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Created on : Friday, February 08, 2008, 12:25:06 pm
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(Original Air Date: 02/15/08) What happens when a parent’s agenda becomes so extreme that his or her children are forced to live a harsh, stoic existence? Dan and Janna are a college-educated couple married for 15 years with seven children, ages ranging from 2 weeks to 14. They have no income, no heat, no running water and are about to lose their house. Dan and Janna believe that their primitive lifestyle is God’s will, and that they are being led by the Lord. Janna’s mom, Carol, and stepdad, Rich, are worried about the health of their grandchildren. Are they eating enough? Are they warm enough? They say because the children are home schooled, they live in a cult-like home environment, and are not exposed to the outside world. Carol and Rich are willing to bail this family out one last time, but why are Dan and Janna refusing the help? After eight failed businesses, why won’t Dan get a job to support his family? Where will they go when they are forced out of their home? Talk about the show here.

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July 18, 2008, 3:04 pm PDT

Good Lord...........

Why is it always "God will provide" or "God has a plan for me"?

People need to take action on their own.

These parents are not looking after the best interests of their children yet they seem so clueless when confronted by such easy questions on the show.

They need to get out and get a job, pay rent, buy food etc.

It is not rocket science!!

Faith is suppose to comfort, assist and guide lives. As far as earning a living that is all of this world and i do not believe you can "wait" for something to fall out of the heavens. You need to make good decisions and look after your family.

These parents are just idiots.

 
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July 18, 2008, 3:08 pm PDT

prayer needed

This family needs for us to pray for them...they have obviously lost their way. Dr. Phil, isn't this a rerun.? Do you have an update on this family?
 
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July 18, 2008, 3:49 pm PDT

More troubled seeing it the second time

I watched this show for the second time and felt worse than I did watching it the first time.  I don't know if it was the fact that the husband was so defensive and had an answer for everything or the fact there are innocent children involved.  I was always under the belief that the Lord will provide, but also the Lord helps those who helps themselves.  I do not feel this couple, especially the husband, are helping themselves or their family.  My heart goes out to the grandparents who have tired to help the family.  Perhaps the husband believes that the Lord is providing to them through his in-laws.  I don't think the husband should abandon his dreams, but he should be providing for his family.  His wife constantly accusing her parents of meddling & insisting she stand by her husband is not helping the family either.    My biggest concern is the safety and wellbeing of the children.  I do not feel the parents are making the best choices for their family or children.  They need a wakeup call and to get in touch with reality. 

 
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July 18, 2008, 4:53 pm PDT

Time to GROW UP!

It is soo easy for the dad of this household to blame everyone but himself for the disaster that his poor family is in.  Instead of being open to the possibility that he is not doing a very good job (by which all indications are obvious) he is defensive and rationalizing and justifying why he is doing what he is doing, all the while holding his poor wife and kids hostages to his nightmare.

Get a job, be responsible for once and stop passing the buck and blame about why you are not a success.  Your kids deserve more than that... you have been a drain and blight on your family....

 
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July 18, 2008, 6:54 pm PDT

Are you serious?!?!

The children will definitely pay for the sins of their father. That man needs to grow up and get real. How selfish! From what I saw of him and his demeanor on the show, I don't understand how he could've been intelligent enough to even earn a college degree! Seriously, I think when he was 'in the acrylic business' he inhaled some toxic fumes that have eaten his brain cells; he acts as if he has some mental problems. And don't get me started on his 'stand by your man' wife!!! She's got a degree, too. One of them needs to step up and do right by their children. She should let him be a stay-at-home dad and go to work and earn some money! I have little sympathy for her. Not only does she defend him, she appears to be somewhat confused and misguided herself. Both of them give off an air of nonchalance and cluelessness. After 7 kids you need to wake up and realize there's something seriously wrong with the life you're chosing (and yes, you are choosing it). I'd be surprised if DFACS wasn't waiting for them when they got back home.
 
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July 18, 2008, 7:59 pm PDT

GOD CAME THROUGH FOR ME !!

  After 2 years of College I had my papers that would help me get a job in the field of Corrections as an Officer.The problem was that I had medical problems since the age of 12 that would not allow me to pass the physical so I was declined.I was disappointed but I went back to College for 2 more years and worked 30 HOURS a week on nights to get my papers to work with the disabled.I obtained a job in a Government facility in 1985 but I became sick 10 months later due to insomnia related to the illness.I decided that night shift might work better for my abnormal sleep pattern but I was told that it was impossible due to a 3 year waiting list for steady nights.I prayed and 2 days later an oppening appeared on nights and I worked for 23 years in that position.The moral of the story is this {P-R-A-Y while heading OUT FOR WORK 7 DAYS A WEEK ....and show god..... you truly want a job and he will give you everything you need} OR continue to make excusses and PLAY the victim and god will wait till your ready to work FULL TIME ??
 
