Topic : 05/06 Moochers

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Created on : Friday, May 02, 2008, 01:20:38 pm
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They drain your finances and try to take you for all you’ve got. No, it’s not the IRS, but family freeloaders! First up, when Ryan appeared on the show two years ago, he proudly wore the title King of All Moochers. His mother, Adele, was desperate to get him off the couch and out of her house. After the show, Adele took Dr. Phil’s advice and didn’t give Ryan one penny. But just when she thought her son was getting on his feet, she says Ryan was back to his old ways. She says he’s not contributing to the baby he has with his ex-girlfriend and is about to marry Tanya, a woman with a 5-year-old son, who is now pregnant with his child! Now that Ryan and Tanya have another baby on the way, Ryan says he’s serious about changing his mooching ways. Will he step up to the plate and be a father, or is Tanya just another victim of Ryan’s  freeloading lifestyle? Then, Stacey says her 42-year-old brother, Mark, is bleeding her dry. He lives in her basement and hasn’t paid rent in three months. Mark says he’s not a moocher, and it’s not his fault he doesn’t have a job -- he’s just not a morning person. Stacey says her mother, Nell, is a big enabler when it comes to Mark, but is Stacey just as guilty? Will Mark hear the wake-up call before he finds himself on the streets? Tell us what you think.

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May 10, 2008, 10:43 am PDT

RE: moochers

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Hello,

 

I have been vicitmized by moochers and I watch my mother in law support her 54 yr old son that has never left home.  They all have some common factors.  Somehow they think that life for them must feel good or they quit.  Jobs are only kept until a boss requires normal effort, then they quit and tell family the same story of being treated badly.  They all have a long list of jobs where they were treated badly.  The enablers that support their lazy backsides buy into their story.  The moocher is well aware of what buttons to push and they like "guilt" and "fear."  Those that love the moocher think that helping them will result in getting them to be responsible independant people.  The problem is that moochers do not learn life skills when someone is standing between them and the sting of real life.  In my opinion those character types that mooch should be given tough love.  In order to function in life your "sword" needs to be sharp, and the only way to get sharp is to spend some time getting ground by the wheel.  Because death is a part of life, it is absolutely tragic for a moocher to be thrust into the working world with no life skills, and at an age when others are retiring.  Moocher enablers are setting them up for potential poverty and dispair by not requiring them to get on their feet before their meal ticket leaves this earth.  If we truly love those that mooch off of us, we need to treat them like children.  Make a clear demand of them, and if they hurt themselves to get your money then you need to say "wow that must hurt, you better fix that."  Moochers that wave their children in front of them as a way of getting money are the bottom of the barrell.  That is a nightmare if you ask me.  Good old fashion values are needed.  Moochers that get pregnant should be given some really hard facts about the cost of life........they have no right to reproduce and expect society to carry them and their kids.  Once again tough love is in order.  Cut the bank to a moocher and when they are done pitching the inevitable fit, they will get any job that comes along, and look at it this way - the anger that they have at the enabler might inspire them to achieve more than they ever did before.  Just my thoughts.

 A moocher is  created by others who allow it to be so:
 
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May 11, 2008, 9:02 am PDT

05/06 Moochers

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We really never heard the entire story with the first girlfriend...what I am getting at, is the fact that he wasn't there during the pregnancy with her for whatever reasons...it could have been that she had kicked him out right after she found out that she was PG. It's hard to bond with a baby when you are told to get out of their life.  Now with this second one he is there for her and wants to be a part of the baby's life and who knows...he might then realize what he is missing by not being there for his first child.  What he did the first time was totally wrong, I am not making excuses for him....but we do learn from our mistakes and everyone deserves a second chance. They are obviously are in love and want this to work...why is Dr. Phil telling them to not even give it a chance??? So that would mean another fatherless baby in the world.

OMG did you watch the  show? his daugher live in his mothers home, how hard is it to go see your child when they live where you grow up, and you are welcomed there.and how hard is it to send monies to the address you learned in grammer school, NO sorry, he just moved on to the newest sucker that would take him , he cheated on her already!!!! history repeating it self.

 

 As long as people like you make excuses for men like Ryan, they will be happy to sit on the couch and let you take care of them.

