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Created on : Friday, September 12, 2008, 01:20:40 pm
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(Original Air Date: 09/18/08) Could you be guilty of abusing your child and not know it? Where are the boundaries when it comes to parenting? Treffly is a mom of three who never thought she would be accused of breaking the law. But that's exactly what happened when she left her daughter in the car to do an errand just 30 feet away. Treffly's case sparked a flurry of opinions and heated debates across the country. People in the community and a criminal defense attorney weigh in. And find out what Dr. Phil thinks about Treffly's encounter with the law. Then, Lynn says her biggest regret is leaving her daughter alone the night the 13-year-old died. Find out how a false allegation landed her behind bars. Her conviction was overturned, and Lynn became the first woman in U.S. history to be cleared by DNA evidence. Hear how the truth came to light and what life has been like since she was released from prison. And, hear about Lynn's son, Ed's, experience growing up in foster care as a result of his mother's incarceration. What can mother and son do to rebuild their bond? Find out what you can do to improve the lives of children in the foster care system. Plus, don't miss the steps you need to take if you're wrongly accused of a crime. Join the discussion.

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September 18, 2008, 4:01 pm PDT

social services

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       I live in a county where the foster care is a joke. I was a foster parent for a period of 5 months. I quit because of all the problems. I would go to pick the child up from school and she would be gone because they would change the visitation without letting me know. I also had a situation where I did not pick up the child because I had been told there was a scheduled visit and they changed it and did not notify me. I never received any money and did not do this for money. The situation was a relative and this was done out of love. There is also a case going on here where as in todays show 2 children have been put in foster care that have a grandmother who is fighting for them as well as other relitives. This is happening because of a judge we have who constanly shows poor judgement. Judges do have all the power in a custody case. I have totally lost all faith in the justice system and the ablity to put the best intrest of the children first.

 

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you must have been one of the good foster parents but  my nieces were mental phically and sexually abused in foster care and these were homes that were aproved by the state they nhad been moved so many times and accused of thing like a 5 and 3 year old breaking a hot water heater and flooding a basement but with no burns on them if any ypoung child did that they would have some sort of injury  right and we had been told of the younger one 3 was found outside naked on a swing set at 6 am where were her foster parents at during these things
 
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September 18, 2008, 4:03 pm PDT

Is it the LAW?

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BOTTOMLINE PEOPLE,IT'S THE LAW.  THE LAW WAS PASSED FOR A REASON, TO INSURE THE SAFETY AND PROTECTION OF CHILDREN.  WHETHER OR NOT IT'S AN INCONVENIENCE  THE PARENTS SHOULD NOT BE THE ISSUE  SOME PEOPLE DO NOT AGREE WITH THE SEAT BELT LAW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT NECESSARY.  OUR CHILDREN ARE PRECIOUS AND SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS SUCH. IF YOU ARE FINDING IT DIFFICULT TO MANUEVER WITH MULTIPLE CHILDREN, THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULD'VE CONSIDERED THAT BEFORE HAND.
What exactly is the law? Dr. Phil read the definition of abuse and neglect, and it didn't say anything about leaving a child in the car, no reference to cars at all. Do you think that woman doesn't care about her child, really?
 
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September 18, 2008, 4:03 pm PDT

09/18 Parents Falsely Accused?

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One thing we must remember is that situations are very rarely as black and white as they sometimes seem to be.  When parenting, we are consistently faced with situations that require us to critically evaluate them and then make a decision.  Leaving a child for a mere 30 steps while they are in plain view is NOT abuse and I would question any parent that indicates they would wake a sleeping child in foul weather to walk a mere 30 steps. 

 

I myself have left my child in similar situations and while they are in no harm/danger, my father in law posed a question/situation that I had not thought of.  what if , for example, I was in the post office with a sleeping child in my vehicle which was in clear view and I had a sudden medical emergency or passed out and required the services of an ambulance and no one knew the whole time that I had a child in a vehicle?  How long would it take for that child to be discovered and what could possibly happen to that child during that time?  This could be a real possibility for all of us who may leave our children for very brief periods even when we can see them/the vehicle.

