Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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December 25, 2007, 6:13 pm PST

Women should be held accountable

Women who wrongfully accuse a man of fathering a child should be held accountable.  I believe many men have been forced into parenting another man's child way too many times, and it creates resentment and denial in the male race.

 

"Dead Beat Dads" has become a common term.  What term is used for a woman who "can't be honest about who she slept with in the last 30 some days"...  The wife who has an affair doesn't give the husband a choice as many states consider the child conceived his...no matter who actually helped sow the seed...

 

DNA testing has helped...but as many talk shows broadcast...most of the people on these shows either believes the other has had an affair, or don't believe they are the father.  The children hurt because the women involved in these situations have not been honest, and cause the "nightmare" to come...whether it be before birth or years later.

 

Enrique, I believe, did not handle the situation with his "daughter" very well.  He should have had someone sit down with all parties involved, and find a solution to the problem, and handle the conversation with tact.  Selina will always hurt...but the fact is...Enrique IS NOT THE FATHER...he was duped into supporting Selina's mother's lies.  The past always finds a way of catching up with you.

 

I hope Selina receives counseling to help her with the eminent disappointment and upheval of life as she knew it.  But, unfortunately, life comes with lots of disappointments.  I hope Enrique finds a place inside of himself to see that he can still try to keep some type of relationship with Selina.

 
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December 25, 2007, 6:14 pm PST

Both Sides Of The Fence

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Fathers are more than a checkbook.  I don't think he should have to pay if he isn't the biological father - especially since he's been lied to this whole time.  HOWEVER, if he's raised this child and is the Dad that the child knows - I would assume there is love between the two of them.  That relationship should continue. 

 

Biology has less to do with parenthood than love, trust, teaching and caring that comes from that relationship.  "Anyone can be a father - but it takes someone special to be a Dad"

 

Just my 2 cents.

I am married to a man who was the bio dad of a married woman (she was separated and living in an apartment at the time) who later divorced him and asked him to step forward and take a dna test.  When all was said and done my now husband had to pay the former husband and her current child support.  The bottom line it's more importantly about the child'semotional health.  But secondly - if a bio mother has caused a man to pay child support (as though he had physically caused this child's birth) - in MY opinion SHE should pay the back child support to the non-responsible party.  And thebio dad should pay ongoing child support for his new found child.  I also think this problem is becoming more common and dna tests should be taken before fathers sign the birh certifiate or are listed on the birth cert as dad.

The man who thought he was the bio dad should have the heart to continue some kind of relationship with the daughter.  Added parents to the mixing pot (new wives or husbands) should encourage to the adults to do the right thing by the child - thechild has the right to know her bio family and the bio dad should finish out the financial responsibility to the child. 

 
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December 25, 2007, 6:15 pm PST

parent trap

I just wanna say that it was the woman fault for not telling the man about him not being the father. I am kinda in the same situation my daughter i have full custody of her and i dont thik im the real father, but I am takin resposibility for her. she is my life and if my ex would take her from me i woud be very upset. She thinks im her dad and i dont think at age 8 i should tell her that. I am like u dr phil in saying that the man is a victum but he should have done it a different way. I love my daughter alot and if fight till i was dead for her to. 

 

 
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December 25, 2007, 6:19 pm PST

Dr Phil

I am  a dad whom has shed many tears , i have three daughters , and lost them to there mom 14yrs ago , my oldest was 16 when i said my last good bye now shes 30 ,, and never has spoken to me ,

i feel for the dad on the show , and wish he and the daughter dont lose each other ,

i have much to say  but its an entire show.

 
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December 25, 2007, 6:20 pm PST

Money is not everything!!

 I fully understand the feelings of the stepmother.  Where is the accountability of the mother?  There is no reason why that father can not remain an active part of the child's life, but he should  not be forced to pay child support.  The mother needs to go after the true birth father if she is looking for money.  The issue of money should be taken totally out of the equation.  The natural father should be made to take care of his responsibility.  She made her bed, now let her lay in the mess she caused.  The father should be totally released of all financial responsibility to the the child.  Now morally, I believe the father has an emotional responsibility to the child, it was not her fault her mother lied and deceived everyone involved.  And as a good, responsible man, I am sure if the child really was in need the father would voluntarily do his best for her.  He seems genuine and sincere, I do not believe he would let someone he loved suffer or go without, if he had the power to help out.  The mother needs to be held accountably for her actions.  She should be made to pay any and all child support back to the father.
 
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December 25, 2007, 6:24 pm PST

I agree

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I could totally identify with the African American who appeared on your show this evening.  Too often, a male partner is labelled as guilty of parenting a child without any conclusive evidence.  And far too often, the courts lean in favour of the female, calling her "the victim".  As the gentleman on your show pointed out, too often it's the male that is victimized.  The female lawyer from California was way out in left field, in my opinion.  She clearly portrayed herself as a hostile "male basher", totally unrecognizant of any positive points that her "opponents" demonstrated.  As you pointed out, Dr. Phil, every case has two sides; but the female lawyer could only see "one side".  She came across as weak and ineffectual, with an axe to grind against men in general.

