Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 31, 2007, 11:31 am PDT

Your wrong

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I agree that Mia does not seem like she is a mother.  I haven't read all of the posts...and don' t know if this came out in them or not....but I don't see how ANYONE who is a mother could allow that little girl to go through what Selina is experiencing.  Does anyone know?  Does Mia have children?   I am also very angry at Maria....but Enrique needs to "grow a set" and stand up to BOTH of these domineering women.

 

Even if Selina isn't his...there is absolutely NO QUESTION that she is the innocent victim and needs compassion from all sides.  If Mia is trying to score "new wife" points...she is going in the wrong direction.  I've been there.

Actually, Mia is scoring LOTS of "new wife points"  with HER husband.  He likes it AND he likes her and her BALLS. Who are you to say what he should do?

 

Who cares wether MIA is a mother or not???  What does that have to do with ANYTHING??  And you know what, YES...she is a mother...she is a STEP mother!!!  I am willing to bet that in her role she is doing a better job by her husbands daughter AND Selina than their BIO mom EVER could!!!  Mia is an HONEST person...YOU CANT SAY THE SAME FOR MARIA NOW CAN YOU!!!!

 

Why shouldn't Mia stand up for her husband???  They are a TEAM.

 

Mia, I am proud of you for taking a stand and not letting Enrique's crazy ex-wife bully you into taking a back seat regarding things that have to do with YOUR husband and therefore YOUR life. ;)

 
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October 31, 2007, 11:40 am PDT

tell it like it is

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First....Maria is dead wrong for what she did to Enrique.  I think that 's obvious.  But MIa will have to someday face the consequences of her actions.  I, too, am a step mother to children whose biologiical mom did some very hurtful things.  I could have easily started a war with the ex and tried to control the situation.  But the ONLY true casualty of that war would have been the children.  Mia had an opportunity to  be a healer, a peaceamaker, a supportive  stepmother, a compassionate wife, a DECENT HUMAN BEING. 

 

But she is SO controlled by her hate for Maria that she has taken a "win at any cost" stance.  Enrique is obviously a man who does not make decisions for himself, and allowed Mia to lead him into this battle.

 

After  the show, Mia may feel like she "won" because so many were mad at Maria (myself included). 

But after the cameras stop rolling and the national glare is off of this situation, her manipulative and bitter approach to this family crisis will probably have severe consequences  - for MIA.  if she and Enrique survive this scandal intact, it will not be because she took the high road...it will simply be luck. 

 

Had I taken the same approach as Mia with my step children and the ex.......I could not have held my head up and looked myself in the mirror (or gone on national tv).  As many, many times as I wanted to "destroy" the ex....I was able to keep my mouth shut and my heart open....and my step children are happier and healthier because I put their needs before mine.  C'mon Mia.......GROW UP AND THINK OF SOMEONE BESIDES YOURSELF.  that little girl deserves better than this........

 Your thoughts are my thoughts.  You sound like a lovely person.  My daughter is a 2nd wife with a step son.  She too could have made wars with the angry bio mom and all that that intailed.  But, I advised her for the sake of the child make friends of that woman, defuse the anger, appreciate her side of things and let her see you are a peace maker so that HER child can have a happy upbringing.  She was successful in her efforts, the court battles ended, the fighting stopped.  The boy now is almost grown.  He's a good kid.  He loves my daughter and there is PEACE.
Their fights were over similar things, lies, money.......etc.  The most important thing was this little human being who was dependent on all these knuckle headed adults for love and care.
I find this Mia a despicable ,self centered horrible excuse for a woman.  Thank you for saying what you said.
 
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October 31, 2007, 11:40 am PDT

I agree!

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I have never felt so compelled to write as I do over this circumstance.  I consider myself fair, and there is no fair in this mess!  First, (as someone who worked in law for 22 years), I'm disgusted at Gloria A.  You can promote the law, and justice, at the same time.  She did neither!  She is a disgrace to the legal profession and was obviously looking for a promotional opportunity. 

 

Yes, Enrique was wrong for abandoning his daughter emotionally and physically and shame on him and his new wife for allowing that to occur.  Shame on him for creating this abandonment in the first place and,  seeing as how the new wife was the one bent on justice in the first place, shame on the new wife to allow this injustice to a child. 

 

However . . . Enrique is NOT  responsible for financial support and the biological father should be sought in this regard, including arrears (if not attached to the mother for her deceit).  In fact, in the interest of healing these relationships, it is unconscionable that the mother (ex-wife) would even ask for child support; where do her interests "really" lie?  In making amends to all parties involved or getting her child support check.  She appeared a gloating, self-righteous woman who no doubt will cheat on her apparently kind hearted new husband.  She is a disgrace to ALL women of respect and honor and should be put in her place and not allowed to make such smug and demeaning behavior. 

 

PLEASE Dr. Phil get to the "real" background of this matter and tell the parties the truth that they need to hear (especially that dispicable mother).  I see this mom as manipulative and conniving for money and wanting to be the sole love of these girls.  I don't think she'll let Enrique make amends for his behavior.  She'll get in the way of any healing these kids can do with their Dad (oh, and blame the lack of progress on him).