That is a good point, but you can think of "what if" situations to the point you'd be too scared to ever have a child in your care period. What if you had a heart attack or pulmonary embolism while driving your car in traffic with your kids in the back seat? Or you hit a bit of black ice and skid into the wrong path? Jeez, too bad for your kids, all of you die. A tragic accident happened in New Brunswick, Canada recently when a passenger van of high school basketball players on a two-lane road suddenly swerved into the path of a semitruck. Sadly, many of the people died, but the province didn't ban kids from being transported to play sports (although there some discussion of which vehicles might be safer than others).

 

Your "what if" scenario didn't even apply to Treffly's situation. If she'd gotten cardiac arrest, her older kids would've remembered their baby sister.

 
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September 18, 2008, 4:03 pm PDT

WAS I a child abuser?

  As a former church goer of 20 years to Christian Fundamentalist churches here in the Province of Quebec I on countless occasions allowed child abuse to go on by neglecting the children who were put in danger by their "Christian  parents" as defined on this program. These God fearing parents would get their kids up and stuff them in the car to go to Sunday morning church service on wintery Sunday mornings in blizzard like conditions with next to 0% visibility on ice covered roads. Today after being away from Church for several years I now see that this was/is child endangerment. I went to this same church I attended last a couple of months ago and afterwards talked with an elder who had not attended about this matter on the same sunny SUMMER afternoon. The reason he gave was that it was important not to forsake the  gathering  of the assembly. Yet he forsook the gathering of the assembly on this SUNNY SUMMER SUNDAY MORNING because there was another elder present.

 This is an assembly that puts "family values" first and the Bible second. Family Values is defined as kidfriendly places to attend and kid friendly activities to engage in. The second part of this definition is annulled by such a trip to the Church building on a winter Sunday morning under such meteorological conditions in the family car so as to not be accussed of not partaking in the gathering of the assembly which is apparrently permitted on SUNNY SUMMER Sunday mornings! And on those wintery Sunday mornings when I saw such happenning despite the extreme danger in driving in such meteorological conditions defined above I neglected those kids by not reporting the parents to the youth protection agency who put their children's ("gifts from God" for those Christians reading this) lives in danger. The pastor did not care much. I brought it to his attention once but he was not concerned...maybe because the music worship would have to be abandonned on this occasion!

   As for me I have always been single so no kids to consider. So when I went I was the only one at risk and I used public transportation.

   I could take solace in the fact that Dr Phil has said that I don't have a say as to what other parents do with their kids. But this runs against the definition given on the show for Child abuse. And if Dr Phil is right  than he has no right to host shows telling  parents to not spank there children because HE has no say in what other parents do to raise their children.

   In Quebec here, The youth protection agency has confirmed that it is legal to spank children in accordance to the law allowing for spanking.....but excessive force when in the act of spanking is illegal just as is driving to church in abovementionned weather conditions during the winter months could warrant an investigation of child abuse by endangering children's lives for no legitimate reason. I am now hurt by my own neglect of what was happenning to these kids. GOTTA go to church no matter what but don't spank the darlings.

 PS: I would not feel totally secure in public schools today. When I was in school the strap existed and was administerred as needed by the principal. Today it is not there and kids come to school with knives and guns to settle accounts or for protection because the strap is not there. But that does not render ME not guilty of child abuse as defined on the program . Does it? I did nothing and said nothing against those parents driving with kids in dangerous winter weather conditions to church and putting their lives at risk.           

 
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September 18, 2008, 4:04 pm PDT

Valuables

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We had a case here in the KC area where a mother left her son in the car just to get something to drink.  Not only did she leave him in the car, but she left the car running (it was cold outside).  The car was stolen and she tried to get her kid out of the car seat, he was dragged to his death.  This woman was not charged at all.  I know it probably sounds very cold hearted, and people will say she has suffered enough, but not as much as her son.  She should have been charged.  It is against the law to leave your child in the car alone. 

 

I wish I could remember who put it this way, but I really like it.  Let's see how much your child is worth to you.  Would you leave a $1000 bill in the car?  No.  How about a $100 dollar bill?  No.  How about a $50 dollar bill? No.  How about a $20 dollar bill?  No.  And so on and so on. You wouldn't leave a $20 dollar bill, but you would your child. So your child isn't worth $20.00.  I never left my child in the car, no matter how difficult it was to take him out and put in back, or no matter how close it was.