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July 19, 2008, 12:13 am PDT

Seriously

Seriously no one else had a problem with even tho there is no money to just run the basic household, this family had many CATS also. That caught no one elses attention? Call animal control about the cats, then maybe somebody will notice the kids.
 
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July 19, 2008, 7:36 am PDT

Child abuse!!!!

I think their children should be taken away from them......this is a form of child abuse, not only physically but mentally.  I think they are endangering the well being of these children.  Their thinking is ridiculous.  The father should be put in a mental facility.  I would like to see where they went after their house was repossessed.  I just feel so sorry for those children, and I am sure they will be having more. 
 
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July 19, 2008, 7:44 am PDT

07/17 Living on a Prayer

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why should Dr. Phil or Pastor Dan offer to give this man a job when he is completely capable of doing this for himself ... he has just chosen not to! 
It is hard for Dr. Phil to offer help to this mother and father, when they refuse to even try to help themselves.  On the other hand I think Dr. Phil should have had DHS pay a visit to this household and help those children get a better life, away from those 2 idiots.
 
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July 19, 2008, 9:03 am PDT

Living on a Prayer... and Coping Out!

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This is the kind of family that gives home schooling a bad rap.  It is not typical of how home school families live.  Most of us are very social and have all the comforts of modern life.  As far as it being "God's will" that they live like that ,as a Christian I can't understand why they would think that.  This is going to be an interesting show.

I personally don't think this is a reflection of typical home schooling. I DO, however, think that it's wise that they DO home school these children. Children are likely the cruelest creatures on earth, and the children of this family would be ridiculed horribly by their classmates.

 

I cannot tell you how unimpressed I am with university degrees. This is not the first time I've encountered a couple without an intelligent brain cell between them holding a university degree. There is a story that is perfect for people with this "belief". It's a bit lengthy, but well worth a read:

 

In a small village right by the ocean lived a man named Joseph. One day their came an enormous tidal wave. The entire village was flooded. The village people were making every effort to leave their homes for safety. Joe climbed up onto the roof of his house and sat there praying to God. One of his neighbours came by in a boat and yelled out to Joseph "Joe, come with us! We'll take you to safety!" Joe replied "Thank you, but I'm fine. God will take care of me."  An hour went by and another boat approaches. "Joe, come with us to safety!" shouted the captain of the boat. Again Joe responded with Thank you, but my God will look out for me. I have faith."  Some time later as the village was sinking deeper and deeper into  the ocean, the coast guard was passing by Joe's house and noticed him on the roof. They shouted to him "Don't worry Joe, we'll help you! We're throwing you this life raft so you can get to safety!" Once more Joe shouted with confidence "I have faith that God will provide for me. HE will save me, but thank you!" Moments later a helicopter flew overhead. They threw down a rope and said "Joe! Grab the rope! We'll take you to safety!" Again, Joe maintained with complete conviction "I'm okay. God will protect me. My faith is strong!" Soon all the rescuers were gone and all the other villagers taken to safety. Joe is still on the roof of his house, the floods almost consuming him. Finally Joe shouts out "God, why have you forsaken me? I have been a loyal and faithful follower all my life. Why now, in my hour of need have you abandoned me?" God replied "Joe, I've sent you 2 boats, a life raft, and a helicopter. What do you want from me?"

 

The moral of the story is that God helps those who help themselves. I have an incredibly strong faith and belief in God; and yes there have been times where I've been presented with more than one opportunity. Often I've prayed that God would put a big neon sign over the one He wants me to take... and yes, I've made costly mistakes. But I don't make the same mistake twice, and I don't sit back and "wait" for God to provide. I get a job. As at least one of these two needs to do. She is just as responsible as as he is. I think they're both plain lazy and using "God's will" as an excuse to justify their irresponsible behaviour.

 

What really makes me angry though, is that they'll come on a program like this where they are often generously offered a financial way out (I wasn't able to see the end of the program) and/or the sympathetic public will send them tens of thousands of dollars of support. Meanwhile people like myself have struggled for thirty years in dead end jobs fighting to make ends meet.... Maybe they do have the right idea and I'm the stupid one who's living wrong. I don't really believe that, but it makes you wonder.

 

 
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