Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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December 25, 2007, 3:35 pm PST

12/25 Parent Trap

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She should go to jail for her crimes against this man. Period. All she did was screw her daughter and husband over.
This is just another way for deadbeats not to have  to pay child support. They impregnant a dumb female like Maria and go after the man who isn't the father to pay for the child! And Maria probably isn't even an American citizen. We need new laws for illegal aliens in this country cuz this should be allowed
 
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December 25, 2007, 3:37 pm PST

Just thinking

When you love someone you invest love, time, and resources without any proof the relationship will continue or end - I believe the father in this program received joy and happiness from this child that was priceless - so for him to end the relationship was an error just like the mother's error in informing him the truth at the beginning of her birth, but I wonder if this birth did exist with the knowledge of the truth would the second daughter's birth occur- leaving this man without any children.  God has a plan to challenge everyone to be better human beings, so people lies and cheat but the death of this father and daughter relationship was not necessary or healthy for either party.  This man invested money, time, and love in a child of God - a smart, loving, and wonderful human being he helped to become and he should have embraced this challenge and enjoy the fruits of his labor with a healthy and stronger relationship, but now after all this time and pain, the daughter needs validation from all parties including new wife so she can gain the love and acceptance she has lost.

 
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December 25, 2007, 3:37 pm PST

Theft by Deception!

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I think men in these circumstances should be able to sue these women for fraud. It's no different than someone misrepresenting themselves as an investor and then bilking innocent people of hard earned money. That's a crime punishable by jail and fines, as it should be for these women. No one can put a price on the emotional and mental stress their dishonesty causes but they should still be held liable legally. Women who've done this to men AND their children...SHAME ON YOU! Men who've gone through this...I'm terribly sorry and hope you can some day find peace.

 

I can't believe that an educated attorney could sit up and justify what I saw on the show today. She looked like a fool! This has nothing to do with money, and everything to do with time.  If that man was not the father than HE has a choice to keep contact with the kid. Stop trying to dig in the mans pocket!  Women are not held responsible for what they do.

 

Once the seed is fertilized then the man has no say.  If it's a woman right to choose, then it's a womens responsibility!  The women have been getting it both ways. I paid child support for 14 years and my babies mother admited that she put me on because she could.  Not because I refused to be apart of her life, because she wanted to suffer.  I will tell you this, the child still suffers because of child support.  If the father can't live, and pay his bills?? Who do you think suffers? If he has to go and get another job, who has to suffer? The kids!!!!

 

Its easy to say "it aint about the money" when your getting it!  That lady should go to jail, and we need Child Support reform. The states are makin a ton of money off of fathers who owe back pay. None of that money is going to the child!        

 
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December 25, 2007, 3:38 pm PST

Child Support? A little off topic.....

My son with whom I share joint custody with is 17yrs.  Up until last year he has been living with his mother and I've always paid chsup for him.  Last year he came to live with me, the chsup was stopped and not once did the mother pay me any sort of support for him even after a support order was filed.  Due to some trouble with the law (in georgia) he returned to (mississippi) live with his mother.  The chsup laws are really not for the fathers.....at least not in GEORGIA!
 
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December 25, 2007, 3:47 pm PST

Men are called dogs, so are some women

We women always call men dogs when they cheat, what do you call this woman that cheated on her husband, got pregnant, had the baby and told her husband that it was his child. Come to find out after 10 years that it's not his child. What do you call this woman??? I would call her a no good dog. She brought this child into the world knowing it wasn't her husbands child. He finds out and now she laughs about it.  She should be ashamed of herself an is to blame for all the conflict that has become of her child and the x husband. She has not only hurt the child but also hurt this man for all these years by not telling him the truth. The x-husband has a right to tell the child the truth if the dishonest mother never told her. It's not his fault, he bonded with a child he thought was his, he took care of a child that was his and he loved this child as if she was his own. Now the child is mad with the non father because of the mother. It's your fault and if it should be fixed the mother should fix it . The mother should have to pay him back every penny back he gave. Go and find the dog you cheated with and get the money for her care from him. The x-father has a right to request a voluntary relationship with the child. Mother, think about what you do before you do it. Make sure you don't hurt another child or non father.

 
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December 25, 2007, 3:50 pm PST

Father's ,Dad's and Duties

Fist of all I would like to say that my heart goes out to Selina. These lies that Maria has let go for the 10 years of this childs life are devastating. Not only to Enrique but to Selina as well. Enrigue should have been the bigger person and told this child in a different way that he was not her father, and not close the door on the relationship. However  Maria should have been woman enough to take the responsibility and tell her husband when she was pregnant that she had cheated allowing him an opportunity to find out then if he was the father. I believe that all this woman wants is money.  Maria telling Enrique that he is not the father, should go to the man she broke her vows with and tell him to cough up the monies for support, and also pay back Enrique for the years he paid. Maria is a example of the type of women whom go to these shows looking for sympathy. Then these women wonder why everyone calls them bad names. You all bring it o yourselves. Keep going and airing your dirty laundry to the world and you will get a bad reputation NOT sympathy. LADY I hate you and don't even know you, because of the lies and deception you have lead others to believe. You should be in jail for fraud and be made to pay it all back. I hope the Laws do change where a father can have the right to be tested whenever he feels the need, no matter if it is 1 year, 5 years, 10 years, or even 20 years later. It is HIS right.

