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Topic : 05/20 The Dr. Phil House: Brat Camp

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Created on : Friday, May 16, 2008, 02:20:59 pm
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Have you got a whiny, crying, tantrum-throwing, feet-stomping, door-slamming, spoiled or entitled child? When you ask your child to clean up his or her room does World War III break out? Have you ever thought, Who is running this house, me or my 9-year-old? Four families who say their kids are out of control move out of their madhouse and into The Dr. Phil House. This is no summer camp … it’s Brat Camp! Skylin and Robert are newlyweds with a blended family of five kids. Robert’s two boys, Andrew, 12, and Micah, 8, constantly torment their new sister, Kaitlyn, 8, which causes yelling, crying, screaming and chaos. Helen and Tony recently divorced, but one thing they agree on is that their 9-year-old son, Ethan, lies, steals, cheats and bullies other kids. Lisa says her teen daughter, Haley, is spoiled and unappreciative. Wendy is a single mom who lost her daughter two years ago to brain cancer, and now her 10-year-old son, Noah’s, behavior has spiraled out of control. Are you in a constant battle with your child? It’s time to step up, take back control and create a happy, healthy and peaceful family. Talk about the show here.

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May 20, 2008, 4:55 pm PDT

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Come on People!!! This child will be grown in 8 years. But he's just 10, He has more years toward being an adult. Ex: If he was 7 , then yea hes closer to being a baby, BUT HE IS 10!!!!! He will be GROWN in 8 years, I wouldn't allow my 10 year old boy to slap me, Then by not doing anything about it, you are teaching it's okay TO HIT WOMEN, AND SECOND, Your showing him he has the upper hand, and your afraid of him, I would have slapped him right back!! And furthermore, children who say" I'm going to call the CPS if you hit me" I got news for you people, I would pack their bags for them and call myself. If I can't discipline my children then they can just go live with the CPS!!!!!!!!
AMEN! Actually, I don't believe in corporal punishment, but I do believe in parental rights.  Parents have the right to discipline. 
 
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May 20, 2008, 4:55 pm PDT

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I think it is you who is losing sight that it is a 10 year old boy who needs help, and defending  or justifying his bad behavior is not helping him. get help for yourself and stop projecting your anger on the mother of Noah!!!! She is there looking for help for herself and her son. Time for you to grow up and do the same for yourself, for you can live a life without hate and spewing your anger towards your parents onto others!!!!!

calling a spade a spade ... you like that word "spew" don't you?
 
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May 20, 2008, 4:58 pm PDT

take heart: i was one of those kids

I see myself there, 15, 20 years ago. Several of them are clearly very intelligent and mature--and full of a lot of anger and pain. Being able to express in words often isn't enough.

I wish these families the best of healing, but for any of you out there dealing with angry, violent kids, who feel like it's only going to get worse at school and socially and at home... it doesn't have to.

Every teacher and counselor and psychologist who talked to me was convinced I'd end up pregnant and/or on drugs and a high school drop out because of my anger issues. I can't say what changed--maybe it was a maturity thing, but once I hit 7th grade, i started to mellow out. I was, quite honestly, a boring teenager.

Fast-forward 10 years, and I'm starting my PhD this fall. I'm a successfully published author and happily married. Life is not without its lumps, but I turned out far happier and more stable than anyone could have imagined.

The real problem as a child, I think, is that no one believed in me except me.
 
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May 20, 2008, 4:58 pm PDT

05/20 The Dr. Phil House: Brat Camp

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Come on people!!!!  All of you who are feeling bad for Noah need to take a look back at this tape this kid is eying the camera the whole time..... He was getting worked up for the camera, that mother wasn't egging him on he was egging himself on so he could put on a show...... I mean are you kidding me "I just need another home to go to.... In other words I am looking for attention and sympathy..... I am not saying he doesn't have any reason to be upset ... I am sure life isn't easy but life never is.... and she isn't abusing him they just need help and I think they will get.
Right on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this kid is such a con artist he should try out for the road show of the Sting. If that brat slapped me he would get the wake up call of his life. Thats why he is doing this the mother is afraid of him and he knows it. You notice when Dr. Phil wouldnt play along with his little bratty game he stopped right quick. He is an attention hog and I believe was playing to the camera as well. The joke is on him though because after this show airs he wont be able to scam anyone anymore. One last thing, why does the mother argue with him? she should tell him to do it and get it done. If he elbowed me on a plane and told people I abused him he would be sorry for that ridiculous stunt. Get a backbone, Mom. Why do these parents all try to be friends with their kid???????? its ludacris.
 
