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Created on : Friday, February 08, 2008, 12:21:46 pm
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(Original Air Date: 02/13/08) When people think of sexual predators, they often envision a pervert wearing a trench coat walking the streets. But research shows that a family friend, helper or relative is often the person who victimizes innocent children. Heidi was sexually molested by her stepfather, John, for 12 years. Her mother, Susan, knew it was happening because she walked in on an attack when Heidi was 9, but she stayed with her husband for years after, even as the molestation continued. When Dr. Phil confronts Susan, will she apologize to her daughter? After two decades and years of mental anguish, will Heidi receive answers from her mother? The sparks fly as mother and daughter go head to head. Will they heal their wounds and reunite? Then, the man who Heidi accused of molesting her joins the show. Find out what he reveals and why Dr. Phil doesn't believe him. And, why does Heidi say she has more respect for her abuser than her mother? The twists and turns in this story will shock you. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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March 11, 2008, 2:43 pm PDT

02/13 Behind Closed Doors

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I didn't make excuses for her at all and I don't think the mother was making excuses.  She was offering an explanation for her bad choices and an explanation is not the same as an excuse.  I gave a perspective that has been sorely missing from this discussion.  When you see made-for-tv-shows about these situations, you see a mom packing up her kids in the car and hitting the road.  All I'm saying is YOU CAN'T DO THAT if you're on a base in the middle of a foreign country and your move is, literally, controlled by the military.  As I mentioned before, abusive personalities thrive on isolation and that was a perfect form of isolation.  The military has not been, historically, the best institution for handling sexual abuse properly.  Look at the recent case of the Marine in North Carolina who was murdered by a fellow Marine.  She claimed to have been raped and reported it, but was still working side-by-side with the alleged rapist who eventually  murdered her.  If it is still this bad now, imagine what it was like 25 years ago.  How many times do we hear about battered wives who stay with their husbands, even with relatives close by encouraging them to leave?   How much worse iwould that situation be if you're isolated from family support and the institution that has you isolated you isn't properly equipped to handle such abuses?
I agree with everything you are saying.  Sadly this is overlooked all the time, every day.  What you may have missed on the show is that the mom admitted on the show that the military was willing to fly her  and the children out of there, and she chose not to.  Whatever her reasons were for deciding not to, I am saying that it was not good enough, especially when her daughter says that she had a loving and supportive family back in the states.
 
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March 11, 2008, 2:50 pm PDT

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Quote From: luannet

so sorry, I suppose a biological father would change the dynamics drastically for a woman.  I'm a single mother too and I have compassion for the situation.  I use the term "lazy" in a big way, as almost a biblical term, to be a sluggard, not attentive to details, simpleton who believes anything, and overwhelmed is the root to this kind of mindset.  I'll also suggest money is another root, this man in particular justified (or tried to) everything through his "financial support"....,  

People need to stay sharp in this world.

Love, Luanne

Thank you Luanne for your attempt to understand this.  However I still sense your judgement of who may let a pedophile walk into their home.  The point of the show was that it can happen to anyone, and this is true.  I absolutely agree that we need to stay sharp in this world, and I think we can do this only through education.  Single women who are looking for a fatherly role model for their children, or who struggle financially, etc are targeted by pedophiles but this does not make it their fault.

 

Thank you for listening.

 
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March 11, 2008, 4:40 pm PDT

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I cannot understand how anyone who watched this show could feels for that Mother!! I think that she was so in denial. She just couldn't see that all her daughter needed was validation. I agree with the other post. I would kill any man (or woman) who touched my child. I would live on the street or my car before I would ever subject a child to that torture. I was never abused, and I commend all abuse victims for being able to move on. Making an amazing life for yourself like this woman did is the sweetest revenge!!
 
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March 28, 2008, 12:03 pm PDT

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I too was molested by my mothers husband. From the time I can remember until I was 15 and finally told her. she packed me up and sent me to live with my real dad. I am now 28 years old and my mom is still with him. She has the nerve to get mad at me cuz I won't allow my 4 children (3 girls ages10 7 &4 my boy is 6) to spend the night with them. When I saw the previews for this show it made me realize that my mom isn't the only one who has chosen her husband over a child. I called her the day of the show and told her she should watch and ahe said she had no desire to watch anything on this particular topic. I thinkk mothers like mine and the one on the show should be punished just like the pedophile is because they are enabling him to do horrible things to their children. I bet 100 years ago they would take a man like this out and make an example out of him... maybe if we went back to doing this they would think rwice before hurting a child
 
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March 28, 2008, 5:13 pm PDT

just wondering...are you HEIDI?

