Topic : Defining Your Authentic Self

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Have you read "Self Matters" or become familiar with the process of uncovering your authentic self from watching the show? Share your story here.

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August 26, 2007, 8:46 am PDT

Michele

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The one thing I've learned from doing SELF MATTERS is that my parents are human and aren't living to their adult selves but their child selves.   That for me to expect them to be adults is just not in the cards. It's nothing bad or good about it. It's just is.  

 

Linda and I have both faced the truth of our childhoods and have been working on living our truths.  It's about knowing that we limit ourselves to our own life style by the very thoughts we have.  It's taken me 4 years to get myself to this place and I'm still not completely finished yet. 

 

I learned from Dr. Phil's 2 books:  LIFE STRATEGY and SELF MATTERS is that I live my life to my beliefs and thoughts.  THat when I challenge them with truth and connect-the-dots, I can change my life. 

 

You believe you can't find transportation ... you believe you can't change because you live with your parents .... you believe .....

 

What happens if you began to believe that transportation will appear. What if you begin to say ... HOW CAN I GET THERE?  can I call my church and see if someone will take me?  How can I get to college?  could I post a note on the board looking for someone to take me there?  Can I get bus passes for free? 

 

Start asking yourselve HOW & WHAT questions .. it can be scary ... it was for me; however, I know that I was not in a place I wanted to be. That it was painful and that I was not happy.  Now, I'm more at peace and calmer. 

Marica is right and the info. she gives is great and priceless.

Okay; You know that you cant change your past. Like Marcia says you can heal it.

So if you can use a computer can you find ways to say how can I use the computer to make money? There might be jobs that you could do from home to make money on the computer or in other ways from home.

What about finding some mentors in your situation that have made it so to speak even with their

disability (sorry if that is politically incorrect). I dont know what word to use.

I know many blind people that contribute to society in so many ways.

You say you were a public speaker in high School. Well there is a great thing for you to return to.

You never know for you could become a famous public speaker along with monetary rewards that would give you the security of hiring your own driver who would take you to personal engagements.

I am not making light of your situation but there are countless examples of people who have made it despite all odds. Look to those people for comfort and ideas and not to the negative

sources of the universe.

 

 
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August 26, 2007, 7:12 pm PDT

Speaking from a 'feeling' level......

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 OK, I think we're headed in different directions here.

Brenda, do you remember how you used to regale us with your wicked humor? You quickly moved past that though, after you realized that it was a defense mechanism.

I'm not a doctor, but you may be using the POSSIBLE dynamics that you perceived in the group as another defense now.

When I said use your emotions as your clue, I did not mean to focus on your outrage at the conclusion you came to as to the leader's agenda. You may be correct, but it can't be proved one way or another now, so you are right, a counselor is not going to discuss it in a legal sense.

 I'm referring to the very real reaction you had- the shock and paralysis.  This is what I wanted you to speak to someone about. 

Think of it this way, if it had been some other man that you looked up to, that you had no romantic notions about, that you felt safe with, would you have had the same reaction?

Or put someone else in the situation, like your sister. Would SHE have reacted the same way that you did?

If your mind fixates on finding ways to avoid this issue, this is a clue. The fact that you were agitated and hands were shaking after "listening" to the episode is not based on whether your group leader was really a lech or not. It is based on something that happened to you, which may or may not be inappropriate behavior by someone else in your childhood. It may be an attitude YOU had which YOU perceive as inappropriate or unforgivable. Or it may be something else, I don't know.

I'm your friend Brenda, and I, too, have had this same reaction- shock to the point of speechless paralysis when a man gets near me and whispers something I find despicable. You must follow this clue, NOT fixate on what might have been in the group leader's mind when he did it.

Thank you for your questions. Even though they are now moot, I had to answer them for myself. I also had to go back and think about WHY I would have displaced responsibility for that heath care professional’s profoundly inappropriate conduct onto myself. There are some boundaries you just don’t cross, professionally! For example: As an RN making a choice to make care that I offer to a surgical patient ‘sexual’ constitutes patient abuse. It’s just like, if you go to your GYN for an annual check-up and he makes a comment like that while you’re in the stirrups. It’s always unethical, always unprofessional and just plain wrong! Sure you may discuss sexual issues with your GYN- and you should when you have a problem-but that never gives him permission to personalize your questions or sexual concerns.