I feel that too often the wrong guy is held accountable for another's responsibilities.  Too often guys who are just trying to be decent individuals, who are trying to help a female friend through a difficult situation are trapped into legal and financial obligations that are none of their responsisblity.  This was the situation I myself was in several years back.  I met a lady whom I found attractive.  After dating for a couple of months, and sharing some intimate moments, she advised me that she may be pregnant by a former "encounter".  As a caring individual (thinking  back, I was probably more of a fool), I told her that I would sign papers to say that I was the father to keep her from getting in trouble.  (The fellow she had had the "one night" encounter with was a drug addict.)  It turned out that she wasn't pregnant.  But only now do I see the precarious situation this could have potentially put me in, all in the name of "being a nice guy".

I think it should be the obligation of the mother and the court AT THE TIME OF BIRTH to either;

a) determine who the legal father is and hold that individual accountable.

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b) leave the legal and financial responsibility up to the mother.

DNA testing is the norm in our society now.  Shouldn't we be using it to protect all parties involved?

There are far too many incidents of woman having out-of-wedlock births just because they feel it's "what they want to do".  Often the male isn't even made aware of the pregnancy.  It's time that women took the responsibility for their biological functions; THEY are the ones who can and do get pregnant.  They should at least be responsible enough to be able to identify the one partner that impregnated them, and not the scenario often presented (ie. "The child may belong to one of three or four different guys.")  Frankly, not to sound any better than anyone else, but I DO NOT GO AROUND HAVING SEX WITH DIFFERENT PARTNERS ON ANY KIND OF REGULAR BASIS.  If a woman told me that I got her pregnant, I would be able to tell in a heartbeat if that child MIGHT be mine.  I feel that women should be held to at least that level of accountability.
 
We have all these legalities, dna tests should be mandatory before a birth cert is signed, it's  legal document that can be easily manipulated or fraudently siged.  My husband has been in this exact scenario except he was the bio dad.  The child lived with the non-bio dad after they divorced until she was 9, then mom wantd bio dad to step forward, bio dad had to pay non-bio dad and mom.  In my opinion, bio mom should have paid non-bio dad and the bio dad pay current support and both should have a relationship with the child.
 
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December 25, 2007, 6:25 pm PST

Is he a parent?

I have a couple of questions for Enrique.  The first is the young lady I saw on the show your daughter?  I do not refer in the biological sense.  Do you love this young lady as a daughter you have raised for ten years?  If so what in God's name where you thinking to say the things you said and then follow through with the actions you took.  I mean this is your child, she loves(d) and respected you, as well as looked to you for safety and stability.  I do not understand your actions.  Second, how can you be called a parent and not be finicially responsible for your child?

 

I am a father as well.  I have a daughter who is not mine.  I am currently fighting her mother and grandparents just for the right to be called her father.  I have raised and been in this little girls life for more than 8 years.  There are many issues involved in this action I am invovled in.  I have a well established relationship(father/ daugter) yet I can not get the recognition of the court to have standing to called her father.  Enrique you have it and you threw it away, My question stands are you her father or not?  Yes you were deceived, lied to and hurt, but to hurt the child you knew as daughter makes you more childish than any child could ever be. I will never understand why adults who get hurt and hurt other in response, never get what is coming to them.  The child is the most important person here, not your money, not your wifes wrong or wrongs. Stop being selfish and think of the tue hurt person here your daughter.

 

A question posed to Ms. Allred

 

 My daughter (soon to be 12) has even gone as far as to call Gloria Allred's office and spoke to her assistant.  My Daughter's and I, are frustrated beyond belief.  I am reduced to a visitor and the people ,who be all reports submitted to the court , should be in my status have custody. I go to trial in four weeks and by all accounts I should be the one with custody.  We (she) has  court appointed attorney yet she has only met with a spoke to that attorney three times in two years.  Where is the voice for the Best interest of this child and her sister.  I care not for my status, I just want my daughters in a safe enviroment, and where they are now is not that enviroment.

 
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December 25, 2007, 6:25 pm PST

Really???

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Are you saying it is more the woman's responsibility to provide and take care of the child?
...men don't have a uterus...nor do they give birth...and parenting a child is no longer based on the "word of honor"...
 
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December 25, 2007, 6:34 pm PST

Parent Trap

My husband was also named father of a child from his previous marriage because he was still legally married at the time of the birth.  We have paid child support for 9 years for a child that is not his.  This financial obligation has forced him to work a part time job to meet his obligations which only takes him away from me and our children.  Unfortunately we both have a modest income and this obligaition prevents us from providing more for our children.  His ex is unable to identify who the biological father is yet she collects the checks each week without any remorse. 
 
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December 25, 2007, 6:34 pm PST

My Solution

I almost never watch your show but my wife urged me to watch this episode.

The problem that this FRAUD has caused is monetary and emotional damage that has

spread to everyone involved in this. I feel anyone who was knowingly involved is an accomplis

to a very serious deceit.. Too many women use their chldren as pawns in the game of life

not looking at the damage they are causing. And also opens the door to what amounts to kidnapping

and extortion. As Women hold the children ransom from visitation for monetary gain. Its a pregnancy loophole hat needs to be attended too. And their is no doubt in my mind that theese women exist to expoit this.

My solution is to do a DNA test at birth.

Blood is already drawn from the baby and the father can then have a decision if he wants to accept

a negative result.

This would stop any deceitful intentions, Save a child from getting in this situation 10 years down the road

Unclog some paternity suits in the court system

A benefit wold also be removing suspicion from normal healty relations

The more i think about this the more benefits there is...forceing women to be open and honest about their pregnancy

 
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