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Gee, I do not know where to begin. You seem well educated in the area of Psychology/Psychiatry; so, did it ever occur to you that through Prayer to our Almight Holy Abba God that Heidi was nervous about being on National T.V. Do you really not think that Heidi has not sought out counseling and by the Grace of God has been able to have some healing. Yes it is hard to believe someone who wants to constantly make excuses instead of just owning up to what you have done and asking forgiveness. So, I believe the rolling of the eyes and the 'yeah rights!' come from many years of hearing the same old story time and again.

As for the physical proof. Wouldn't you know that I too would LOVE to see documentation. My mother has never provided me this PROOF. Don't you think you would hold on to something like that if you were the Mom??

Thank God that we all have a right to own opinions and beliefs! I commend you for trying to see the a 'Good' side to Susan. Hopefully that will help her. As for me, I have asked for Susan to attend counseling for many of my years growing up and she never understood what we could possibly go to counseling for. So, it was a BIG SHOCK to be called by a National T V program (which by the way, I have never seen prior to this incident) and told that my Mom wrote in because she wanted to Heal our Relationship.

I prayed for a very long time and the ONE and the ONLY reason I agreed to climb up there and 'air' my dirty laundry is in HOPES that I could be a BEACON to those people out there who feel that they CAN'T heal. Quite honestly I was a wee bit dissappointed as well because I GAVE GLORY TO GOD for being able to move on and that was apparently edited.

Also, Susan was with another man prior to this one who supposedly abused her. We lived in Belgium at the time and Susan had no problem at all getting away from him. THis was also edited from the show. Susan has two amazing parents who would walk to the edge of earth for her. Her father was a Chief of Police and both her Mother and Father raised foster children.

Again, I commend you for trying to take the pressure off of Susan. Unfortunately, I believe that is half her problem. She has never had to face up to REALITY.

hi.  If you are Heidi replying to me here, which your letter seems to indicate, first, I want to COMMEND you for going to counseling after your abuse.  I pray that you are still continuing to get the help and healing you need and deserve. NO CHILD DESERVES TO BE ABUSE OR MOLESTED, etc.

 

If you are Heidi, please understand that, although I saw narcissistic tendencies in you, I do not see you overall as an evil person.  Susan, as I said, showed true BPD characteristics, so how COULD you have turned out any differently than you did.  I'm sorry for your dysfunctional upbringing.  It was wrong and you didn't deserve that.

 

Now, that being said, I did find your 'yeah right' attitude to be rather disturbing, not because your mother, Susan didn't deserve to be scoffed at, but because it does no good to act sarcastic.  I speak from experience in that, having raised children with a lot of sarcasm that they now dish out to me.  Really, it does better to just let the abuser keep their delusions and let the Lord handle all the rest.  Don't harbor bitterness.  See your mother as the sick person she truly is.  I can see delusional thinking in her, don't worry.  You are not to blame for her choices.  You are accountable for yours and your reactions to her ignorance and illness.


I met someone very much like you at one time and that's why I chose to comment.  I'm hoping she also went from help, though I have no proof either way.

 

~PL

 
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March 28, 2008, 5:27 pm PDT

your post about my license, etc

Quote From: fromthesquare

Dr. Phil does not diagnose his guests- in case you haven't noticed.  He will at times say, "You may or may not be suffering from..."  But he does not diagnose.  The reason is simple.  He is working as a talk show host who is not licensed to practice as a psychologist in California.  He deals with his guests with full knowledge of what they suffer from-  without using it as an excuse or disclosing it to us.

As for your multiple diagnoses- What state are you licensed to practice in?

I am not licensed nor did I DIAGNOSE anyone...please re-read what I said...I said "symptoms of" and that is NOT diagnosing.  I still stand on what I posted as being very plausible and I have studied in-depth as well as gone to college to learn about abnormal psychology.

