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Topic : 06/24 Banned from the Wedding, Part 2

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(Original Air Date: 11/27/07) Dr. Phil follows up with a family torn apart when the mother was banned from her only son’s wedding. The bride-to-be, Michelle, said she’d rather burn in hell than let her future mother-in-law, Jane, attend the ceremony, and her fiancé, Jay, stood behind her decision. This sent the entire family into a tailspin, with the best man resigning, the aunt disowning the groom and the wedding planner on alert to call 911 if Jane showed up. The big day has come and gone, and everyone returns to update Dr. Phil with the latest. Were they able to bury the hatchet before the wedding? Jane has gone through a rollercoaster of emotions, and Dr. Phil finds out what has her so mad at him, she even wrote him a scathing letter one week after her appearance. Has Jane done a 180-degree turn since? Has Michelle stopped her “campaign of hate mail” as Jane called it and opened up her arms to her husband’s mother? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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November 27, 2007, 3:04 pm PST

11/27 Banned from the Wedding, Part 2

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Michelle had better pray that she lives a perfect life and never has occasion to ask her husband for forgiveness or understanding.  If he can treat his mother in this cold and unforgiving manner then he will certainly treat his wife the same way when the time comes.
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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November 27, 2007, 3:05 pm PST

Nothing worth having ever comes easily....

I continue to be sad for this family.  They are all forgetting the important things.  Michelle seems to be very adamant about not wanting her mother-in-law in their lives.  She does NOT want things to work out with her.  It is very obvious in her statements and demeanor.

Michelles's actions are going to come back to bite her in the rear. She seems to believe that she has all the balls in her side of the court.  Jane will be gone one day and Jay will not forgive her for the loss of the relationship he once had with his mother.  She may not believe this now, but it will happen.  Michelle appears to be very self-righteous and thinks she bears no blame.  She does.

 

Jane too has blame as well, but appears to be making an effort to step back and allow them to live their lives.  She is not able to do this alone.  Michelle seems to be very self serving and self centered as if everything is about her.  I so agree with Dr. Phil, neither Michelle of Jay are being very gracious.  Her spirit is not very loving, very empathic or concerned about anything but herself and how the situation affects her.

Jay, your Mother is always your mother, no matter what.  One day, whether you foresee it now or not, Michelle's lack of understanding, sympathy and compassionate feelings towards your Mother, may very well be directed at YOU.  Karma is out there.  Women sometimes come and go, although you may not believe so now.  I am sure you have had other relationships in the past that you thought would last, they didn't.  You are still in the honeymoon phase.  Do not turn your back on your Mother or your family.  They will ALWAYS be there for you.  I know it is difficult being in the middle between your wife and your mother.  At some point they will BOTH have to understand that both relationships are important to you and attempt to come to terms with that.  If your wife truly loves you, even if your Mother is Attila the Hun, she will go above and beyond to make this work.  As for your Mother, if she recognizes the importance of the relationship with your wife and what it means to you having Michelle in your life, she too will have to stand up and do all she can to make this work.

Ultimately, sometimes we don't always LIKE those we love.  Yet we still make a CHOICE to love them anyway.  Don't make decisions you will regret.

Michelle, I know how difficult it is to have someone in your life whom you feel hates you and who tries to control every aspect of your life with your husband.  Jane will not always be around, we never know what lies before us, anything can happen.  I don't see that you have a true desire to work things out, but maybe you have reasons.  Be the bigger person and make the effort, even if you have done so in the past.  Today is a new day and keep trying, even if you don't see it from Jane initially.  Try and then try again. For your husband.  This is his Mother.  What would you do and how would you feel if Jay could not get along with your Mother?

As I have written this, I feel that maybe there is more than what we can see in 2 hours of television.  Maybe Michelle's true character isn't showing.  Maybe Jane has more fault than can be seen in this time.

I do agree with Dr. Phil, in that there is a sense of graciousness that we must exude and apply in our relationships with family and others.  Please make the effort.  ALL of you must do so, for the sake of yourselves, your immediate family now and for your future family.  If you give it all you have, really A#L you have, I believe you can reach a relationship that may not be the best one, but a relationship that will benefit you all in the long run.  Also, I don't know you're spiritual backgrounds, but it can only help to pray, search your Bible for wisdom and seek God's counsel.

You are all in my thoughts and prayers.  I truly wish you all the best as you move forward in your efforts to heal these relationships!

 

 
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November 27, 2007, 3:05 pm PST

YA BUT

I am ashamed of Michelle and her husband.   The MIL has had her faults for sure but she seems to be making progress.   Has she completly  reform?  Of course not.   It has been 2 months. 

Michelle and DH played the Ya But game.  They complimented a little thing that the MIL did and then said ya but she then did this or brought up so much past.  Of course they cannot let go of the past till they work things out.  It seems to me thought that they should set it aside and work on the future for a bit. 

Michelle and DH needs some counseling too.  With all the drama no marriage cannot survive.  They need to work on insecurities that Michelle has and maybe for now just the DH needs to work with his mom.

 
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November 27, 2007, 3:05 pm PST

The Bride is One Tough Cookie

Having been through a problem with my ex mother in law many years ago  I truly understand the "no win" situation but this girl is too tough on Jane. I think the son has not done anything to support his mother at all. He will be sorry one day. This marriage will not last. The way she is now with Jane is the way she will be with her new husband one day. This is one tough controlling woman.. This marriage will not work and these relationships won't work in any form....I am very disturbed by the son's behavior. I don;t like this girl and I think the handwriting is on the wall. Jane should hang in there because one day her son will be telling her the opposite story.

