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Have you got a whiny, crying, tantrum-throwing, feet-stomping, door-slamming, spoiled or entitled child? When you ask your child to clean up his or her room does World War III break out? Have you ever thought, Who is running this house, me or my 9-year-old? Four families who say their kids are out of control move out of their madhouse and into The Dr. Phil House. This is no summer camp … it’s Brat Camp! Skylin and Robert are newlyweds with a blended family of five kids. Robert’s two boys, Andrew, 12, and Micah, 8, constantly torment their new sister, Kaitlyn, 8, which causes yelling, crying, screaming and chaos. Helen and Tony recently divorced, but one thing they agree on is that their 9-year-old son, Ethan, lies, steals, cheats and bullies other kids. Lisa says her teen daughter, Haley, is spoiled and unappreciative. Wendy is a single mom who lost her daughter two years ago to brain cancer, and now her 10-year-old son, Noah’s, behavior has spiraled out of control. Are you in a constant battle with your child? It’s time to step up, take back control and create a happy, healthy and peaceful family. Talk about the show here.

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May 20, 2008, 4:12 pm PDT

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Obviously you missed the part where he has lied to child protective service by telling them that his mother has physically abused him. You also must have missed the part where she reminded him that she was cleared by CPS. What we have here is a child who minimizes his actions and magnifies his mother's actions by many fold. Dr. Phil has recognized this child as a liar. he using lies as a means to control. By shutting Noah down, Dr. Phil is trying to make it clear to him that he cannot be manipulated by lies. There is plenty of blame to go around, but do not place all the balme at the mother's doorstep. Kids like Noah are masters of manipulation and use everything at hand to make life hell for those around him. He is a sociopath in the making. Glad he isn't my kid.

His mother said he lied, not him.   CPS has cleared many abusers.  Abuse can be difficult to prove and can easily turn into a he said she said.    I don't think Noah lied.  I think most of his mothers physical rebuttals are heavy handed, therefore he sees the majority of them as *hits*.    I don't think he's trying to control, I think he just wants to be heard.   I'm a bit surprised Dr Phil could not desipher what Noah really meant.   Noah's master manipulations are only as good as his *teacher's*.  

 

 

Sociopaths are created by their parents.  Whether deliberately or inadvertantly.  

 
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May 20, 2008, 4:12 pm PDT

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Child services is lying, against Noah that the claim about abuse was false, School is lying against Noah, everyone is lying but Noah!!!!

A child crying out for attention wouldn't lie??  lol

 

I'm sure the Doc. got the report from child services, and looked into it, and I'm sure thats why he took the path he did with the child because of it, and all the reports from school too.

 

I think you need to reread your post, you accuse the mother of abuse many times!!!

I do accuse her of abuse, emotional abuse. I even said in one of them back there, go find it if you care enough. That I don't know if she is physically abusing him. But to me, emotional abuse isn't acceptable either. Maybe you and I just have different standards of what is an 'okay' way to treat human beings.
 
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May 20, 2008, 4:13 pm PDT

Absolutely!

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I think it's sick the way that everyone is just believing what Dr. Phil says. Normally I agree with him, but not on this matter. Dr. Phil first stated that he lied, first off. For one the kid is more than likely nervous, I know I would be, he's only 10. And for the next matter, that is the same tactic my father would do, he would state that I didn't know what I was talking about to try and confuse me and think that I made it up. Plus, the lie wasn't even a lie, Dr. Phil was stating that 'hitting' and 'elbowing' were different, but it's pretty much the same form of abuse. "Elbowing" in my eyes is the same as "Hitting". It's not a lie just because he used the word "hit" instead, and I find it sad that so many adults can't see that adults have faults and can lie. Just because you're a child doesn't mean you're instantaneously wrong.
Like myself you sound like the offspring of a great invalidator, much like "roaring readhed." Her poor little girl.
 
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May 20, 2008, 4:14 pm PDT

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Wow! You had sex and got pregnant.  Wonders never cease!
Sorry I don't understand your response.  Can you elaborate?
 
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May 20, 2008, 4:15 pm PDT

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I do believe that most  children that are abused by their parents don't get help. So many people turn the other way and pretend it's not happening, just because we don't have a definite line of "What is abuse, and what is not."