 

I completely agree with you here.  The sad part to me is that the fathers feel forced to go to the courts and ask to sign off on their legal rights in order to not be punished for x amount of years in paying child support for a child that is simply not theirs.  It is ludacrous that there are no laws to protect the rights of the children AND the innocent fathers.  If there HAS to be a court order in place, it should be for visitation so that the mother cannot use the child as a pawn.

 

In my case, I know that my ex would have stayed in contact with the daughter he raised as his own.  However, he didn't even make enough money to support himself.  He dropped out of college to marry and support the girl that he "thought" he got pregnant so he was working blue collar jobs.  He also started going back to college, which is extremely costly.  After years of suffering and barely getting by, he should be allowed to move forward with his own life.

 

The ONLY way possible to get out of the child support was to sign over rights b/c the mother would NOT allow us to see the daughter anymore unless we PAID.  The thing that makes me sick is that EVERY time that child came to us, she had clothes that didn't fit her.  The mother spent every penny on herself and going out partying every night.  I literally got sick when I was giving her a bath one night and she was wearing a size 5 panties...she was ACTUALLY a size 8.  The band was cutting into her skin.

 

If we could have had the money to hire a top lawyer and fight for full custody, we would have in a heartbeat.  We showed that child more love and support and attention than her own mother did.  She told me all the time that she wished that I was her mother b/c I paid attention to her.  It broke my heart.

 

People need to understand that it is NOT easy for the father to walk away.  It is absolutely devastating.  My ex became so depressed that he often thought about taking his own life.  His purpose was ripped from him.  He still continues to battle depression.  The mother is the one to blame for everything.  It is a crime and it should NOT pay.

 

That attorney that was on Dr. Phil made me SICK SICK SICK.  I wanted to just slap her face she was making me so mad.  She has no clue what these fathers go through.  Yes, it is sad for the child, but let's get a legal system that says to a mother: YOU CANNOT DUPE INNOCENT MEN INTO PAYING FOR YOUR CHILDREN OUT OF WEDLOCK!!  Wouldn't that stop the problem?  Then, if a man found out he wasn't the father, he would have the choice to be there emotionally and physically for the child.  How can a man do that if the mother is threatening jail time for nonpayment of child support?  It is absolutely insane that women get away with this and there are no laws protecting the innocent father.

 

I am so sorry my posts are so long.  It just makes my blood boil and I could go on and on and on....

 
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October 31, 2007, 11:42 am PDT

Thanks

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As an adult child of divorce myself I have never heard ANYONE call me, my sister and 3 brothers my dad's old family.  I would guess that you are either very young or the NEW  wife (or both.)   Trust me any decent man's loyalty continue to lie with his children after a divorce.  You might hope for more men like Enrique but I hope for fewer stepmoms like you.

I am not a step mom.  I would never date a man with children.... because of children like you seem to be.

I agree you and your siblings are not his old family BUT,  honey, his FIRST priority is to his current wife. 

That is just how it is.  They are equals.  You are his CHILD.  Children don't get the status that is reserved for spouses.  If YOUR father did it differently, then I am sorry to say, that is probably why you believe the way you do and he did a diservice by you.  Sorry about that.

 
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October 31, 2007, 11:42 am PDT

Did he really not know?

There are men out there who know that they are not a child's biological father but choose to forgo a DNA test and be put on the birth certificate anyway... but later back out claiming that they did not know the child was theirs... Who is at fault here the mom or alleged father?

 
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October 31, 2007, 12:32 pm PDT

My husband has been a victim of Paternity Fraud.

My husband has been frauded out of over $20,000.00, due to the mother's false claim that he had fathered her child, this is after the biological father claimed voluntary paternity of the child at birth, the mother failed to state that fact when dhs/csru requested the name of the child's father, to seek childsupport, medical coverage, and reimbursement to the state for public assistance she and the child received. Myself and my husband learned after 13 years of paying childsupport that he was not the father, through DNA Testing, which we learned in 2006 was a Paternity Study, which included the biological father, whom the mother claimed was alleged father #1, and claimed my husband as alleged father #2, we want to know why the mother failed to make that claim to begin with, my husband has been frauded by these parent's, who lied to protect the biological father from held responsible for the child he created. The result of the biological father signing the voluntary paternity affidavit at birth, was that he was recorded as the father on the child's birth records while all along my husband was ordered to pay both biological parents, to support their child.

Dr. Phil this is a true story of Paternity Fraud, we would like to ask these parent's what they plan to do to take responsiblity for committing this Fraud! Can you help?

