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Topic : 07/18 The Cougar Craze

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Created on : Friday, April 25, 2008, 03:06:03 pm
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(Original Air Date 05/02/08) Demi Moore did it. So did Madonna and Halle Berry. This trend of older women dating younger men is called the Cougar Craze, and it’s sweeping the country. Recently, at a New York speed-dating event, Sugar Mamas and Boy Toys, good-looking 35-year-old men wooed women over 35 who made at least $500,000 a year. Jeremy organized the event and says he was just answering a demand from affluent ladies. Was he sincere in his matchmaking or just out to make a buck? Dr. Phil talks to two women who participated in the event -- Gail, 44, and Nancy, 50. Their experiences might surprise you. Then, 51-year-old Kat says she’s no cougar; she just likes to date younger guys because men her age are set in their ways. She says her 23-year-old ex-boyfriend, Ryon, was loving, passionate and had a much higher libido than older men. Her friend, Nancy, says Kat has a great head for business, but a bad one when it comes to the opposite sex. She says young men just see dollar signs when they see Kat. Is Kat dating down, or should Nancy just butt out? And, Bobbi had an 11-year relationship with a man who was 17 years her junior, but she says once she turned 50, he saw her as too old. She wants to be in a relationship again, but not with an older man. Her son, Nathan, says someone still wet behind the ears can’t appreciate all Bobbi has to offer. Does Nathan have the right to put his foot down with his mother? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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May 2, 2008, 8:44 am PDT

05/02 The Cougar Craze

I have been happily married for 25 yrs. to someone 13 yrs. younger.  He is brilliant, handsome and everything you want in a husband and father.  Now I'm looking older and when I feel down about it, his response is 'my character and devotion run much deeper than your wrinkles".  He is wonderful.  Primarily,   a marriage is what you make it.   Make each other happy and put each other FIRST,  after God.    Lots of Love.
 
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May 2, 2008, 8:46 am PDT

05/02 The Cougar Craze

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  I dated a cougar once when i was 30 and she was 40 and it was just like all the other woman I dated a nightmare. Cougars only date younger man to try to feel younger and to use the guy as a trophy. I would never date a older woman again. They need to make cougar pepper spray

Sounds as if you have trouble spotting a woman with character.  My husband is my trophy and I am his.
 
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May 2, 2008, 8:55 am PDT

Tired of this argument

I would have thought that in the year 2008 we would be a little more past this issue.  It's ok for men but not women?  What's with that?  Double standard as usual.  I have been married to a man who is 22 years younger than me.  I did not seek him out and did resist.  However, I have dated younger men in the past.  My reason for doing so is this:  the men my age wanted younger women; the men my age did not have the energy I have; the men my age did not want to do anything but sit home; the men my age are set in their ways.  Younger men have energy, like to do things, go places, are more open minded and have a better libido.  If you were to ask my husband why he likes being with an older woman he will tell you that younger women do not have the life experience and the understanding that older women have.  He thinks women his age are too uptight and worry too much about the little things.  We like the same things; food, hunting, camping, fishing, music, movies, etc.  It may not work for everyone, but it does work for some.  You have no guarantees with someone your own age or with someone older.  Give us "cougars" ( which I find that name offensive) a fricking break!
 
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May 2, 2008, 9:08 am PDT

05/02 The Cougar Craze

Let me correct this statement for you:  

   

"I have  a son who is dating a divorced woman who is 44 and he is 22 and she has 2 daughters one 23 and one 22. I don’t approve of this and am not involved in their relationship at all, but since I can’t understand it I am sure she must be using him. Even tho he is an adult, he just cannot realize this. I think she is pushing to get serious, and he has only known her for a few months. If I had a daughter, I would be just as controlling as I am with him and I would have a problem if I had a daughter 22 dating a 44 year old MAN! I realize women these days are having children later in life, and I also realize that the decision to have children or not is his but my son could never have a child with this woman but a girl 22 could have a child with an older man. It just reminds me of the teachers out there going after young boys for sex! It’s something I wouldn’t do, therefore it must be wrong! This would not be tolerated by a man teacher for 5 minutes but the womens movement thinks this is okay."  

