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Have you read "Self Matters" or become familiar with the process of uncovering your authentic self from watching the show? Share your story here.

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April 7, 2007, 2:05 am PDT

So many choices....

Hello. New to the site .. so i apologize if this is in the wrong area. Everyone has their own advice on what people need to do to fix themselves. I have neglected my mental health for years .. trying desperately to get my life to a point where I could just stop .. and start again. Not only have I lost myself. I did it so long ago .. I dont remmeber who I am. Over the years of this struggle I compounded the problem with self medicating and other things. I have bottled up anger at myself for many years. All these things I blame on myself, and noone else. My life is nowhere even close to where my inner self strives for. I look for advice, books, links, and other things to help guide me. I am overwhelmed. I have been repeatedly discharged from employment with good references, and with the employer admitting I do a good, if not great job. I start a new job Monday, have finally managed to get mostly debt free. I also own nothing. I want to escape this vicious circle. Self Matters seems a good place to start. Can anyone else confirm this, or maybe guide me toward a link or reading that I may start down this path. This is not a pity post, nor am I her to whine. I have a hard journey ahead and no idea where to start. I also know that starting in the wrong direction hasnt helped.

 

Thanks in advance.

 
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April 7, 2007, 9:57 am PDT

Coincidence?

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Or at least thats been my experience!

Hi, Guys! Been doing that work thang!

 

One of the things that Ive noticed about myself and negative thinking is: I can be just ranting away in my head about MY OWN choice to build a home right next door to my mother and her constant, ceaseless, unwelcome and exhausting drama or just really be bummed-out (this is what Marcia could genuinely call a pity party. Because most of the time I dont really have a VALID reason to be discouraged!) However, when I get to work it only takes me a couple of minutes to find someone who REALLY has a genuine reason to be distressed! Then, I feel foolish! Generally, that one experience keeps me focused on what real distress looks like. I usually spend the rest of that self time in my head- what little I have at work- working on gratitude!

I do believe that escaping what Marcia calls the old is more difficult because its what we have lived for so long. I believe that when the old gets re-enforced later in life, it becomes a MONSTER! For example: I spent most of my life around my mother waiting for the next shoe to fall, waiting for the next catastrophe- the next disaster- always sure that it was just a matter of time before something dreadful happened and that would be my fault, also. I wasnt smart enough. I just didnt measure-up. I was inherently flawed. Doing well, consistently getting Exceeds Expectations on my evaluations, even getting commendations, didnt change my thinking.

 

Im writing, now. My organizational skills are extremely poor. (Learning organizational skills from a Schizophrenic is definitely a mistake!) I muddle through.

 

Marcia, you just keeps on finding whatever it is that is impeding you and find a solution!

 

Sorry, to hear that you were sick, Linda. Hope that youre all better. Among the patients Ive seen several are REALLY struggling with allergies. Allergies that keep the sinuses and other parts of the upper respiratory system so inflamed that they wind up with bronchitis or sinusitis or both.

 

Ive really missed you guys,

 

Brenda

 Hi Brenda, and thanx, I'm better now.

I was hit by cold chills when I read your post. I've had "coincidences" happen to me all of my life, and some are downright eerie.
I'm currently reading a book called MONSTER LIES by Sally Franz and Jennifer Webb.
In my opinion it is a great companion piece to SELF MATTERS, in that in expounds on the chapter where Dr Phil has you slow down your thinking and pinpoint the tapes you play in your head that undermine you.

And here you were, examining your own negative thinking, and labeling old thinking as MONSTER.  Wavelengths or what?

 In the book, our patterns of thought are catagorized and given a name, description, and even a distinctive sounding voice.  They are all monsters.  Although the authors have identified over 75 monsters  that we fall prey to, they deal with the 12 most common patterns that our thoughts fall into.  I think you would benefit from this, Brenda.