When I thought about the situation, I remembered the hundreds of times this guy just announced to the group that I had serious problems of jealousy with the narcissist. Well, I did have problems with the narcissist. My problems with her did not involve jealousy. Her motives were made clear to me, by her. She ongoingly demonstrated those motives for me in that group. She told me and then she showed me. Her intent was to corrupt specific peoples- typically other women’s- work in that group. She felt they were unworthy of time in her group. She felt that these specific individuals deserved “their, dull, meaningless, dreary, humdrum, uninteresting little terrors.” and, she resented the fact that they were using her group and time in her group with what she termed “such monotonous nonsense!” and dismissed them as, “A mind-numbing waste of my time. I won’t just sit and listen to that…”

I was becoming miserable and crestfallen because not only was the group leader not addressing, her intrusive dominance of the group, when I did confront her he angrily called me jealous, stupid, implying that I was crazy and the others in the group followed his example and he re-doubled his efforts to make his labels stick. To be honest I was really beginning to feel crazy in that group. Outside that group the rest of world just didn’t work that way!

Being a whistle-blower was costly. Remember the clock waver who when I walked in on a very loud, raging argument between herself and the narcissist, that could easily be heard throughout the downstairs of the old mansion that had been refurbished for office space? At a time when ALL of the members of the group were saying, “Problem? I don’t see a problem. Do you see a problem?” Well, I again asked if there was a problem as I was taking my seat. In that moment, she came over to me, furious, only inches from my face screeching, “You are the ONLY problem that this group has! Do you understand or are you just too dense to get that?!?” The group leader nodded and supported that with his silence as did the other women. The men seemed uncomfortable. I believe that was when I re-assigned blame for their corrupted process onto myself.

I now recognize that my twin sister and I BOTH have historically been whistles-blowers. There are serious consequences for making the choice to become a whistle-blower. I was deeply hurt to learn that a therapist that I had known and trusted for three years, had shared all of my most sensitive, most vulnerable, most horrible history with, would use my trust and faith in him in that way. But, that's what he did.

Getting to a feeling level with anyone carries enormous risks.There are serious consequences that come with getting to a 'feeling' level.  

So, when I walked out of that group every Tuesday, I was literally walking back into sanity! Thank God, the rest of my world was filled with people who saw me as a person of worth and value. Whether we agreed or disagreed I had some dear and loyal friends.

 

Brenda

 

 
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August 26, 2007, 8:39 pm PDT

I'm starting to get it...

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The one thing I've learned from doing SELF MATTERS is that my parents are human and aren't living to their adult selves but their child selves.   That for me to expect them to be adults is just not in the cards. It's nothing bad or good about it. It's just is.  

 

Linda and I have both faced the truth of our childhoods and have been working on living our truths.  It's about knowing that we limit ourselves to our own life style by the very thoughts we have.  It's taken me 4 years to get myself to this place and I'm still not completely finished yet. 

 

I learned from Dr. Phil's 2 books:  LIFE STRATEGY and SELF MATTERS is that I live my life to my beliefs and thoughts.  THat when I challenge them with truth and connect-the-dots, I can change my life. 

 

You believe you can't find transportation ... you believe you can't change because you live with your parents .... you believe .....

 

What happens if you began to believe that transportation will appear. What if you begin to say ... HOW CAN I GET THERE?  can I call my church and see if someone will take me?  How can I get to college?  could I post a note on the board looking for someone to take me there?  Can I get bus passes for free? 

 

Start asking yourselve HOW & WHAT questions .. it can be scary ... it was for me; however, I know that I was not in a place I wanted to be. That it was painful and that I was not happy.  Now, I'm more at peace and calmer. 

I see what your saying. I don't go to church, but I was talking to my friend about seeing if I could get help from them anyway.

As far as bus passes, I know I can't get those because I live to far out. I'm on the border between two counties, & neither of them will come out of their jurisdiction or cross the border if you will, to come & get me. I've been denied by both of them already.

As I say though, I see what your saying, & after I vented yesterday I went to some other message boards asking around about volunteers, & how I could find them. I've already been in contact with community places, but they weren't of any assistance. Since we live right on the border, everyone tries to pawn you off on everyone else. Lol. Flint sends me to Saginaw, Saginaw tries to send me back to Flint. It's just a big mess. (smile)

But I've ordered those books, & I am looking at the church. Thank you for reading! (smile)

Michelle

 
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August 27, 2007, 7:44 am PDT

Michelle .. you need to stop blocking your wants ...

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I see what your saying. I don't go to church, but I was talking to my friend about seeing if I could get help from them anyway.