   

You know, I am a 39 year old mother of 2 girls ages 16 and 10. I want nothing more for my children than for them to be happy in life. By the time your child is 10 years old, you have taught him or her everything that they will ever learn from you. When your child turns 18, they are an adult, free to take what they have learned, along with their own individual thoughts and desires, and set out in the world to live THEIR lives. Living their life will likely involve making decisions that go against what other people (even, GASP, their mommys!) think they should do. Whether those people are their friends, their parents or society, the fact that you have a child that will ignore other people’s wishes for what makes HIM happy is a great compliment to your parenting. Many parents out there have problems letting go and allowing their children to live their lives the way they want. You are one of those parents and I have to tell you that you are a selfish, controlling and manipulative person. He is an adult; he obviously sees something wonderful in this woman-something wonderful enough to tolerate your behavior and the behavior of his “friends” to be with her.  

   

As you might have guessed, I am in favor of older woman/younger man relationships. I am also in favor of older man/younger woman relationships. I am in favor of same gender relationships. I am in favor of heck, I guess you could just say I am in favor of relationships where 2 consenting adults have mutual feelings of affection towards each other that cause them to be HAPPY. In the end, it is their business, not yours. Even if you feel like you should have some say in your adult child’s life-get over it, you don't.
  

   

I have been with my fiancé for a little over a year now. He is 23. We are getting married in September. Fortunately we have the support of my family, most of his family sans his father who would get along great with you, and our friends. I didn’t chase him, he didn’t chase me-we met doing something we both mutually enjoy and hit it off. I can tell you, I have never been happier in my life that with this man. When we are together, there is no age difference, only joy at being with someone that we can truly call a soul mate.  

   

 “Bobbi” obviously didn’t have that great of a relationship with her significant other if he left her after 11 years because she was too old. I bet if you looked at their relationship you would have seen many other problems that would have shown you the warning signs that I mean who stays together 11 years without further commitment? That right there should show people there was obviously something lacking.  

   

Someone leaving his or her significant other can happen in any relationship-and does on a daily basis. Someone that would leave over how someone looks is also the same kind of person that would bail when any crises happens-If his or her s/o got terminally ill or was in an accident, etc. That doesn’t make ow/ym relationships a failure-it just goes into the statistics of people with no character or commitment.  

   

I am not certain if what you said about this woman pushing for commitment is true or if that is just your interpretation. But is she was 20 that would never happen, right? I mean those 20 year old girls never push for commitment, amirite? Either way, if it is true and your son is still with her, maybe that’s a thought that doesn’t bother him so much.
  

   

In the end, I hope that you and others like you will consider what I have said. Age is a number. By the way, what age difference IS acceptable? 3 years? 4? What if it's 3 and he meets someone wonderful 5 years older? Get real. Relationships are unique. What makes one person happy, would not necessarily make another happy, but in the end, unless its YOUR relationship, it really shouldn’t be any of your concern. I hope you wisen up before you lose your son from your life. Take joy in the fact that at least for now, he is with someone that makes him happy.
  

 
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May 2, 2008, 9:09 am PDT

Younger men are Initiating the relationships.

Everyone seems to think that it is the woman that is going after the young  guys, like the men go after the young women.  I have found that to be very untrue. Young guys are seeking out older women, and personally I would like to hear the guys take on this issue.  I like most of these women do like dating younger guys for the sames reasons they give, but when it gets down to the nitty gritty, when you and your daughter are sitting around with this prospective boyfriend, I have realized there is a very real difference in opinions, and most often what I perceive to be shallow and immature, both of them seem to connect and relate to...Thats when I see the BIG difference. If you don't have kids and you never see this, I would think that you would see it in a whole different light. I do believe that there are exceptions, and each situation is different. I would however really be careful, and  go in with eyes wide open.
 
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May 2, 2008, 9:16 am PDT

Totally untrue !!!

Quote From: wyomingdragon

  I dated a cougar once when i was 30 and she was 40 and it was just like all the other woman I dated a nightmare. Cougars only date younger man to try to feel younger and to use the guy as a trophy. I would never date a older woman again. They need to make cougar pepper spray

I have dated several much younger guys, but only because they pursued it so intently.  Hate to burst  your bubble, but I think most of the time it's the younger guy that is in hot pursuit.  This is written from experience.  There again I am sure there are exceptions.
 
