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(Original Air Date: 02/15/08) What happens when a parent’s agenda becomes so extreme that his or her children are forced to live a harsh, stoic existence? Dan and Janna are a college-educated couple married for 15 years with seven children, ages ranging from 2 weeks to 14. They have no income, no heat, no running water and are about to lose their house. Dan and Janna believe that their primitive lifestyle is God’s will, and that they are being led by the Lord. Janna’s mom, Carol, and stepdad, Rich, are worried about the health of their grandchildren. Are they eating enough? Are they warm enough? They say because the children are home schooled, they live in a cult-like home environment, and are not exposed to the outside world. Carol and Rich are willing to bail this family out one last time, but why are Dan and Janna refusing the help? After eight failed businesses, why won’t Dan get a job to support his family? Where will they go when they are forced out of their home? Talk about the show here.

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February 15, 2008, 10:01 am PST

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I have not seen this episode yet. So, I will try not to make judgements but, I would ask, why can't he work at least  a "dime a dozen ' job?  Something, anything, to provide for his family? His wife, while homeschooling, could also be couponing, and rebateing... throw it in as part of the children's education. I'm a huge coupon/rebater and have found it is better for us financially for me to only work outside the home for a few hours a week (while my kids are in school) and otherwise do all I can to save the money we bring in.  I can't understand why they're not at least doing something. And, IMO and experience one doesn't wait on applications, a  person should check back frequently and do as much proactively as possible.

 

Dan's wife stated that Dan has put in four or five applications for work and that they are in the mist of the wait time that it takes to get an interview.

 

Dan is 4 months behind on his $800 a month mortgage payments...to a millionaire that may not seem that much yet to one taking a min. wage job...a life time to catch up on...and only a short time in which to do such...for he is in the process of not being able to provide the roof that at least his family have been a living in...so a dime an hour job...wouldn't help solve too many problems at this point...

 

If that makes any sense at all...

 

thanks again for caring enough to share your thoughts...

May You Be Blessed

Love, Light and Peace

Tonie

 

 
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February 15, 2008, 10:30 am PST

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Dan's wife stated that Dan has put in four or five applications for work and that they are in the mist of the wait time that it takes to get an interview.

 

Dan is 4 months behind on his $800 a month mortgage payments...to a millionaire that may not seem that much yet to one taking a min. wage job...a life time to catch up on...and only a short time in which to do such...for he is in the process of not being able to provide the roof that at least his family have been a living in...so a dime an hour job...wouldn't help solve too many problems at this point...

 

If that makes any sense at all...

 

thanks again for caring enough to share your thoughts...

May You Be Blessed

Love, Light and Peace

Tonie

 

The point here would be that even bringing in a minimal amt. would prove that he is making an attempt and at least help to some point.  Whoever's parents that are helping them out would probably appreciate it and whatever job he is interviewing for would have a current job record/ performance to draw off of. As for the mortgage, he maybe 4 mos. behind but if he had an income the mortgage company maybe willing to work with him..esp. with the current atmosphere now. If the wife's skills are more marketable , then she should work and he could stay home and school the kids...you just have to do what it takes.
 
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February 15, 2008, 10:41 am PST

homeschooling...

 

This show absolutely shows homeschooling at it's worst.  It shows members of a cult-religion using it as a tool to isolate and indoctorinate the next generation of weak-minded people. Not all home-schooling is bad, but when mom and dad are brainwashed, they're surrounded by this warped reality.

 

I can understand wanting to protect your kids, but you can only do that for so long before they have to face the reality that life isn't a Disney movie.  Allowing them to be around a broader base of children prepares them to deal with people from all walks of life.  They have to have a grounded perspective about who they are and that strengthens them  when they interact  and have that social dynamic with people who are different.

 
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February 15, 2008, 11:21 am PST

Hiding behind religion

I'll watch the show, but so far, it sounds to me like someone is hiding their laziness & lack of responsibility behind the pages of the Bible.  Religious fanatics are never endowed with an abundance of common sense.
 
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February 15, 2008, 11:36 am PST

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Last month when my brother in law caught a ride from Michigan to Wyoming in search of work on the oil pipe line after being fired from a company that he worked for as welder for 15 years.