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May 20, 2008, 4:59 pm PDT

Show of bullies

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I agree that Noah is a magnificant actor. Like some others said, I'm sure he's learned this behavior from Mom. But he's so out of control he needs to be taken to task for his behavior & it doesn't much matter anymore how he got there. This kid is a master manipulator. What's shocking is how good he is at it at such a young age. Noah likely has been abused. Most bullies are. He's well on his way to becoming an abuser himself unless somebody pulls him up short.
I recall a show Dr. Phil did on bullies.  The experts said that it was a false belief that bullies were comprised of children with low self esteems.  In fact, the kids on the panel agreed that they had high self esteems.  They bullied because they felt entitled to...they could get away with it.  I was really shocked to learn this perspective on bullying.
 
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May 20, 2008, 4:59 pm PDT

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he was looking his mother in the eye the whole time.. are you all kid  haters or what?
He did check out the camera several times...I saw that. (Nothing unusual about that...he's 10.) and it doesn't alter the fact that this is a terrible situation that will need a whole lot of therapy for all involved!! 
 
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May 20, 2008, 5:01 pm PDT

kids & depression

be sure to have your angry child evaluated by a psychiatrist with a Good reputation. I was raised by a father with manias & depressions. He is better now, in his 80s, on meds. But for years, he'd get fits of anger, hit us, tell us to kill ourselves etc.  Often, depression shows up as anger. The boy who hit his Mom acts like I used to when I was in a depression. I never acted like that towards my parents, I'd have been quite literally beaten half to death. But I would rage outdoors & scream & scream into my pillow at night. In my mid-40s, I finally got good meds & therapy for all the problems from my childhood but it took me decades to realize something was really wrong with me.  My parents & I have worked on becoming friends since I was 25. From age 18-25, I stayed away from home due to Dad's furies & Mom standing there, letting him beat my brother & me. Kids' anger comes from somewhere--whether it's divorce, death of a sibling or parent, or brain dysfunction.  I believe my father's & my manic-depression is genetic.  His mother had the same fits of anger.  All 3 of us are generally popular, upbeat, highly achieving people.  I have faith that these kids can be turned around.  But they need more than discipline & certainly NOT tough love.  That is a damaging idea.  Consequences yes---taking away their favorite things, whether it's books (my favorite as a kid) or video games or whatever.  But never yelling or hitting your kid.  Never theats to have them sent to jail or juvenile detention. That passes anger on & that damaged kid grows up to be a bully & a mean parent.  Parents need Time Outs, too.  Just walk away from an argument & do not get engaged in it.  Tell the kid "Mom needs some time alone, we can talk about this when we are both calmed down."  But again, I URGE all parents to take their angry or bullying child to a psychiatrist who can prescribe the proper medications & give good talk/play therapy. My life would've been So much better had my parents admitted I needed help at age 7!  The stigma of mental illness is so bad that kids would rather kill themselves than admit they need help.  Often, parents don't realize anger is depression until it's far too later & the kid goes on drugs/alcohol or worse, kills him/herself.  God bless you all.  I chose not to have kids for fear of being like my father.
 
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May 20, 2008, 5:04 pm PDT

Since you are being nice this time.

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so do you deal with your daughter like she's 13 since she is considered so highly intelligent?

Since you are asking politely, and not attacking me as a parent anymore, I will answer you. 

 

Actually, I treat her with the same respect as an adult, but with the understanding that she is only 4 years old. 

 

I ask that in the future you don't ask question about my family. Thank you.

 

 

 
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May 20, 2008, 5:09 pm PDT

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These out-of-control little monsters need WAY more than "brat camp"! Some serious psychological testing and therapy has got to be put into play here...I hope when all is said and done, that Dr. Phil does make that available.

 

And, by the way, parents, these kids didn't become like this overnight! They are a perfect example of over-indulged, spoiled, undisciplined messes that YOU made!

 

You thought they were cute when they misbehaved at a young age; you probably laughed when they hit you or threw tantrums then, huh. Not so funny now, is it! You can't allow them to act like fools when they are young, and then suddenly turn on the discipline switch when they are older and are truly off the hook.......what did you expect?

 

These kids are extremely intelligent.....and cunning....and extremely angry.....a dangerous and explosive combination when you add no discipline ever to that mix! Can you say patricide?

 

This is what you get when you are self-absorbed and lazy parents! It shouldn't be any surprise to you.

 
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May 20, 2008, 5:13 pm PDT

emotional development

Just because a child is highly intelligent past their  years does not mean they are as emotionally developed.  Treating a ten year old like an adult just because he is smart could be severly damaging.  That's like treating a teenage girl like she's older just because she has physically developed early.  It is just wrong.  I am all for discipline.  But there is a way to do it without robbing the child of their dignity if it is done consistently and with mutual respect. Wendy has not as of yet been able to grasp this concept.  I am certain she has slapped or pushed Noah. Otherwise there is no way he would even dare.  It must have been significant too.  My mother slapped and pushed me. I never did it back. I got older and stronger and one day when she was about to do it, I told her I would think carefully if I were her before she hit me.  She never did it again.  Noah's mother touched him in an abusive enough manner enough times to teach him "well, this must be the way to get people's attention, this is the way my mother does it"

 
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