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Topic : 07/21 Lies and Betrayal

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Created on : Friday, February 08, 2008, 12:23:31 pm
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(Original Air Date: 02/14/08) When you get married, you look forward to a life filled with love, happiness and security. But what do you do if you find out your spouse has been telling you lies and is someone completely different than the person you thought you knew? Elizabeth says her husband of three years, Matt, is a pathological liar, a con man and an alcoholic. She says he has lied about everything from what he does for a living to dying of cancer so that she would marry him. Matt says Elizabeth is a sociopath, and he accuses her of molesting her 12-year-old son. When Dr. Phil interrogates them with tough questions, will the truth come out? In an effort to sift through the mudslinging and get to the truth, Matt and Elizabeth agree to take a lie detector test. One of the two was deceitful in answering every question. Find out who. Next, hear from Randy and Rhonda, a couple who took Matt in and are caring for him because they believe he may be living the last phase of his life. Will Matt's shocking statements change their view of him? Dr. Phil has a strong warning for this couple. Then, Matt and Elizabeth are currently separated and negotiating custody of their two young daughters. See the argument that ensues outside the courthouse when Elizabeth accuses Matt of sleeping in the same bed with Rhonda. And, what shocking statement does Matt make about his daughters? Join the discussion.

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July 21, 2008, 8:27 pm PDT

Often interchangeable

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Is Matt an example of someone with or typical of Narcisstic Personality Disorder?
Narcissistic Personality Disorder - Anti Social Personality Disorder - Psychopathy - Sociopathy:  are very similar in their descriptions and are often used interchangeably. 
 
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July 21, 2008, 8:34 pm PDT

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   This Matt is a LIER, and it just terrible how he think he can outsmart everyone and he thinks nobody can't see right through him. I don't believe one word he says! 

           

   It seams to me that that coupe who took him in are motivated by greed too to inherit all his (make believe) millions. They betting on the wrong horse...

 
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July 21, 2008, 8:37 pm PDT

I'm confused

Exactly how did the husband end up on the show? Why did Dr. Phil get out of his chair? It was so weird, and it felt like a lot was edited out.

On shows like this, I can never figure out why the authorities are not contacted so that folks can be sent to jail, or at the very least investigated for fraud.
 
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July 21, 2008, 8:42 pm PDT

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I am surprised to find this was a re-run...  WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THIS FAMILY??????????

 

It's not fair to run a show over again without some follow-up, Dr Phil.  Shame on you.

 

    I like to see what happen too.

 
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July 21, 2008, 8:51 pm PDT

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This guy was completely drunk or on some sort of drugs.  I don't think he'd have passed if they had asked him his name, like he wanted them to.  These two people are complete strangers, even after being married for 3 years.  They didn't seem to have an emotional connection (well, maybe she did, I think he's a sociopath with no emotion).

 

My husband and I know a guy like that, who wouldn't know the truth if he tripped over it, but I've yet to see him in a relationship, and everyone who knows him, knows he's a liar.  He too, took advantage of an 82 year old lady (my great aunt), who paid him to do some painting, and she hasn't seen him again.

 

People like this make me sick, and regardless of how horrified Dr. Phil was when he said his children are dead to him, I think it's the best thing for his ex wife and children.  They don't need to be around him at all.

 

    How can a person say this about his own children, what did they do to deserve this?!

     

   How he even came up with this, that thought would never even enter my mind, it is shocking to say this to a stranger not to your own children!

 
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July 21, 2008, 9:09 pm PDT

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I am surprised to find this was a re-run...  WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THIS FAMILY??????????

 

It's not fair to run a show over again without some follow-up, Dr Phil.  Shame on you.

It's summer.
 
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July 21, 2008, 9:12 pm PDT

Once again.....

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Why, oh why are so many women so easily led straight into hell by these sociopathic men??

 

Reading this message board, reading all the stories from these women sickens me, and infuriates me at the same time! If you don't do your homework and investigate any and all men who attempt to come into your lives, then you deserve whatever you get! No one is going to protect you but yourself. Keep these jerks away from you...and especially your children....until you use every available method to check them out! Use the same Internet you probably used to find these men to find out the information you need. It's there...you just have to be persistent in finding it.

 

Ask to see their driver's license and do a NATIONWIDE back ground check using that information. If something that's even a little bit off comes up, don't allow the guy to gloss over it and use excuses to twist it around.....know that if he lies about one thing, he will lie about other things.  Don't forget to check sex offenders websites, especially if you have children....predators love desperate single mothers and they have all kinds of devious ways to get next to you and then the kids.