 

 

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November 27, 2007, 3:05 pm PST

Jay and Michelle and even Jane

Jay and Michelle and even Jane --- If you are reading this,  I think you need to realize that most of these comments are being left by mothers who are putting themselves in Jane's position...  Not realizing that they may or may not be as possessive and domineering as Jane is.  So take these comments with a HUGE grain of salt.  

Those of us who have had  MILs like Jane can understand your situation and not be so JUDGMENTAL.
 
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November 27, 2007, 3:06 pm PST

Agree with you

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Jane, I hope you read these posts.  If you do just sit back and watch what happens in the next few months.  If this girl can be so vile with another human being (for whatever reason) imagine what she will do with your son once things don't go her way.  I think she likes having your son alienating you from their lives.  But time will pass and I believe you will be involved once again in your sons life once he opens his eyes up and sees what he has married.  I personally would just die knowing so many people are leaving messages on this board saying terrible things about me like they are about Michele.  Hang in there you seem like your getting yourself together.  My motto " If you can't change the situation than change how you handle and see the situation.
I totally agree with you. I was on Michelle's side until today. She seems desperate to keep him from his mother at all costs. He seems almost brainwashed. I don't doubt that she will turn that negativity towards him one day, and it will be ugly.
 
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November 27, 2007, 3:06 pm PST

There's more to this story than meets the eye

I truly believe that there are some key background issues regarding this situation which were not explored or revealed on the show. For example, what was Jay's relationship with his mother like before he even met Michelle? Was it, for the most part, already negative? Positive? Indifferent? Another question which comes to mind is whether or not Jay's obvious preference to actively take his new wife's side against his mother (especially after Mom has sincerely apologized) is actually agenda-based  ...  meaning  --  Is his current financial situation, or his job/career, dependent or subsidized in any manner by his new in-laws?  More often than not  ...  this type of guy's so-called "loyalty" is closely tied to money, income, and/or material assets  ...  and whichever party is "providing" or controlling the bulk of it! 
 
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November 27, 2007, 3:07 pm PST

Horrible

I think that it is absolutely horrible how Jane has been treated on the show and by her own son and daughter in law.   My mother in law just passed away in June at the young age of 56.  I wish that they would stop to think  how short life really is and how  aweful they are treating her.  Apparently they were never taught to respect their elders ~ because they are definately not showing respect.  Yeah she may have done some things wrong, but who hasn't?  It's not like they are so perfect.  
 
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November 27, 2007, 3:08 pm PST

11/27 Banned from the Wedding, Part 2

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LOL!  I thought I was the only one who saw the resemblance, not only in looks but in personality. 

 

And YES!  to what the future may hold for Miss Michelle.  Karma is an amazing thing...

 

Could someone PLEASE tell me why Dr. Phil didn't confront the DIL about the eye-rolling when her MIL was speaking?  Or, here's a wacky idea! Why didn't Jay ask his wife to please not roll her eyes and make a snarky face when his mother was in tears...

 

Whatever the problems, whomever did what to whomever--that kind of behavior towards one's mother is totally unacceptable.  Shame, shame, shame on Dr. Phil for allowing it to continue without so much as a word about how unhelpful it was. Shame, shame, shame on the bride's mother for not calling Miss Michelle on it.  I have three married daughters and I tell them all the same thing: They do not have to love everything about their MILs, but they DO have to treat them with respect.

 

To Mr. Jay and Miss Thang Michelle: Lots of luck---you two truly deserve one another.

I agree... I have never been so angry that I registered to write on this board...
 
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November 27, 2007, 3:08 pm PST

I have Never...

I have never posted on this board before but as I watched today's show I found myself about to cry.  As a mother I could feel Jane's pain.  My heart just broke for her.I have been so fortunate to not have had to deal with this but I can't imagine how I would handle it if I did.

A mother's love is one of the most primal things I have ever experienced and any threat to that is likely to bring out the most primal of all feelings.  It doesn't matter what takes your child from you, a drunk driver, cancer or a selfish spoiled controlling individual.  It all ends the same and the feelings attached are enormous, raw and powerful.

I realize Jane made mistakes and as much as I would like to say I wouldn't I could tell from the things i felt today that I likely would too.

All anyone can do once they have made a mistake is own it, apologize for it and commit to change, which is exactly what Jane did.  All this was met with buts, disbelief and resistance on behalf of Michelle and Jay.

They want proof but won't give her the forum in which to deliver it.  They want her to acknowledge her mistakes but acknowledge very little themselves.  They want rules but not to follow any themselves.

When I think that the wedding has happened I am just sick.  How do you re-do that?  I couldn't help watching the video of the wedding that Michelle had a very smug look on her face, looking at times like victory was hers.  There is no victory here, Michelle.  Jay, today it is your mother she's fighting with but in a few years it will be you.  You will become tired of upholding her ridiculous behaviour and when you stop she will turn on you.  Let's hope there aren't any children involved or you'll be hearing, "If you don't follow my list of rules, I'll get a restraining order." 

I don't know if Michelle is an only child but she sure acts like one.  There is not one bit of evidence that she knows the first thing about compromise.

As for Jay, well trust me.  The Lord himself couldn't live with her.  She's there for a good time not a long time.

Hang in there Jane, things will unravel.

 
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