For those that get stuck in the chapter dealing with our tapes, this is an excellent resource. I urge you to look for this book. I found it at the library, but I'm going to buy it as I can see that I will refer to it often.
 
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April 7, 2007, 10:13 am PDT

Don't sleep your life away!

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Venting,

 

I've been working on the Self Matters exercises. Sometimes I make head way. Sometimes I just don't see the point. So many things in my past. So much noise in my head. All I look forward  to is the med's my doctor gives me everynight to sleep.  I'm sure tonight I'll open up the book and keep working at it. I'm just frustrated and venting. Sorry

 I can relate to your feelings, but don't let your thought processes cause you to become Rip Van Winkle. You don't have a hundred years!  You may be thinking "if you wait long enough the problem will go away", or "things are too overwhelming to do anything, so don't try," or "you're too weak to deal with the pressure," or even "don't ask for what you need, it will probably hurt someone's feelings."
The desire to go to sleep on your life can be very powerful, so powerful that some of us medicate ourselves with substance abuse. Substances both soothe and control you. Only you can know when it has changed from an immediate help to a surrender of the voice in your head that urges you to sleep it all away.
Yes, you may have a terrible past, but shrouding it in avoidance won't help you to accept it and get past it.
Come back and vent when you need to, and remember, you won't feel like forever. Unless you choose to check out and go back to sleep.

Quotes curtesy of MONSTER LIES by S. Franz and J Webb.
 
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April 7, 2007, 10:25 am PDT

A matter of perspective

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It's like I go into another world, writing on-line. 

 

I start to see my foiables but not have to do anything in particular.  I panic that things don't get said and then I realise that I'm not always understood, any way.

 

I would say that writing about what others also find important has been theraputic.  That ideas and emotions are put forward for discussion.  And the discussion flows and ebbs depending on connection. 

 

But one problem I've found in writing is in interpretation and I just keep doggardly to do this, I suppose, hoping, that in the right situation, I'll just know and don't have to keep working at it.

 

To change my approach, my spots, I suppose is how I personally feel about this imagery, I know you've taken on much in life and that every one can live fully.

 

I wonder as many religious groups for example from my perspective don't live fully and cut themselves off from the world.  Yet those with troubles turn to them first and last.  I think that the deprived have much in common with those that choose deprivation. ie. religious groups because going without has become essential and I wonder if fear does result in deprevation. 

That without fear, would we give to others or would we only take? 

 

That's what I'm feeling at the moment with so many things starting to become a little bit clearer.  ie. I was thinking about achievement.  That one can also achieve in relationships, like to fail to relate when everything is just right and no competition or age gaps or controlling etc. and still fail.  That one would be encouraged by a sibling to go for those that are unavailable etc., as example of expectations makes me realise why one can't let go.  Know when things are at the level they are supposed to be and still not succeed, is very humiliating.  I really have a dislike for tests and learning, I think, rather than a low IQ, even though I quite willingly go to the bait, so to speak.

 

I guess my world is a bit tipsy turvey,  but whose isn't?

Good luck in your reading, Marcia.  You sound like these books have highlighted changes and possibilities but avoided stereotyping and the hee ha of shows like weight-loss etc. 

 

Belinda

 

 

 

 

I like your thoughts on how some seem to us, from our perspective, not to live fully and cut themselves off from the world. (As in some religious groups)

I think that without fear, we would give to others. At least, that has been my own personal experience.  When I live with fears I tend to fall into thought patterns of scarcity, hoarding, and "not enough."  The real keys to prosperity are generosity and giving. Not being giving out of a sanctimonious attitude of self-righteousness either, looking for kudos from others because you are so upstanding.  It has to be a pure willingness to give with no strings attached and no investment in the outcome.

A word about tests- they only show an aptitude at memorizing. The real test is how a person applies the knowledge that they have.
 
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April 7, 2007, 10:33 am PDT

Yes!

