Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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November 1, 2007, 1:49 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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First of all, the mother should be held accountable in some way shape or form!!! She's the one that started the whole thing to begin with. She lied, cheated and totally abused the marriage in the first place. Why isn't SHE being punished in all this??? Next, if a man doesn't KNOW that his wife cheated on him, how in the world would he suspect his "child" not being his own??? In my opinion, when a man is deceived by who is really a child's father, he should NOT have to pay child support once he does find out. I think he should have the right to CHOOSE if he continues to pay or not WITHOUT penalty. He should also be allowed to remain in the child's life as an active figure if the CHILD so chooses and he should not have to pay to continue the relationship. He was clearly wronged into thinking he was the father and if he  has proof he isn't, then the mother should be punised and that man should have free rain to choose his destiny with the child. Money doesn't have to be the issue. IF the man is not the father and he doesn't wish to continue paying for another man's child, BUT he wants to continue the relationship with the child he should be allowed to do that. (Afterall, didn't Ms. Allred state that the child was the one needing the attention??? What has that got to do with the man continuing to be deleted of his money after finding out he's not the father??) The child can still be the main focus, but the man shouldn't be punished for a deceptive mother!
 Maria got all that "child support" money  by deception. How much, I wonder, was actually spent on the two girls? There's no telling how much money Maria spent on herself, giving no thought to the girls.  No court should force a man to continue child support, once it's proven he isn't the father. And, if the court wants the "support" to continue, it should go directly to an account in the child's name. With a thrid party over-seer. Seeing that the money gets spent on no one's needs but the child's. To keep the mother from  blowing the money on her  own petty whims.
 
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November 1, 2007, 1:50 pm PDT

Where is the Love

I could not help but hurt for this little girl and wonder where was the love she so deserves. It would have been nice for the father to tell her, "even though your not my biological daughter, in my heart you will always be my daughter and even though I dont agree with paying your mother child support, if you ever need anything you can come to me". Now about the mother...how about saying, "hey your not her biological father so I wont hold you responsible for child support, but for the sake of our daughter just be there for her and love her. I just think money is the issue here instead of the girls well being.  The love these parents could show her would go a lot further then money can ever buy.

 
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November 1, 2007, 1:54 pm PDT

only sorrow for Selina

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Don't get me wrong, I feel sorry for the child too. I feel sorry for Enrique because he was lied to for 10 years about the child. You don't know how a man feels to find something out like this. And regardless, NO man should ever have to pay support on a child that is not their's, unless they knew what they were getting into to begin with, without being tricked or frauded.

Do you not think this child has the right to know her biological father? Do you not think the biological father has a right to know his child?? Do you not think Maria robbed both the child and bio dad of a relationship?? What about what Maria did to both of them, along with Enrique?

Where do you get that Mia is another lying defrauder? Seems to me, she is the only one who was honest about anything with him!

It has to be devastating to find out your child is not really biologically yours.  That is part of my point.  If I suspected something like this about my husbands child and these many years had past, I would not want my husband to suffer this pain and I certainly would not want the child to bear it.  So, I would just keep my thoughts to myself and carry on.  Let the two (father and daughter) continue on with their loving relationship. Let the child have a secure and loving life.

Yes everyone can know about his biology, but you don't thrust it on a 10 year old along with this kind of rejection.  Has everyone lost their mind???

We don't know a thing about the bio dad, he could have been some drunk she met in a bar for all we know.  Maria was immoral and she decided to keep her immorality covered.  I won't speculate on her motives be they good or bad.  She was bad and it would have been best to fess up, but she didn't so let us deal with the here and now.  There is a little 10 yr old girl who loves and needs the man she has called Daddy all her life.  This is why I as the 2nd wife would have kept my mouth shut.  Nothing good can come from helping someone devastate a child.

I call Mia a lying defrauder because she is lying to herself and about herself.  She continues to put a spin on what she did by opening this can of worms as something noble.......honesty and justice.  Good words when they are genuine, but they are hollow when she says them.  Where is the justice for the child? As for honesty, I am as much for honesty as the next person, but when your honesty devastates a child then quiet is preferred to honesty.  If your child is overweight and not too cute would you appreciate me saying to the child, "My you're a fat ugly child.  Oh I'm just being honest"?

She has defrauded Enrique and Selina out of a sweet father daughter relationship.

 
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November 1, 2007, 2:10 pm PDT

what is the price of your love?

I am the life-long step-mother of a thirty year-old daughter. Now I am the Grandmother to two of my daughter's children. Who are you people who can just drop your love for a child you raised? You are missing out on a treasrue that some people would die for. You have a child's love (Selena's) and you throw it away for a selfish witch of a step-mother who needs to keep all of the money to herself.