 

A company that was closing in a short time and wanted to reduce the number of employees that were going to be on the unemployment docket.

 

My brother in law was fired on a technically...that had never been in place before, yet that was during a time that the company was a prospering and doing good and they could over look everyones transgressions...

 

I always put all persons that I love and care about on God's Altar of prayer wishes...when I do this, I generally get insight during my troubling moments...this is what I got after doing this for my brother in law...who along with my sister...owned half of my dad and mom's estate and now were looking to lose not only their half, yet the entire family's other half...

 

130,000 Michigan residents have left the state of Michigan in search of employment...I told my brother, oh my goodness, you and I know two of that 130,000 Michigan residents...our brother in law and my brother's own daughter...who worked for General Motors...

 

So yes, we all can say this or that, yet until we gather the data...sometimes we really don't know everything based on our own perceptions...

 

Perhaps this guy a being forced out of his home will be a good thing, for maybe he will have to relocate to an area that affords him the kind of work that will provide adequately for his family.

 

I will be a praying for God to intercede in his life, instead of banishing him to hell for not believing in the God he serves to not be real...

 

Just my thoughts for whatever they are worth...

May You Be Blessed

Love, Light and Peace

Tonie

This guys completely full of crap.  They're ALWAYS hiring at fast food places  Signs ALWAYS right up there in the window, whether you're walking in or driving through.  Same with convenience stores.  He said he put out ten applications to pet stores. Yeah that WOULD be great playing with puppies all day.  That's a fun low paying job that plenty of folks would like to do.  That's why they usually don't need any more help.  But this numpty doesn't have the luxury to be picky.  And yet selfishly he is.   In the meantime his children are showering at campsites and the Y and doin' their business in the woods.  Gimme a break.  I'm so tired of pious,minipulative men using the bible to justify their own selfish positions.  He's not the first and sadly he won't be the last. Hit the pavement EVERY day buddy.  Till you get a job!
 
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February 15, 2008, 11:46 am PST

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I got a newsflash for the Dan guy. God would not tell you to lay on your lazy butt while your family suffers. He'd probably tell him to get a job. This lady needs to be fixed so they can't drag anymore kids into the mess they have to live in. The grandparents of these kids I believe are being manipulated by the adults with the kids. If the grandparents really care about their grandkids they'd go to court and get these kids to a safe place to stay. The loony parents need to be locked up for child neglect.
 
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February 15, 2008, 11:58 am PST

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This is just another great example what I call "Stinken Thinken".  Wake up people God is sending help, and has spoken, But if you don't make an effort and help yourself, you thwart his helps.

God does help, But you have to do your part too.

Ex.:

It's like the man that  was hangin on for dear life,

to the top of his house, as a flood, had engulfed his home

and even though prior to that, there was time to escape,

the man stuck around to wait on God - because he knew God would tell him what to do and bring him help.  The rains came and he watched the water rise and did nothing because he just knew God would do something and or let him know when he should leave, even though he ignored multiple warnings from news cast, family & friends; and  He would have had time to save nearly everything he had, yet he waited, and still ignored his friends and family's  many warnings and willingness to help him, because he was waiting on God to send help.  so he found himself clinging to the roof of his house as it floated down what was rapidly becoming a river; several boats had gone by and and the people pleaded with the man to come with them, but he refused becaused he was waiting on God to do something, and bring him help. the police came by , but again he refused their help because God was sending him help. A helicopter came to help him, yet he refused the help, because he was waiting on God, and as they watched  in horror, the house was pulled apart by the current and the man drown. the entire time refusing their help because he just knew God would send him help.  And then...As he stood beforeGod asking in despiration, "Why didn't you come??? Why didn't you listen???"  God answered, "My child, I sent you many warnings... But you would not heed... you would not listen; I sent help even to the end, but you refused, you would not come.

