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Created on : Friday, February 08, 2008, 12:25:06 pm
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(Original Air Date: 02/15/08) What happens when a parent’s agenda becomes so extreme that his or her children are forced to live a harsh, stoic existence? Dan and Janna are a college-educated couple married for 15 years with seven children, ages ranging from 2 weeks to 14. They have no income, no heat, no running water and are about to lose their house. Dan and Janna believe that their primitive lifestyle is God’s will, and that they are being led by the Lord. Janna’s mom, Carol, and stepdad, Rich, are worried about the health of their grandchildren. Are they eating enough? Are they warm enough? They say because the children are home schooled, they live in a cult-like home environment, and are not exposed to the outside world. Carol and Rich are willing to bail this family out one last time, but why are Dan and Janna refusing the help? After eight failed businesses, why won’t Dan get a job to support his family? Where will they go when they are forced out of their home? Talk about the show here.

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February 15, 2008, 8:04 am PST

they need help

 for one the kids need taken away they should not be aloud to live like that then the parents should be taking to get mental help i mean come on they are able to work get out and work  and STOP HAVING KIDS you cant take care of the ones you have now and STOP SAYING GOD IS GUIDING YOU THIS WAY thats bull god would not do that
 

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February 15, 2008, 8:07 am PST

02/15 Living on a Prayer

God does not steer one towards a path of destruction or a good life, he gave life, he may give tips but he will not control your life like this.

 

Don't hate someone, or dislike them for what they are, just help them, and if it doesn't work, I don't know what to say after that.

 
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February 15, 2008, 8:09 am PST

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I believe that this guy is an idiot.  How can you hear God's word and let your 2 week old baby live in a house with no heat.  Do they even realize that their kids can be taken because he needs to do God's will.  I am a new mother and I live in low income houseing but my child has never gone without anything.  I can't believe as a mother that she is just willing to sit by as her husband does these things when it has to be obvious that his "buisness" ventures aren't going to work.  He should have had a job all this time not just now trying to find one in two weeks before they are forced out of their home.  How can you live with yourself knowing that you and your children could be homeless.  If your husband decides to lice that way you should not be having anymore children.
 
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February 15, 2008, 8:12 am PST

Living on a prayer

This couple doesn't deserve these children and she needs to get surgery so she doesn't have anymore.  They both are lazy, low-life losers and are teaching all these children that this is the way to live.  Grow up and get a life!!!  He kept saying he works everyday, but obviously, there is no income for all his work.  ??

Both of you need to get off your duff and get a job and support your family.  You say it's not that easy, but McDonald's hires everyday......................

 
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February 15, 2008, 8:17 am PST

The Mother needs to leave...

I am a Christian and have 5 children.  My husband and I brought our kids into this world because we believe that in marriage you are to be open to new life and that our children are a blessing from God.  My husband works very hard so I can stay home with our children.  He is a wonderful provider and at one time (at the begining of our marriage) worked 2 jobs to provide.  I think it is horrible that this man is using God as an excuse to let his children live in a home without water of utilites.  He needs to work and work NOW!  It sounds like he is very educated and shouldn't have a problem finding a well paying job.

 

As a wife and mother I wouldn't be able to go through any of what Janna is going through.  He needs to get work or Janna should take the children to her mother's until he does.

 
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February 15, 2008, 8:19 am PST

This is absurd

These people are college educated they could get a job. I am reminded of a scripture that says something about "those who will not work they should not eat" my quoting is probably not perfect. There are a lot of people working for low wages that wish they had a college education to earn a better living for their families. Are they getting food stamps to eat on? If they are then my tax money is helping feed those kids. I have a low paying job. I live in Ga and am reminded of a case recently where a families home had burned and they were living in their garage, the parents were arrested for living in an unsafe structure because of inadequate electrical, and no indoor plumbing. How can this family live like this without DFACS taking those kids.

In my opinion God has given them education, oppotunity, and health. They need to use those gifts!

Think of the disabled who wish they were healthy enough to work!!!!!!

 
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February 15, 2008, 8:20 am PST

Dump a man of God? Are you kidding me?

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I'm a Christian and very proud of the fact.  That's why it ruffles my feathers when a lazy, irresponsible loser like this guy claims "God's will" so he doesn't have to work!  Come on!  God commands you to work to support your family!  What Bible are you reading?  This guy's just mad because God's REAL will might actually lead him to an honest day's work instead of a day of feeding tropical fishes!  A bit of advice for ya, DAD!  Get off your duff and get to work like a real Christian man would do for his family.  And stop using God as an excuse for your laziness!

 

Mom, if I were you, I'd start listening for the still small voice that is telling you to dump this bum.

Dump this man because he is a dreamer whose dreams didn't come out the way he had hoped...that makes him a bum.  Wow.

 

Whatever, you see it one way and I see it another.

 

Do I agree that he should be a working a full time job for another that will pay him a steady income until he gets back on his feet and can bring his dreams into reality...by all means yes!

 

Did you not catch that he is a doing exactly that?

 

He has 4 or 5 applications out there and is in the process of waiting for responses...

 

He like the average American today is facing the same job market results...our stock market has been unstable since the report in January of the number of Americans that are without work.  Not because they are lazy, yet because our Government during the Clinton-Gore fiasco...put together NAPTA...that gave large tax incentives and subsidies to large companies that would re-locate to other countries...