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Hello. New to the site .. so i apologize if this is in the wrong area. Everyone has their own advice on what people need to do to fix themselves. I have neglected my mental health for years .. trying desperately to get my life to a point where I could just stop .. and start again. Not only have I lost myself. I did it so long ago .. I dont remmeber who I am. Over the years of this struggle I compounded the problem with self medicating and other things. I have bottled up anger at myself for many years. All these things I blame on myself, and noone else. My life is nowhere even close to where my inner self strives for. I look for advice, books, links, and other things to help guide me. I am overwhelmed. I have been repeatedly discharged from employment with good references, and with the employer admitting I do a good, if not great job. I start a new job Monday, have finally managed to get mostly debt free. I also own nothing. I want to escape this vicious circle. Self Matters seems a good place to start. Can anyone else confirm this, or maybe guide me toward a link or reading that I may start down this path. This is not a pity post, nor am I her to whine. I have a hard journey ahead and no idea where to start. I also know that starting in the wrong direction hasnt helped.

 

Thanks in advance.

SELF MATTERS can be an excellent book.  It is very comprehensive and will take you from A to Z.  However, if you get stuck, don't hesitate to find alternative definitions and descriptions. Like I related earlier, I'm reading a book that is a wonderful sidekick to one of the chapters in SELF MATTERS. Marcia also knows some very good books.
One thing you might try is this:  go to the library and look over the self help books. You might find that you are drawn to some, and not others.  I've found that in every case where I was compelled to read a book, there was something in it that I needed to hear, even if most of it were things I already knew.  We are all at different levels in our learning, and there is a wealth of information out there to help if we are willing to look for it.

Good luck, and come back to let us know how it's going.
 
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April 7, 2007, 10:37 am PDT

How did it go?

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I really truly felt I was super positive in my thoughts and energy ... then I watched THE SECRET dvd a couple of times and realized that my positiveness doesn't stay with me for very long ... however, I'm starting to win!

 

I'm actually thinking of making a cassette of me telling myself how good it feels to do stuff ... like clean my home or go shopping.  That way I can carry the cassette player with me and let it help me remain positive.

 

No, it's not like I'm down and blue and all that. It's just that I've come to see how I can feel the accomplishments and then they just fade away until I can remember them again!

 

I know that I'm going to be able to step up and out of this craziness real soon ... I know in my heart of hearts that the only reason I keep returning to the "old" is because it's a belief I was taught as a child.  That  kinda amazed me the other day when I realized that my conditioning from my childhood has me believing that it's painful to change or that it's hard.  Both are so wrong. It just takes patience ... new habits and behaviors require me to practice so that I build up the new pathways.

 

And because I read THIS YEAR I WILL before receiving the SECRET ... I was given the scienitific reality of how it all works.  Like when the SECRET tells you to feel good .. to keep myself feeling good about whatever it is I want ... that's the way to get the emotional part of my brain to accept what's going on.  That emotional part of my brain is where FIGHT or FLIGHT lives. It's where if I feel distressed, pain, unhappiness .... it will take flight and run the other way .. no matter how good the new change is for me.  However, whenever I feel positive, upbeat and can feel it within ... my emotional brain wants more of the same so it will go along with whatever I'm doing.

 

It's keeping me in the upbeat right now that takes a lot of time and energy.  It's not what I'm used to.  Good thing that I bought the book because it gives me more helpful tools for me to use for practicing ... like the one where I plan the next day events ...  in a positive frame of mind.  It has worked so far.  Now, I'm going to be challenged because I'm taking my mom shopping with me and she's been really pulling my chain lately.  It's because she's my reflection of all the changes I'm experiencing ...  whenever, I'm changed a part of my thinking or behaviors or feelings ... she lets me know by trying my patience.  Today, my plan is to acknowledge what is going on and do different.  And I know it's going to work because it's been in my thoughts for a while now.

 

Well, today is aquacize class, shopping with my mom, and then later the dance studio to play.  and it's cold!  forcast:  SNOW!   yesterday I was wearing shorts!  today, I'm wearing sweats .. isn't that something!!!