As far as bus passes, I know I can't get those because I live to far out. I'm on the border between two counties, & neither of them will come out of their jurisdiction or cross the border if you will, to come & get me. I've been denied by both of them already.

As I say though, I see what your saying, & after I vented yesterday I went to some other message boards asking around about volunteers, & how I could find them. I've already been in contact with community places, but they weren't of any assistance. Since we live right on the border, everyone tries to pawn you off on everyone else. Lol. Flint sends me to Saginaw, Saginaw tries to send me back to Flint. It's just a big mess. (smile)

But I've ordered those books, & I am looking at the church. Thank you for reading! (smile)

Michelle

everyone tries to pawn you off on everyone else. 

 

As long as you keep saying this and believing it, you'll continue to receive what you put out there .. that's what SELF MATTERS teaches us .. that we are our own prisoners and until we change our thoughts, we don't change our lives.

 

How about saying:  EVERYONE IS DOING THEIR BEST TO HELP ME.  it will be and difficult yet it is the truth.  I mean, aren't we trying to help you?  And we are so far from where you live that it is impossible for us to pick you up and take you places.  So this is a truth.

 

And pay attention to the backlash you're going to get from these words .. cause it's challenging your faulty thinking with truth and it always causes backlashing at first!  But stick with it for 30 days and see where it takes you.

 

And couldn't you walk to the other side of the border?  Is it that great a distance? 

 
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August 27, 2007, 8:11 am PDT

Marcia; Anyone?

I was doing really well in my life's journey but have now hit some snags and some personal issues and set me back some. I need to make some major decisions in a few weeks.

I think because of these major decisions I feel like I have taken many steps backward. Its like

I feel frozen and blocked or something.

Anyone have any ideas on how to get myself out in the land of the living again?

Thanks

 
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August 27, 2007, 2:51 pm PDT

It's okay .. you are just experiencing what I call " ANOTHER LAYER" ...

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I was doing really well in my life's journey but have now hit some snags and some personal issues and set me back some. I need to make some major decisions in a few weeks.

I think because of these major decisions I feel like I have taken many steps backward. Its like

I feel frozen and blocked or something.

Anyone have any ideas on how to get myself out in the land of the living again?

Thanks

Our healing journey is about working thru the different layers and many times you'll find yourself working thru a similar or even exact issue that you thought you had worked on.  Feliss and I have talked about it over and over again.

 

It's why I see myself in the center of mulity layer flower and each time I work thru another layer of an issue that I've not totally done with.  It's exactly on-track to your healthy life style ...  when you realize weeks or months layer that you've dealt with that issue and never had to think about it .. then you've worked it out.

 

It's like when I had to learn to handle my mom taking over my life. I had to learn how to say no and stick with it. I had to stand up for myself and not allow her to bully me.  She still attempts it; however, I know that it's just her "PUSH" and I know that I have plenty of time to do what she is asking. 

 

Does this help?

 
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August 27, 2007, 3:32 pm PDT

Yes; Thank you

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Our healing journey is about working thru the different layers and many times you'll find yourself working thru a similar or even exact issue that you thought you had worked on.  Feliss and I have talked about it over and over again.

 

It's why I see myself in the center of mulity layer flower and each time I work thru another layer of an issue that I've not totally done with.  It's exactly on-track to your healthy life style ...  when you realize weeks or months layer that you've dealt with that issue and never had to think about it .. then you've worked it out.

 

It's like when I had to learn to handle my mom taking over my life. I had to learn how to say no and stick with it. I had to stand up for myself and not allow her to bully me.  She still attempts it; however, I know that it's just her "PUSH" and I know that I have plenty of time to do what she is asking. 

 

Does this help?

This does help and your first sentence struck a chord with me. I am working on the same issue of trying to deal with my ex and some of our past assets. I did think that I had that issue worked out but apparantly like you say I am still working thru that exact issue still and that is what is keeping me stuck.

Do I make sense?

I am making progress with my family though.

Thanks

 

 
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August 28, 2007, 6:42 am PDT

Yes, it's all about our patterns

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This does help and your first sentence struck a chord with me. I am working on the same issue of trying to deal with my ex and some of our past assets. I did think that I had that issue worked out but apparantly like you say I am still working thru that exact issue still and that is what is keeping me stuck.

Do I make sense?

I am making progress with my family though.