I do not agree with his mother at all though. I do understand that it would be one of the hardest things to deal with the death of a child (even though, I've never been through it), but she still has another child that she has to be strong for and protect. You would think that it would make her want her and her son to have a great relationship even more. She has even agreed that she hasn't been there for him since her daughter died. So, yeah, I am agreeing with you, that I am sick of hearing about people that say she hasn't done anything wrong, because she even admitted to it.

 I am sorry for the families loss, and grieving takes on many faces.  I find it a problem that both the mother and Noah have just chosse not to take responsability for their actions.  I agree with others when they say that young man would be picking himself off the floor if he was my son, I have to hand her credit that she did not react to his his physical attack.  The boy is a liar, but I think he is trying to get help the only way he knows how.  I dont think she has been physically abusive, she is too checked out to put that much energy into him.  She has been emotionally abusive by not being there for him in his time of need.  I am sure he is hurting also by the death of his sister.  Where is his Dad why isn't he stepping in to help fix the situation?  It is a sad situation.
 
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May 20, 2008, 4:16 pm PDT

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It was rehearsed people!  Noah's rehearsed this in his head for weeks. That's what manipulation is.  The Dr. Phil show is his debut to the world.  He is a magnificant actor. 
Sorry,  I just see a child in pain.
 
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May 20, 2008, 4:16 pm PDT

Absolutely!

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Dr. Phil called Noah a lier because he did lie about being hit on the plane.  He was nudged with an elbow but not hit.  That is the only thing he was accused of lieing about.  Is the kid a brat??? YES.....but has that bratness come from the fact that his mother has been nonexistant since his sister died.  Yes his sister dieing was a horrible thing, but mom needs to lighten up and love her remaining child before it's too late for both of them.  Again did Noah lie....yes about being hit on the plane and that is the only thing Dr. Phil accused him of lieing about.

Dr. Phil must have forgotten he was dealing with a 10-year-old child, and thought for a minute he was reaming out one of the "bad men" he likes to go after.

Poor Noah! He's desperate for what all children need- a loving home and parent. He lost out there.

I've lost a child, and it doesn't make you hate and abuse your other child, but makes them even more precious.

Noah deserves better than his bad mom's abuse, and Dr. Phil's name calling.
 
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May 20, 2008, 4:16 pm PDT

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Emotional abuse is not ok, she has check out of life, and checkout of his too,  But i have to say losing a child would be hard not to check out,

 

Noah is a drama king, that is how he gets the attention he doesn't get at home, he needs help!!! and so does his mother. They both have suffered enough, time to heal!!!!

I think some of  you are losing sight of the fact that he is only 10.
 
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May 20, 2008, 4:19 pm PDT

Mainstream Culture?

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Oh ya like all 10 yr old kids are as manipulative as adults...please you should listen to the kids instead of listening to Dr. Phil.  Dr. Phil is not even listening carefully himself and asking three times that confirmed Noah was not lying. He was speaking the truth, maybe the wrong word but his mom did hit him or whatever you call it. The mom did the same thing as Noah she doesnt want to listen when he said it was annoying him when the music was so loud. No justification on hitting mom yes true but look for the real source here. Where did he learn it from?

Mom "checked out" years ago, right.  Did you ever think he learned it from mainstream culture.  It doesn't look like the boys exercising, maybe t.v. is the culprit, or video games, or friends, or pretty much anything else.  We don't live in a tunnel do we?
 
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May 20, 2008, 4:20 pm PDT

Truth be told.

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His mother said he lied, not him.   CPS has cleared many abusers.  Abuse can be difficult to prove and can easily turn into a he said she said.    I don't think Noah lied.  I think most of his mothers physical rebuttals are heavy handed, therefore he sees the majority of them as *hits*.    I don't think he's trying to control, I think he just wants to be heard.   I'm a bit surprised Dr Phil could not desipher what Noah really meant.   Noah's master manipulations are only as good as his *teacher's*.  

 

 

Sociopaths are created by their parents.  Whether deliberately or inadvertantly.  

I completely agree with you on this. Abuse is a very difficult thing to prove, and it has and can get passed over by many many people.
 
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