 

You are right, the mother Maria is criminal in her behavior, but you loved that child and that child loved you. And YOU Enrique, were not even her real Father. Imagine that! She loved you anyway! Without even carrying your blood she LOVED YOU! You are a weak and spineless Man who will let a new young wife ruin your family. I am sorry that you feel you got screwed. you did, financially. But what is that compared to what you had?

I am the happiest MOM and Grandma in the world and believe me I have paid financially, gladly! My daughter's own father disowned her because his present wife witch cannot bear to have "competition" for her love. Enrique grow up! what price does your love carry? Too much for either of your daughter's I imagine. Watch out because Mia will make sure that do lose the other daughter too. And really, why should Maricela ever trust you either?

 
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November 1, 2007, 2:15 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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Thank you for your advice. I believe people are mirrors for eachother. We may mirror things that we do not like in ourselves and want to change, or perhaps things that we should really validate in us. I wish you much love and peace in your life.

Jenn :-)
 Thank you Jenn,  I do have lots of love and peace in my life.  I wish the same for you, and all the children of this world who are dependent on the  decency of us adults.
 
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November 1, 2007, 2:17 pm PDT

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Hmmm...what I believe is that women like Maria are afraid to tell the men that their child isn't theirs, because they are afraid that he is going to leave her, & her family, & that's what I can understand on. It also happened with Frankie & Gwen a few weeks ago (just titled "Frankie & Gwen"). I also have to say that women like her aren't evil creatures. True, what she did was wrong, but probably has a good reason, & that women do bad things just as the men, but they're definitely not evil. No matter what bad things they have done, I would never degrade women, like calling them awful names & such, because they're totally disrespectful. I also think that the man should continue to be in her life, just because he's been in her life for so long. If I was in the man's situation, I would continue to be there for the child, & support him/her. Should DNA matter? Absolutely not.
Women like that are now and through the centuries the mot evil and vile. There is NO good reason for adultery let alone paternity fraud. She was not to afraid to sleep with other men. Stop make excuses for whores like her. She and her adulterous partner should pay the sole burden. ANy adie form her ex hsuband should be totally voluntary
 
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November 1, 2007, 2:22 pm PDT

Torn

After watching the episode on "parent trap" I can understand both sides. I don't think that Enrique should have to pay child support. He shouldn't have cut his daughter out of his life, but he shouldn't have to pay for his wifes mistake. She should take some responsibility for once in her daughters life and find the biological father. It should not be Enriques responsibility nor burden to finance what she and her "friend" should be taking care of.

 
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November 1, 2007, 2:22 pm PDT

A shame to women everywhere

Dr. Phil made the statement that Enrique was the victim yet he was the main focus of the show.  His ex-wife was reprimanded, but that lasted a minute maybe while Enrique's mistakes were stated over and over again.  Then Gloria Allred the "high-profile feminist attorney," had the nerve to defend this woman's actions and again go after Enrique. It is very admirable that Gloria Allred does defend the right's of women, but please don't disgrace us by defending the actions of a woman who not only cheats on her husband, but allows him to raise the child without ever offering up the truth to him.  Then comes on the show and wants him to continue to pay for her mistake.  If it's about the child and not about money, shouldn't she be asking him to have a relationship with Selena rather than giving money. 

So if my husband has a daughter and I as her stepmother help support her, but unfortunately our relationship ends, do I then pay child support to him because I helped raise her for a number of years.  No, I don't think so.  We as women demand to be treated equally as men; then why is it when it comes to these kind of situations we put men on an uneven playing field? 

On this day, I am ashamed to be a woman! 

 
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November 1, 2007, 2:59 pm PDT

I Agree

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I strongly feel that if a man finds out that a child he has been raising or supporting is not his then by all means he should NOT be obligated to pay any further child support and should be able to sue the mother for all the money he did pay to her. Some woman these days are so greedy and malicious. It's not fair to men that truly work hard for their money to be a victim of fraud like this. HOWEVER, I do feel that the relationship between dad and the child should continue. There is a special bond that is grown between the two of them and that should not be lost.
I am in 100% agreement.  This mother should be sued for the child support payments she did receive from her unknowing husband/later ex-husband.  My sympathies are with any man in similar situations.  What this woman did to Enrique is called fraud.
 
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November 1, 2007, 3:00 pm PDT

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I strongly feel that if a man finds out that a child he has been raising or supporting is not his then by all means he should NOT be obligated to pay any further child support and should be able to sue the mother for all the money he did pay to her. Some woman these days are so greedy and malicious. It's not fair to men that truly work hard for their money to be a victim of fraud like this. HOWEVER, I do feel that the relationship between dad and the child should continue. There is a special bond that is grown between the two of them and that should not be lost.
I am in 100% agreement.  This mother should be sued for the child support payments she did receive from her unknowing husband/later ex-husband.  My sympathies are with any man in similar situations.  What this woman did to Enrique is called fraud.
 

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