Thanks

 

As Linda and I will tell you, it's about working out our patterns.  The things you need to be asking yourself is WHEN WILL YOU KNOW YOU WILL HAVE BOUGHT CLOSURE TO YOUR LIFE EVENTS?   sometimes, it's a matter of the law ... sometimes it's a matter of letting go of wanting something to be one way and it's not happening.  I'm never going to have the dream mom like I see others have.  My mom isn't ever going to be my friend and co-hort.  She's always lived her own life and there have been periods when I was working that we never connected but for me to take her shopping (she doesn't drive).  I know she loves me - it's just the way she is and has nothing to do with me.

 

When you ask that question, you can then begin to let go of the craziness.  It's what I kept telling my girlfriend about her son ... his ex-wife (as of last week) stole 6 months of the mortgage payments before she left him, tried to get custody of the 1 dog, took him for over $900 plus whatever she wanted from the house -- however, she made his life miserable before she signed the divorce papers.  The stress was putting him in the hospital -- he was losing 2-3 pints of blood .. since the divorce, he's not been feeling it. He now knows what his limitations are and he knows that he can get back everything .. cause they were just material things.  and guess what!  no word about him having to be admitted into the emergency room for the last 2 weeks. 

 

I may go with him to look for furniture on the garbage night out in the suburbs -- I need a new living room couch!  hee hee .....  

 

And remember, working with family and friends is hard work -- however, it's worth it in the end because once we work thru our fears and WHAT IFs ... we all soo discover it's all been lies and they still love us even though we aren't the same people we once were .. we are better!

 
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August 28, 2007, 9:06 am PDT

Sorting it all out.......

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Well, looks as if we get our message board back...I have missed reading everybody's input....

Hope everyone is doing well.

 

Teri

I think that bullying is one of the most dispicable behaviors known to man. Anyone that is in a position of power that is deliberately cruel is evil.

Yet even as a former victim of abuse and long term bullying at school etc... I have come to see how I enabled this behavior. Of course i didn't know I had a right to boundries until i was in my 30s. My first memory is being assaulted by my babysitters husband... i just 'knew' that i had no rights, no say, no strength, no substance and that I deserved to apologze for taking up space and breathing for existing........

I have learnt better and I am now happy to be alive and happy to thrive. I still have a very heard time trusting people and triggers i have to avoid.... but i know that i can ask for help now too....

anyways good luck all keep up the good fight and smile...........breathe........explore..........know that you have the right to exist and BE and be free........

Darlene

 
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August 28, 2007, 11:41 am PDT

Marcia - You Are Great!!

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As Linda and I will tell you, it's about working out our patterns.  The things you need to be asking yourself is WHEN WILL YOU KNOW YOU WILL HAVE BOUGHT CLOSURE TO YOUR LIFE EVENTS?   sometimes, it's a matter of the law ... sometimes it's a matter of letting go of wanting something to be one way and it's not happening.  I'm never going to have the dream mom like I see others have.  My mom isn't ever going to be my friend and co-hort.  She's always lived her own life and there have been periods when I was working that we never connected but for me to take her shopping (she doesn't drive).  I know she loves me - it's just the way she is and has nothing to do with me.

 

When you ask that question, you can then begin to let go of the craziness.  It's what I kept telling my girlfriend about her son ... his ex-wife (as of last week) stole 6 months of the mortgage payments before she left him, tried to get custody of the 1 dog, took him for over $900 plus whatever she wanted from the house -- however, she made his life miserable before she signed the divorce papers.  The stress was putting him in the hospital -- he was losing 2-3 pints of blood .. since the divorce, he's not been feeling it. He now knows what his limitations are and he knows that he can get back everything .. cause they were just material things.  and guess what!  no word about him having to be admitted into the emergency room for the last 2 weeks. 

 

I may go with him to look for furniture on the garbage night out in the suburbs -- I need a new living room couch!  hee hee .....  

 

And remember, working with family and friends is hard work -- however, it's worth it in the end because once we work thru our fears and WHAT IFs ... we all soo discover it's all been lies and they still love us even though we aren't the same people we once were .. we are better!

Thank you

For me it is about the patterns. Oh for sure. Its not about the law in my case. It is about the

letting go and the closure of the life events; yes that is it.

I have been very anxious about the closure and it is making me feel ill and insecure to the point that I am literally frozen; but if I can just put closure to this and hoping it will be in a few weeks then I can move on. If I cant get the closure I am going to have a problem with moving on.

Now I really want the closure now that I know what I am dealing with; but it doesnt mean I am not anxious and scared about it.

 

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