 
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May 11, 2008, 10:49 am PDT

moochers

The parents are the ones to blame for their children being moochers, they give them everything, and do  not make them responsible adults. I have 3 grown children-my youngest is 31. My children were given the necessary things that they needed, if they wanted something that I couldn't afford, I would tell them, that they had to EARN IT.  They were taught that money did not grow on tress,that we had to work hard for what we had, we encouraged them to finish school, so that they can afford the finer things in life, we also taught them, that people did not respect moochers.

 

It is up to the parents to be tough, heck if I was given everything I wanted without having to lift a finger, why would I work? I don't blame the moochers, I blame the dumb people that are supporting them.

 

I would give him a time frame,and let him know if you  haven't found a job by this time, your personal belongings will be on the street, these are not children, but adults that CAN fend for themselves.

 

And while staying with you, they have to help around the house with chores, and they can just bring their friends over with out asking first. So again, I do not feel sorry for these people, get a backbone and do what's right.

 
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May 12, 2008, 8:37 pm PDT

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OMG did you watch the  show? his daugher live in his mothers home, how hard is it to go see your child when they live where you grow up, and you are welcomed there.and how hard is it to send monies to the address you learned in grammer school, NO sorry, he just moved on to the newest sucker that would take him , he cheated on her already!!!! history repeating it self.

 

 As long as people like you make excuses for men like Ryan, they will be happy to sit on the couch and let you take care of them.

Here are some "what ifs" to consider: (Not excuses)

 

First, what if, the WHOLE story was not told on this show?

 

What if, Ryan and the baby's mother lived together throughout the pregnancy and until the baby was two months old?

 

What if, that is when Ryan's mother and the mother of his baby moved into a house together and Ryan was not allowed to move in with them?

 

What if, the mother of Ryan's baby was the one that refused to work on their relationship?

 

What if, the mother of Ryan's baby received way more support than she claimed?

 

What if, the mother of Ryan's baby is "MOOCHING?"

 

What if, Ryan is not allowed or welcome to visit his mother and/or brother without the permisson of the mother of his baby?

 

What if, Ryan was not even allowed to see his mother on "Mother's Day." 

 

What if, the mother of Ryan's baby is determined to do everything she can to keep him from having a relationship with his daughter?

 

What if, the mother of Ryan's baby is doing everything she can to turn all of Ryan's family against him?

 

What if, Ryan has NOT cheated on the woman he is with now?

 

Would you sill evaluate the story in the same way?

 

And, finally........

 

What if, nobody ever got a second chance?

 

 

 

 
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May 14, 2008, 5:50 am PDT

05/06 Moochers

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Here are some "what ifs" to consider: (Not excuses)

 

First, what if, the WHOLE story was not told on this show?

 

What if, Ryan and the baby's mother lived together throughout the pregnancy and until the baby was two months old?

 

What if, that is when Ryan's mother and the mother of his baby moved into a house together and Ryan was not allowed to move in with them?

 

What if, the mother of Ryan's baby was the one that refused to work on their relationship?

 

What if, the mother of Ryan's baby received way more support than she claimed?

 

What if, the mother of Ryan's baby is "MOOCHING?"

 

What if, Ryan is not allowed or welcome to visit his mother and/or brother without the permisson of the mother of his baby?

 

What if, Ryan was not even allowed to see his mother on "Mother's Day." 

 

What if, the mother of Ryan's baby is determined to do everything she can to keep him from having a relationship with his daughter?

 

What if, the mother of Ryan's baby is doing everything she can to turn all of Ryan's family against him?

 

What if, Ryan has NOT cheated on the woman he is with now?

 

Would you sill evaluate the story in the same way?

 

And, finally........

 

What if, nobody ever got a second chance?

 

 

 

What if everything was true about Ryan, wait thats not a what if, when Ryan said so himself!!!!!!! Ryan did cheat on his new babys mamma,  Ryan is not taking care of his daughter didn't even bother to show up in court and lied about it why he didn't, and the old babys mamma is paying rent in Ryans mothers home.

 

and heres the biggest what if : what if people like you didn't make excuses for Ryan, and stopped holding his hand and let him walk like a MAN.

 
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May 24, 2008, 12:41 pm PDT

oh boy

i got 3 daugther!  one of them i pay childsupport!  all the ex has to do is get it ordered and he will mooch no more!   trust me!!   i pay 463.00 a month for my oldest,  and still have to take care of my other 2 children!  i live check to check but bills are payed and the children have what they need!  and i dont even get to see my oldest daugther  but i still pay my childsupport!
 

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