 

I was told the other day by a Republican party basher that former president Bush first had the idea and Clinton-Gore put it on the ballot for the American people telling them how wonderful and sound it was...

 

I knew because I can walk, talk and chew gum at the same time...that the American people would eventually suffer the outcome of big businesses re-locating to other countries and I don't have a college degree behind me...

 

I have met many people with college degrees that have to work more than one job to keep ahead of the wolves at the door.  So a college degree in today's world is not necessarily a carte blanc card to success...we are in troubling times people...

 

This man was not allowed to speak freely his mind about his acrylic invention company that grossed over a million dollars.  Gross is a random figure for what he made and what he got to keep after the expenses are two different commodities...

 

I wished that he could have taken his invention to the next step for it sounded from the brief description of it...that a large exercise company found his invention useful...did this large corporation, who do him...because he lives a life of trust, faith and belief...would he have been the first to ever get taken down by the large guy in business, just because they had all the capital and attorneys behind them?

 

No, I for one am another dreamer that prays more than complains...I am one that believes that "vengeance is mine saith the Lord."

 

All please remember one valuable thing here with this show and all other shows that are geared towards making changes in our land...one hour, is not enough time in which to adequately sum up any one's life style choices...

 

Was this guy's father a dreamer and an inventor as well?  Do children not copy the perceptions and habits of their parents?

 

Those are my thoughts, I am sure that I am not done posting...for this subject is a touching my heart more than it did when it aired...just by the responses I am a reading...so far.

 

We Are All Blessed

Love, Light and Peace

Tonie

 
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February 15, 2008, 8:30 am PST

02/15 Living on a Prayer

OK - this couple are a pair of flaming idiots.  Dan won't shut up long enough to really listen.  I loved Dr. Phil's comment that working and being productive are two different things.  Dan doesn't get it because he's so dysfunctional and self-absorbed.  Unfortunately the world is full of Dans and most unfortunately - these boobs are reproducing. 

 

Those poor, poor children.  Dr. Phil is right - they don't get a vote or a choice and they're picking up the tab for their parent's selfishness and stupidity.  They may love their children - but love is an action verb and you don't relegate your children to living in Third-World poverty and hunger because you're unwilling to work for someone else.

 

Dan is a dreamer without a clue, his wife is a flaming idiot and his children are picking up the tab.  I hope the grandparents and/or Dr. Phil contact the local division of family services because even if the parents love their children - they're abusing and neglecting them.  The parents contend the children don't miss meals - well someone explain to me how one purchases groceries without income?  What are they feeding these kids - rainwater soup?

 

The conditions these children are forced to live in are unhealthy, unsanitary and plain abusive.  I hope someone steps in to rescue them.  Now THAT would be God-directed!

 
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February 15, 2008, 8:38 am PST

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what kind of church do they go to? they need to talk to the pastor of their church to get some guides and some kind of  counseling. their older ghildren should be in a public school to make friends.. i thought all the chidren looked real healthy and happy. the bible  says in 1 timothy 5:8 says we are to provide for our family. i hope that he can find a job. for he has alot of mouth to feed. they must be getting some kind of help from somewhere. where is his mom and dad. and what are they saying about this . i will be praying for the family. godbles the little children. jesus said let the little children come  unto me. for he said that we have to come to him as alittle child. god bless sue
 
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February 15, 2008, 8:40 am PST

self-employed, good idea?

 

My husband seems similar in the way that he has all these business ideas all the time that he wants to try. We are self-employed currently but before taking any of his ideas to the practice, he does a lot of research and gets very well informed. Of course there aren't any guarantees and right now we aren't making millions but we have come up with different ideas to stay a float and to provide for our large family. To get started we purchased a duplex so the rent from the other unit would cover most of the mortgage and we could build some assets without wasting money on rent. I do translations for a local women's center in exchange for diapers or clothes when things get rough. We buy used clothing or toys sometimes (a lot of times we find new clothes with tags in garage sales). We don't spend money on going out to the movies, dinners or unnecessary things but we compensate with going out to the park or doing other free things with our kids. Saving money on other things has allowed us to travel abroad with our kids, our son goes to private school and we spend a lot of time with our kids because of our flexible schedule. I work from home doing graphic design and my husband sells my design services (besides many other business ventures). It is great to be available to my kids and I can understand how this family wants to be together and not let their kids be in daycares but you have to find the right business opportunity and research it. My husband had a job and anytime can look for another one if we don't become successful. We have chosen not to work completely fulltime since our kids are small but we cover all of our basic needs. I think something that is key too is to never isolate yourself. Our kids go to playgroups, go to the park, we visit family, etc - they have an active social life. My husband and I go out. I have the occassional girls night out. We also make sure that the financial stress is not too big to become a burden and not allows us to thrive as a family. I think that making sure that everybody in your family is really happy (and not in your self idea of hapiness as an adult) and healthy will lead you into the right path. I think what God really wants is for us as parents is to work hard to make sure everybody in the family is happy and if that means I have to go out and scrub floors and toilets to meet those needs...I would. Being self employed is a huge risk but it becomes smaller when you do the proper research. You should establish goals and deadlines so if doesn't work out then you move to something else or work for someone else. This man just needs to make a real plan and start smaller. My husband had a job and we started our business as a side thing until we knew for sure we could survive from those profits and that there was a potential to grow from there. That's when he quit. Maybe that's how this family should start to assure success in the self-employment world.

 
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