 

Check out where he says he works; verify it.  Verify where he says he lives by doing a car license tag check. You can access utility records to see whose name they are in...and, by the way, do this without alerting him first, because if he's lying about where he lives and he knows you're going to check, he will figure out another lie to cover his a**.  This information is public, by the way, so you have every right to look it up.

 

If you have access to their social security number, even better.....with that information you can find out any criminal history they may have...and if the name doesn't match the number,  you know  you're in the path of danger. (BEFORE YOU FREAK OUT ABOUT THE SOCIAL SECURITY THING, LET ME CLARIFY THAT YOU ONLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK THAT IF YOU ARE SO INVOLVED WITH THIS MAN THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT OR PLANNING TO MARRY, OR ARE LETTING HIM MOVE IN WITH YOU! DO THIS BEFORE YOU TAKE EITHER OF THOSE STEPS......and, by the way, if you've gone that far, have you met his family? If not, that's a red flag! Personally, if he told me he didn't have any family because  they are deceased, I'd check out death records to verify that, too!)

 

Don't accept ANYTHING they tell you at face value. If they act insulted, run. Those who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.  

 

Sorry if you think this is being paranoid....better that than being gullible, naive and ignorant, and putting yourself and your kids in danger.

 

And one more red flag: Do NOT allow any man to rush you into marriage or living together! That's a prime sign that something isn't right. You cannot fall in genuine love with anyone within a few weeks or months......you can't know someone in that amount of time, and you can't fall in love with what you don't know.  Besides, if it is genuine, both of you should be willing to give it some time to be sure, and to do it right.  And, for God's sake, don't be stupid enough to get pregnant and put yourself in a desperate position!!

 

Common sense, ladies....just common sense. Use it!

Once again, bringing this forward...because I care!

 

 

 
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July 21, 2008, 9:25 pm PDT

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I totally agree!  Internet dating is too scary, too loose and too dangerous! It's so easy to lie....and, if you're smart, (but you insist on using the Net to find someone anyway), then be smart enough to at least use that same Internet to check them out!

 

As for Elizabeth being dumb enough to believe that lost house keys bull crap when they took that trip to Florida....... duh, duh, DUH!!

 

By the way....when loser Matt made that statement that his children were "dead" to him and he wouldn't see them anymore, I cheered! What child needs an alcoholic sociopath in their life? I mean, he decided to give them away like puppies to the naive people who are presently taking care of him.....and those people are also stupid enough to believe that the court would just blithely hand the kids over to strangers when their father dies (which is a load of crap; he may die of alcoholism, but I doubt he is telling the truth about having cancer right now) when their mother is still alive and well! Again: DUH! I doubt that couple has any motivation other than the money they think they will get "when Matt dies".

 

Nothing good can come to you when you're motivated by greed.

 

WHEN will common sense make a comeback?

When WILL common sense make a comeback?
 
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July 21, 2008, 9:43 pm PDT

Women keep yourselves in the power position!

My daughter once dated a guy just like Matt. He lied over the stupidest things.  He had a whole song and dance complete with tears about how she was his soulmate...blah, blah, blah.  Said he was a virgin (he was 17, but I didn't buy it).  Turns out he had a prior girlfriend he was still seeing while he was seeing my daughter.  The girlfriend was pregnant with his child.  He'd laid a guilt trip on her by telling her he was being evicted from where he was living and was going to live in the woods.  So she talked us into taking him in for a few days which turned into two weeks.  We finally figured out he was dealing drugs and guns while in our home and that he was lying for no good reason.  My sister who is married to a psychologist said he was a sociopathic liar and she was right.  We booted him out and then had to cancel credit cards and make sure our identities were safe.

 

What Matt's wife should have done rather than try to confront with the intention of re-engaging him was to completely disengage from him.  The only reason he said his kids were dead to him was to make a  power play.  He knew that saying that would cause his wife more grief thus making him feel powerful.  It was his big trump card.  But he can only cause grief if she lets him.  The person who cares the least in a relationship has the power.  He obviously cares the least, and she has put herself in the victim position by caring too much what he does or doesn't do.  If she withdraws her emotions from him, he won't have any power over her.  He can say or do as he pleases, but it won't effect her, so he will have the power no more.  In order to reach the point of not caring, she must recognize him for what he is, realize she's not losing a good thing, but divesting herself of a bad thing.  And she should make plans for her life and her kids that don't include him.

 
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July 21, 2008, 10:45 pm PDT

Surprised

Not as if Dr. Philldidn't catch this ridiculous man in a ton of lies already, but I am surprised he didn't call him on being drunk or high or whatever he was on!
 
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