 
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October 31, 2007, 12:38 pm PDT

RE: October 29th Show

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I strongly feel that if a man finds out that a child he has been raising or supporting is not his then by all means he should NOT be obligated to pay any further child support and should be able to sue the mother for all the money he did pay to her. Some woman these days are so greedy and malicious. It's not fair to men that truly work hard for their money to be a victim of fraud like this. HOWEVER, I do feel that the relationship between dad and the child should continue. There is a special bond that is grown between the two of them and that should not be lost.
 I am single and childless, yet I feel that men do not have rights in this country, which is very unfortunate. I feel like all four of the adults lacked judgement. Enrique should have confronted Maria about this instead of bringing Selena into it. Even though Mia was concerned, I don't think it was her business. It was wrong of Maria to lie to Enrique and she should return the money to him and search for the biological father to take him to court immediately. I think that the young man who sat next to Gloria Alred on the stage was the smartest of them all and obviously paid attention in biology class. I felt that Gloria Alred was wrong and backwards on so many levels. Her attitude and logic was very disturbing to me. I also think that Selena was smarter and more mature than her parents and stepparents. She sounded like she was thirty instead of thirteen and she learned from their mistakes.
 

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October 31, 2007, 12:48 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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What I find disturbing is that no one is saying this mother committed fraud.  She accepted financial support for her child from a man that was not the father.  If they had not been married, she would have to pay him back.  Since when did a marriage certificate give you the right to lie and gain financially ?

Isn't it fraud to lie on an official document ?  Isn't a birth certificate an official document ?

 

I realize this is "about the child".  But if the child had been the mother's main concern when the child was conceived, everything would have been different.  I think the mother's irresponsibility should in NO way be rewarded here. 

 

Enrique should have the right to custody of the child he raised as his own- given the information he had - Dr. Phil says "do your best with what you know" right ?  .well he did, and now he knows more (the truth) ... and Maria should pay him child support for the daughter that she brought into this world on a lie and while cheating and breaking her marriage vows and then commiting a crime by lying on the birth certificate.

 

 

 

I agree.  Enrique should have custody of the child...or at the very least, the money he's paying should go into a trust fund.  God knows, if you can't expect the mother to tell the truth and you expect Enrique to pony up the money, then I don't trust Maria to spend the money on anyone but HERSELF!
 

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October 31, 2007, 12:57 pm PDT

Parent Trap

That mom should be ashamed of herself. She's sitting there with that smug look on her face like she is so innocent.  It's an unfortunate situation for the child, there is no argument there.  Should Enrique have gone about telling Selena differently?  Yes, no doubt about it.  Should he be required to pay child support? No.  She is not his biological daughter. It is not Enriques fault that she cheated on him.  How dare Gloria Allred say he's financially responsible for that girl. Enrique was supposed to doubt his wife? Gloria stated that if he had had any doubt at all he should have had a DNA test when the kid was 2.  That would have gone over really well. Is she crazy? 

 

I have an ex-boyfriend that does not enjoy paying his child support and has even requested his parental rights be signed over just so he doesn't have to pay any more.  As a mom, I could not ever imagine making a man pay for a child that I know is not his frpm the start.  What a piece of work that woman is.  She's in it for the $. Plain and simple.  Everyone should be pointing a finger at her and making her fix the situation.

 
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October 31, 2007, 1:07 pm PDT

I second that notion

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Women who pass their kids off as someone else's should be ashamed of themselves.  It is women like that who make it hard for women like me.  My ex husband has been denying our 18 year old son since before he was born.  Never mind that I have always been willing to have my son tested.  He is over $20.000 behind in child support and hasn't seen my son in 11 years.  I thank God for my current husband; a real man who has taken on the responsibility of being my son's "dad".
I completely agree with what you said and I am truly angry and upset regarding your own personal situation with your son's father.  It infuriates me that men can just get away with such things and leave us, women to deal with the situation on our own.  I guess that it is partly the reason why I have become celibate.  I'm going through a similar situation w/ my son's father who has chosen to move away to work as a contractor for six months rather than be here with his son at a critical and very important time in his life(our son is 15 months old).  He needs to have his father around, especially when they are so young.  Anyways,  I couldn't believe that Maria could get away with something like that.  I don't know who told her that a man that is not the biological father is obligated to pay child support, but she needs to go get her head examined.  Enrique shouldn't have to be forced to pay, it should be negotiable and up to him.  I hope that if they do take this to court, that the judge will agree.  I do feel truly sorry for Selena though.  Enrique is not only a victim, but a betrayer as well.  How could you leave a little girl whom you cared, loved, and provided for all these years?  Then up and leave like that as soon as you find out that she is not biologically yours.  What an a**hole!  If I was Selena,  I wouldn't want to be around him for awhile until I emotionally heal from this.  I think she will eventually, but it 's gonna take some time for her.  And what was up with Enrique's new wife?  She got on my last nerve!  Look, I think we all understand that he was betrayed by Maria and that it was not right that she had the affair to begin with and then lied all these years that Selena was genetically his.  But, was it me or did I not hear Dr. Phil address/explain that he agreed with her after she kept repeating herself so many damn times.  It's like, clean the earwax out of your ears, lady!  Anyways, it was just a very emotional, sad, and frustrating situation.  I felt so heartbroken when I saw and heard Dr. Phil talk to Selena.  I wanted so badly to reach through the tv into his green room and give her a hug.  I don't think he did that when he talked her, huh?  Well, I would have. Anyways, hopefully all well will ends well for this family in the future.
 
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