 How did shopping go with your Mother?  Did your assumption that it would be a trial come to pass, or did you focus on the positives and turn that assumption into a lie?

The weather has turned cold again here too, from the 70's to the 30's. BBRRRR!
 
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April 7, 2007, 11:54 am PDT

Wow Brenda, you got a lot of AHAs happening!!

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Or at least thats been my experience!

Hi, Guys! Been doing that work thang!

 

One of the things that Ive noticed about myself and negative thinking is: I can be just ranting away in my head about MY OWN choice to build a home right next door to my mother and her constant, ceaseless, unwelcome and exhausting drama or just really be bummed-out (this is what Marcia could genuinely call a pity party. Because most of the time I dont really have a VALID reason to be discouraged!) However, when I get to work it only takes me a couple of minutes to find someone who REALLY has a genuine reason to be distressed! Then, I feel foolish! Generally, that one experience keeps me focused on what real distress looks like. I usually spend the rest of that self time in my head- what little I have at work- working on gratitude!

I do believe that escaping what Marcia calls the old is more difficult because its what we have lived for so long. I believe that when the old gets re-enforced later in life, it becomes a MONSTER! For example: I spent most of my life around my mother waiting for the next shoe to fall, waiting for the next catastrophe- the next disaster- always sure that it was just a matter of time before something dreadful happened and that would be my fault, also. I wasnt smart enough. I just didnt measure-up. I was inherently flawed. Doing well, consistently getting Exceeds Expectations on my evaluations, even getting commendations, didnt change my thinking.

 

Im writing, now. My organizational skills are extremely poor. (Learning organizational skills from a Schizophrenic is definitely a mistake!) I muddle through.

 

Marcia, you just keeps on finding whatever it is that is impeding you and find a solution!

 

Sorry, to hear that you were sick, Linda. Hope that youre all better. Among the patients Ive seen several are REALLY struggling with allergies. Allergies that keep the sinuses and other parts of the upper respiratory system so inflamed that they wind up with bronchitis or sinusitis or both.

 

Ive really missed you guys,

 

Brenda

I'm so happy that you are seeing outside the frames we grew up with .. it's really amazing it how much we just live to old habits .. I really found myself waking up to the idea of everything just being a habit ... and I can change habits. It just takes (1) acknowledgeing what's going on and then (2) making plans to do something different.

 

Your old habits are slowly moving away .. doing the gratitude is a major tool in acknowledging that you do have it so good.  Very powerful tool you are using for yourself. 

 

And I know what you mean about waiting for the shoe to drop ... I never knew when my mom would go off the deep end ... I was raised with her words ringing in my head that she hated me .. that I was stupid .. that I would never amount to anything. I lived to those words ...  I believed her.  Now, I know that she suffered from PMS and that when her monthly came so did the nastiness.  And she'll tell you she never ever experienced PMS in her whole life.  And I couldn't connect it to it cause I just believed what she always said.  Duh .. sure do feel stupid ... however, we were raised never to question our parents or adults for that matter.

 

You do have extremely good organziational skills .. you are just letting your old habits get in your way. I mean, if you consistently received EXCEEDS EXPECTATIONS then you had to do it back then.  Right now your job has you jumping thru loops. First you have to figure out a way to disconnect from their negative self-abusive behaviors there and learn a whole new way of doing business.  What I always told the ladies and men I mentored was .. make a list of all the qualifies and experiences you have NOW and that you will be using in your new job.  That is your foundation .. that is who you are.  Make yourself a little post-it note and put it up on your PC to remind yourself that you can do some things without the need for training.  Now, whenever you feel overwhelmed by the newness .. just read the post-it note or do one of those tasks to help you remember that you have some major foundations skills. 

 

Take care,  Marcia

 

 

 
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April 7, 2007, 12:07 pm PDT

Coincidences are reflections .....