You know I have three daughters in which I love very dearly and my ex-husband was not their father but because their natural father did not want anything to do with them and would not financially support them, my ex took the responsibility and stepped in as their Dad. To this day the man they think of as their DAD is still there for them, still supports them in everything they do. And yes even though they have grown into head strong women they still know they can turn to him for help, ANYTIME.

Enrique I do hope that you and Selina can put the differences behind you and continue with relationship. My prayers go with you and Good Luck.

As for that Lawyer Gloria Allred, Lady Go back to defending the stars, because as far as you defending regular people you SUCK. I would NEVER in a hundred million years support you and let you get a commission off a book you wrote and you really have no clue as to what you are talking about.

 

 
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December 25, 2007, 3:51 pm PST

12/25 Parent Trap

     I feel for the child but the mother as far as I'm concern should be charged with perjury. She filed a false report seeking child support from a man that was not the real father and has been benefiting from this. If you perjure yourself in any other situation you pay big. Our laws are meant for the criminal and that proves it when this women can get away with this. The courts need to look at this very hard and any woman man or otherwise file a false case just to benefit from the child should be put away. And this guy that is married to her now trust her so much why doesn't he support the child. The impression I got out of him is that he is also trying to benefit. He accepted this cheat so support the child and let the other man alone. The system is a screwed up mess and this makes me mad. Put the woman in jail and set and example for the future if the law wants to do the right thing. CHARGE HER WITH PERJURY THAT' S WHAT SHE IS A PURGER. Hope all works our for the gentleman having to go through this.
 
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December 25, 2007, 3:53 pm PST

Shame on that mom

The mom should have told Enrique from the beginning that there is a chance he may not be the father. He deserved to know and so did Selena and the biological father. She should have told him right away also. I know it would have been hard, but is what's happening now any easier? For anyone in the same situation, I hope they learned something from this story. I think Enrique was wrong what he did to Selena and the mom was wrong also to still expect him to pay child support. She is not his child. The mom should go to the biological dad for child support because he IS the father and Enrique should have still kept the child/parent bond with her because it was already there. I don't see how he could just walk away after all those years. All he did was hurt her out of his anger for the mom. Women who do this should be sued for all the child support they collect from a man if he is not the father. If they are not sure, they should find out before they fo after child support.
 
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December 25, 2007, 3:56 pm PST

A childs worst nightmare

Todays show was absolutely devastating, that poor little girl going through a divorce is bad enough, but having to find out the way she did that her "father" was not her biologial dad after 10 years. We as a society seem to focus on the "money", the issue is the welfare of the child, and I mean the mental well being, why is it anytime a lawyer is involved its always about money? That because a lawyer like Gloria Allred is out for just that,money not the child's well being. just what is the max money can be made for herself, image and then the client. Gloria made it very apparent that she is not concerned about what is right or true, but how she can manipulate the law to her advantage, just look at the high profile cases she does, camera time and what the final $$$$ outcome.

  The truth is the father handled the situation with his DAUGHTER in the worst manner, he should never ve told her the way he did, but in the guidance of proffesional therapists and not have walked away over the mistake his ex-wife made. As a custodial father of my son's, I know what its like to handle the emotional pain of my son's over their mother's lack of emotional support. I have not receive financial support in almost 4 years, but going after her is not worth the pain my children would feel. As much as I want to, its nort worth it.

 The courts need to deal with the direct emotional affects a divorce will have on the children involved and not allow lawyers make it all about money. 

 
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December 25, 2007, 3:57 pm PST

child support for non biological fathers

Of course each situation needs to be treated depending on circumstances, but I felt that the message that "kids first, money second" was not embraced by the majority.  Although I do not respect the ex wife,  it is clear to me that the new wife and the husband are totally void of compassion for our youth and acted cruely  The husband is responsible for his actions, but I have no doubt that the new wife goaded him into the financial injustice of it all. Even though it was at the cost of a young girls emotionally well being. Shame on the husband, period. A man of intrigrity would have handled this legally and not started the process with the 13 year old, which has damaged her emotionally. I'm not buying that he understands the severity of his actions. He sure is hanging on to this bone still a little too tightly. He does not  deserve to be her father.  I wouldn't loose sleep on this one if he couldn't get out of paying the child support. Let him feel it where it obviously hurts him most; in his pocketbook.   Shame on the husband and new wife. I find it all disgusting and an injustice all it's own.
 
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