her mother.  She started hating her father.  The children all hated us because when they were at their mother's, there were no rules, they were allowed to drink, smoke, have sex, anything they wanted.  When they were with us, there were rules and they didn't like that.  The middle daughter started failing school, had a drinking problem and numerous other issues.  His ex allowed the then 15 year old daughter's 19 year old boyfriend to move in with them.  Lets just say she is now 20 and has 3 children.  His ex prevented my husband from having his court-ordered visitation.  She denied him any contact with the children.  Whenever we went to court to ask the judge for help, he would never intervene.  He never would enforce his own court order that said he was to be allowed visitation every other weekend, during the summer and holidays.  Basically, he was saying his own court order wasn't worth the paper it was written on.  The only thing he would enforce was my husband continuing to pay child support on a child who was not his biologically because he was still legally married to the woman when she gave birth and by law, whether it was his child or not, he was considered the father.  So, you tell me, where is the justice in that.  We have paid child support on a child we have not been permitted any contact with in years.  A child that is not his.  Where is the real father?  Why has he never been made to stand up and take responsibility for the child that is his.  We too tried to stop having to pay child support, but were unsuccessful.  Believe me, were my husband permitted to continue to have had a normal, healthy relationship with her, we would not have done that, but he was not.  The child was told by her mother that he is not her real father and she wants nothing to do with him, all they want is his money. 

 

I realize children are important, and we need to do right by them.  But the right people need to be held responsible for doing right by them. 

 
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October 30, 2007, 6:34 pm PDT

Thanks Dr. Phil

I'm just grateful to finally start seeing people open their eyes to these problems. I hope this is just the beginning of more to come as these problems occur way too often and they need to stop.
 
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October 30, 2007, 6:35 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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THE MOM MADE A CHOICE TO LIE TO HER OWN CHILD. SHE SHOULD HAVE KEPT HER LEGS SHUT. SHE IS A LIAR. IF SHE HAD TOLD THE TRUTH NO ONE WOULD BE IN THIS MESS. WHY DOES SHE NOT WANT TO SUPPORT HER OWN CHILD. I'VE GOT YOUR NUMBER TOO. IT'S EASY SITTING THERE MAKING JUDGMENTS ABOUT PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW! MARIA'S THE ONE STEALING THE MONEY AND LIEING, NOT MIA! GET A CLUE!
 I get it!  I know the mom is immoral and a liar.  She never denied any of that.   I have NO defense for her.  But what do you suppose was Mia's motive?  Do you really think she is soooo concerned for the child that she just had to see to it that this bomb be dropped on her head at 10?  Why is everyone so interested in the 'money'?  I am interested in the welfare of the child.  Money be hanged.  Once all the sins of the mother are known then you have the conundrum of what to do.  What REALLY matters?  The lies, the money or the child?
So you don't have any number of mine.  But, Mia made hers loud and clear on National TV.  Now who gets the money?????????????
 
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