 

PL

 
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March 28, 2008, 5:33 pm PDT

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Quote From: tanyachapman1

 I think prayer is a good start to healing, but thank God you are not a therapist.  You don't know Heidi or how she had to deal with her mother, John or her childhood memories.  You have no idea what the dialog has been between mother and daughter to bring about this hostility and mistrust.  What you see in one hour is not the whole picture to years and years of trying to get over such a trauma.  I can only guess at what has happened and I have sided with Heidi in my own post, but it is only an opinion.  Just send the prayer and leave it at that.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion and view as am I.  I DO thank God I'm not a therapist, because the people that I counsel as a minister, have some very complicated issues as it is, that can be very deceptive and frustrating for the client and me.  I thanked God when I finally decided to NOT go into that field because the people I know who are in it are very tormented by behaviors toward them by their patients.

 

So, thank you for telling me what I already decided. I'm planning to style hair for a living so I can chat with people lightheartedly and not have to deal with the issues of some people who really do not want help or freedom.

 

some people, the ones I have counseled and who applied what I've taught them, are doing great I'm happy to say.  A person does not need a license to give views on things or talk about facts.

 

~PL

 
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March 28, 2008, 5:36 pm PDT

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Quote From: daycontise

We got to know Susan and Heidi over the period of a one-hour show.  Heidi has been dealing with this her whole life.  Susan was the narcissistic one, in my view (obviously not yours) .  Imagine if she had been your mother.  Every time you talked to her about how you felt, even if it was to say how horrible it was that she knew and did not do anything to stop it, and she had that attitude for as long as she has (about 20 years or more), wouldn't you be really sick of hearing it?  Heidi wants to hear her mother say that she was wrong, she is sorry, and if she had it all to do over again, she would have done it differently.  It is surprising to me that you cannot understand Heidi's anger.  Perhaps you do not understand the nightmare she had to endure because her mother chose to keep her exposed to a pedophile.

Actually, I DO understand the nightmare, as my very own sisters-in-law went through it with their own father molesting them and their mother, to this day, shows NO ACCOUNTABILITY nor remorse over having stayed married to him for years later. 

 

I tried to see both sides on Dr Phil's show and I feel very much sure of what I saw.  I'll leave it at that.

 

~PL

 
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April 8, 2008, 1:15 pm PDT

Heidi, You Still Want To Bond With Your Mother?

 

Heidi,

 

Please accept my sympathy over the devastating pain & humiliation you suffered at the hands of your stepfather & biological mother.  I cannot begin to imagine the horror inflicted on you;  no human should have to go through this alone like you did.  If I were in your shoes, I would sever ties with my mother, then change my name, & move to another city ,and never look back, but not before your spit in her face.  She called herself a mother?  This is the woman, who supposedly gave birth to you, & was supposed to protect you at all costs.  Do you realize she probably sold you for money?  It was all about the money & her "Sugar Daddy".  I hope you never see the likes of this evil person again.  As far as your stepfather is concerned, he needs to be sent to the "Electric Chair".

 
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April 18, 2008, 10:13 pm PDT

Molested by a step-grandpa

I'm almost afraid to post this as I don't ever talk about it. But I was sexually abused my my now ex step-grandpa when I was younger. It went on for about 4 years before I ever told anyone. When I did tell, I actually told my abusers wife and his daughter (my ex stepmom). I had the option of turning him in. After I finally told what had been going on, I felt really guilty about it. I loved going there as a child..it was my summer vacation with my stepsister. Even after being abused I'd go back. I don't have answers as to why and at the time it was happening, I wasn't scared... I just knew it was wrong. My abuser was a very big "christian".. a country man.. not someone you would think would do this to a child.. or anyone at that matter. Anyhow, 7 years later I think about it quite often..I wander to myself, "Why me? Why did he do this to me?".. I don't hate him and I have forgiven him.. but I will never forget. I will say though that it ruined my dad's and my relationship and his wife and him got divorced 2 years ago and I somehow feel as if it were my fault... but my dad and I are currently building our relationship back up. :] -- Anyways, I just want to say that I've been in your shoes and I am proud to say I am a sexual abuse SURVIVOR!

 
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