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 Hi Brenda, and thanx, I'm better now.

I was hit by cold chills when I read your post. I've had "coincidences" happen to me all of my life, and some are downright eerie.
I'm currently reading a book called MONSTER LIES by Sally Franz and Jennifer Webb.
In my opinion it is a great companion piece to SELF MATTERS, in that in expounds on the chapter where Dr Phil has you slow down your thinking and pinpoint the tapes you play in your head that undermine you.

And here you were, examining your own negative thinking, and labeling old thinking as MONSTER.  Wavelengths or what?

 In the book, our patterns of thought are catagorized and given a name, description, and even a distinctive sounding voice.  They are all monsters.  Although the authors have identified over 75 monsters  that we fall prey to, they deal with the 12 most common patterns that our thoughts fall into.  I think you would benefit from this, Brenda.

For those that get stuck in the chapter dealing with our tapes, this is an excellent resource. I urge you to look for this book. I found it at the library, but I'm going to buy it as I can see that I will refer to it often.

One of the things I've found posting to this site is that no matter where someone else is on their journey, they bring me moments of AHA .. especially if I find myself responding to their written words. Sometimes, I'm just flowing and simply let many posts go.  THen there are times, I'm very reflective and allow myself to see what I write and what I recall as I write.

 

I learned to slow down my thoughts when I read and re-read Key 2.  I was doing both Self Matters and Weight Loss Solutions at the same time so they came together quite well there. 

 

Your words about "our patterns of thoughts" sounds like what I do .. I name my thought patterns ... like CATCH UP or CONFLICT.  My namings allowed me to group together behaviors, feelings, & thoughts under 1 word so that as I continued to experience them, I was able to simply say ... CONFLICT ... and know what I had to do to stop it from happening.

 

I'll see if my library has the book ... Thanks Linda

 
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April 7, 2007, 12:17 pm PDT

It was much better ...

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 How did shopping go with your Mother?  Did your assumption that it would be a trial come to pass, or did you focus on the positives and turn that assumption into a lie?

The weather has turned cold again here too, from the 70's to the 30's. BBRRRR!

I know that I'm living to a pattern and as I read the SECRET ... I'm getting a good handle on how my own personal thoughts are creating the world I live in.  My mom did start on her negative train about someone .. and I told her 3x I didn't care to go that deep into it.  People will make their own mistakes and you know that you can say something and it will be ignored ... and then there are times when you just know that it's not worth opening your mouth.  She got really pissed off and said STOP TALKING TO ME ... and I said okay.  We were fine after that ...

 

I know that she's my mirror of healing ... and she knows that I'm just going off and doing my own thing now.  I'm not owned by her anymore.  It took me years to finally realized that the only reason I'm just following the patterns of behavior I was raised to live.  As I break thru those patterns, new ones are forming and I'm making the decision whether or not to stick it out or not.  I'm finding that I'm making peace with all sorts of behaviors .. and that my NOT ENOUGH TIME is slowly going away.

 

Now I'm telling myself all the time I HAVE ENOUGH TIME ... and me bringing snacks with me so that I eat ... helps me to keep my blood sugar levels even and my moods better.

 

And I had to clean off 6" or more of snow off my car this morning!  And Easter is going to happen on Tuesday!!!  My brother won't be able to make it over here tomorrow .. the roads will be a mess for a couple of days.  We went from 80 degrees on tuesday to 30's and below!

 
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April 7, 2007, 12:18 pm PDT

Losing your Path

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I believe all of us are on a journey throughout life. It takes many paths and many trials before we become who we are intended to be. Thearpists, friends, problems, failures, successes all help us learn (if we choose to do so) who we are and how we want to live. As we breathe we continue to be in the process of being. ld
I read this posting and have had a long hard look at what my path is....and I feel that I have lost sight of my path. I can see where I've come 'from' but I'm at a loss as to where I am going. Can anyone advise?
 

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