 

What I 'm  trying to say is, Buddy, When you know how to swim, but all your willing to do is dog paddle, you'll get nowhere,fast.  Sadly, all your teaching those babys to do, is dog paddle, and not to swim, you  have a choice to better yourself, but what  you are giving them, is nothing short of dooming them to drowning.And fast! Not to mention  setting into motion what lies ahead for all your grandchildren and future heirs as well.  And God; in know way has taught  or tells us to do that, in fact He tells us in His Word, Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

It's great that you are so creative and a go getter...but your priorities are misplaced,  the things you are teaching your children are something you can still give them on the side, while consciously setting an example of a hard working (in other words providing for your family - which you aren't doing right now), God fearing, familyman, with an American heritage worth defending; and a God they can grow up to love instead of Blame. 

 Here's a little something to think about: Author Unknown

 

 The Man in the Glass

 

When you get what you want in your struggle for self

and the world makes you king for a day

Just go to a mirror and look at yourself

And see what that man has to say.

 

For it isn't your parents-- your children-- or wife

Who judgement upon you must pass

The fellow whose verdict counts most in your life

Is the one staring back from the glass.

 

Some people may think you a straight-shooting chum

And call you a wonderful guy

But the  man in the glass says you're only a bum

If you can't look him straight in the eye.

 

He's the fellow to please, never mind all the rest

For he's with you clear up to the end

And you've passed your most dangerous, difficult test

If the man in the glass is your friend.

 

You may fool the whole world down the pathway of life

And get pats on your back as you pass

But your final reward will be heartaches and tears

If you've cheated the man in the glass.

 

 

 

Now,  God  is the One that can and will, help you be Friends with that man in the Glass!!! If you Let Him!!!

I have heard this story about the man on the roof in a flood, and have quoted it many times to some religious fanatics who aren't thinking straight!

 

It's kind of like the guy who stood in the middle of a freeway saying "God will protect me from getting hit by a car."  He was, of course, shmooshed and when he got to Heaven he angrily asked God, "Why did you let me get hit by those cars?" And God said: "I gave you the common sense to stay out of the street. You chose to ignore it!"   HA!

 

Please visit my website: WWW.NONONSENSEGRAMMYTREE.BLOGSPOT.COM for a little common sense.

To those of you who have visited and left comments, thank you for your interest and for those comments. I have posted a letter today to all of you.

 
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February 15, 2008, 12:11 pm PST

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 Red Light Photo Blocker? That's this guys innovative idea? How's aiding and abeting people to break the law, God's will????
 
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February 15, 2008, 12:17 pm PST

I Heard You, Janna

I watched this show and saw just a few glimpses into the heart of Janna.  I wish we could have a conversation together.  You are a brave and hard working woman, and I'm sorry for the people who have judged you for less.  You are a woman of principle and great love for her children.  There were words that you shared that I thought were sadly overlooked.  When you mentioned that never once have you heard an atta girl from your mother, my heart sank.  I wish you had more support, but dear Janna, although we have never met, and likely never will, know that I would be an understanding friend.  It would not be disrespectful for you to make some clear decisions on your own instead of just relying on your husband to lead the family.  God originally gave men women as help mates.  In some cases, the wife has many more abilities and talents.  If he can't get a job, perhaps you could.  The schools are very helpful for children, and it would give you time, something that you need right now more than anything, if you sent the kids to school rather than homeschooling them.  Our schools offer both lunch and breakfast to children.  I think you will make it through this, and I hope your life continues to change for the better.  Congratulations on the birth of your darling baby.  All your children are very precious, indeed.

 
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February 15, 2008, 12:19 pm PST

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  If they couldn't afford one child, what made them think they were lucky with SEVEN!

  I guess it was God's will that they would be on Dr. Phil so he could bail them out!

  Sympathy isn't what they deserve. Both of them should find jobs, put the children

  into school so they can be taught by people who have degree's and they can be part

 of society. I believe this would be under the category of abuse.

I agree!!!  You would have to be really dense to know that this family would not fall under heavy viewer scrutiny.  It really sounds like they are looking for a "Dr Phil handout".  Since Dr Phil has been historically generous with his time and resources, maybe oh maybe he would do as her parents have done and give them a handout.  Funny how those people who hide being the guise of "It's better to give than recieve" alwys feel they are entitled to the recieing end of that phrase. By the way........what's wrong with the woman taking a job to support her family? If she is a college graduate and he wants to continue to work on his....whatever it is he does.....why can't she support her family financially?   I have 3 letters fot his family....CPS!!!
 
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