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May 2, 2008, 9:31 am PDT

05/02 The Cougar Craze

Quote From: grumpysgirl

Until you walk in these shoes stop assuming. My fiance who is 21 years younger then me is a CHEF and makes more then I do...So no darling I am no sugar mama and I can tell you there are MANY younger men who are married and IN LOVE with older women...oh and FYI sure is not for the money

 

*rolls eyes* predjudice assumptions make me sick

The best relationship I EVER had was with a guy who was 12 years younger than I was!! We lived together for 8 years and then I broke it off because we began to go down different paths...he was going where I'd already been. But, I truly loved him....still do....always will....but it had to end. (and, like you, it sure wasn't for the money...on either side!!)

 

It sure was fun while it lasted, though, and if I could turn back time and do it all again, I would!

 
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May 2, 2008, 9:42 am PDT

05/02 The Cougar Craze

Quote From: manatee_44

I am married to a man 12 years younger than I am. We have been happily married for 34 years. We have a 31 year old son together. I am 64 yrs. old. My husband is 52 yrs. old. We are each other's best friend. We have alot of respect for each other. We have learned so much from each other over the years. We are SO grateful for our love.

I'm assuming then that you met him when you were 32 and he was 20? I was also 32 and the love of my life was 20 when we met. We were together 8 years...lived together. (We didn't have children together.) But, I got scared and broke it off even though we had a great life together. I was too afraid that as I got older he would not continue to see me the same way even though he insisted I was wrong.

 

Perhaps I shouldn't have been so hasty, huh.

 

I am now the same age as you and am still in love with this man........always will be. Too late for me, but I am happy to know you and your husband are still going strong after 34 years! I wish you continued happiness.

 

 
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May 2, 2008, 10:14 am PDT

05/02 The Cougar Craze

My opinion on all of this is....why live your life worrying about what other people want and don't want for you...whatever you choose to do in regards to whom you choose to be with is your business.  If you're a man wanting to be with a younger or older  woman, that is your choice from 18 yrs and up, and vice versa for a woman. As long as you are happy and enjoy together's company...that is all that matters. I am 43 and my husband is 26. We had it hard in the beginning due to people making negative comments, but my husband and I decided if they don't like it then "tough". They are the ones with the problem, not us. We've been together 7 yrs now.  Everyone seems to think he older than me or around the same age.  We don't care if they ask us about our age cause if they don't like it. They can go away. Its fine with us....we don't need them. We have our kids and eachother.  People are always going to judge...but we again don't really care about those types of people. Hopefully one day more people would just except it and live on....I guarantee I will.     

 
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May 2, 2008, 11:03 am PDT

WHY IS IT ALWAYS ABOUT YOU - REPEATED INFIDELITY

If you are with in a relationship with someone, you expect the relationship to grow and deepen over time; you expect a heart connection to be made and maintained.  You operate your life based on this expectation.  When your partner in the relationship does not or cannot make an emotional connection, the relationship becomes very painful.  Some of my favorite books that provide a great introduction and insight into personality types most capable of repeated infidelity are:

 


Why is it Always About You?  The Seven Deadly Sins of Narcissism by Sandy Hotchkiss AND Emotional Blackmail:  When the People in Your Life Use Fear, Obligation and Guilt to Manipulate You by Susan Forward

 

Malignant Self Love:  Narcissism Revisited by Sam Vaknin MAYBE The Professional Bachelors Dating Guide: How to Exploit Her Inner Psycho by Dr Brett Tate

 

Get Me Out of Here: My Recovery from Borderline Personality Disorder by Rachel Reiland OR Girl Interrupted by Susanna Kaysen OR Stop Walking on Eggshells: Taking Your Life Back...by Paul Mason and Randi Kreger

 

Love and Survival by Dean Ornish OR Healthy Boundaries Workbook: Using Dialectical Behavior Therapy Skills to Set and Maintain Better Boundaries by Deborah Deiboldt Legge

 

How to Journal for Therapy:

http://arar.essortment.com/therapyjournali_repu.htm

 

Healing Anxiety and Depression (7 types of anxiety and depression) by Daniel Amen and Lisa Routh OR Getting Help:  The Complete and Authoritative Guide to Self-Assessment and Treatment of Mental Health Problems by Jeffrey Wood


 

There are relationships, marriages and families that are so destructive the only option is for a person to get out.  Get out with the little bit of sanity you may have remaining. Make a promise to yourself to leave.  Leave so you can begin a life of healing and recovery.  Leave so you can learn to live a joyful, peaceful, trusting, supportive, and fulfilling life.

 

Hope it helps!

 

 

 
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