 

Some mistakes you only get to make once.

 

I leave plenty of valuables in the car. And for other people, leaving the car running is smart but lock the doors and keep a spare key or automatic door opener with you. Even better to have an automatic starter so you don't have to leave any keys in the car.
 
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September 18, 2008, 4:04 pm PDT

30 Feet

I just want to say that Dr. Phil seemed to think that 30 feet was close enough to the car to prevent anything from happening to the child.  It's just not true.  If someone got into her car and drove off, how could she haver prevented that just because she was "close enough" to see the car?  Whatever she had to do could have waited for a better time.  She was wrong.  I don't know about being arrested, but she was definitely wrong.  I can remember being in similar situations when my children were babies and, if I really had to do something, then I had to bring them with me.  Otherwise, I would do it at another time.  Maybe she shouldn't have been arrested, but she definitely needs to understand that she is wrong and so does her husband.  If someone drove off with her babies in the car, she would be screaming and crying.  Maybe not so indignant.
 
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September 18, 2008, 4:05 pm PDT

09/18 Parents Falsely Accused?

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Some people have talked about kids having been left in cars and died as a result. Speaking about this one woman's situation, she left her child in the car a mere 30 feet away and was able to see her child and was able to get to her child in a moments notice. She was clearly, in my mind, being a good parent by keeping her child's best interest in mind. Her child was asleep and it was very cold outside and she was only mere feet away. If she had gone inside the store and went shopping or something more outrageous like that, then she should have been arrested and had her children taken away, however, that is not what she did. I have left my children in the car before to do things such as drop mail in the mailbox or to check that I locked the door, however, I would never leave my children in the car to do anything where they would not be in my sight or would take longer than a few seconds. Every case should be looked at individually because some cross the line while other do not.
Exactly right. You must use common sense, especially if you're a parent!
 
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September 18, 2008, 4:07 pm PDT

law shmaw

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BOTTOMLINE PEOPLE,IT'S THE LAW.  THE LAW WAS PASSED FOR A REASON, TO INSURE THE SAFETY AND PROTECTION OF CHILDREN.  WHETHER OR NOT IT'S AN INCONVENIENCE  THE PARENTS SHOULD NOT BE THE ISSUE  SOME PEOPLE DO NOT AGREE WITH THE SEAT BELT LAW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT NECESSARY.  OUR CHILDREN ARE PRECIOUS AND SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS SUCH. IF YOU ARE FINDING IT DIFFICULT TO MANUEVER WITH MULTIPLE CHILDREN, THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULD'VE CONSIDERED THAT BEFORE HAND.
The law says immediate danger not anything about leaving a kid in the car. I looked it up before I ever left my child in the car and i've taken lots of extra precautions because of that law.
 
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September 18, 2008, 4:10 pm PDT

is it worth it?

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I babysit 3 grandchildren the oldest is 4 ,and there is no way I can walk into a store to pick up a pizza etc. with the 3 of them.  I have parked right in front of the window and walked in.  I lock the doors, the children are in their car seats and the windows only cracked.  I know something can happen in a second, but how can you always have all children at your side when you go pay for gas etc.  to be away for 1 minute.  I am very conscious of every second I am away from their side and they never leave my line of vision or if someone is too close to the car, I run back to it.

However in our city we have had 2 very educated women (1 a professor and 1 an assistant principal) who left their children in the hot car all day resulting in the children dying and nothing happens to them.  I think it is time for people to be responsible for their actions and pay attention to what they are doing.  I can't imagine not looking in your back seat to see if anything or anyone is there before you get out of a car.  If people complain about this, I think people are afraid they will come up with riduculous laws, like stopping by a trash can to throw trash out and not taking the children with you, that you will get arrested.

I have 3 children under 5 and I would never, ever, ever leave them alone in the car to run in & get a pizza, pay for gas, for anything!  In fact, when I have had all 3 of them with me to go in to pick up a pizza, more than once all of us have stood by a car at the red curb to wait for the parent/gaurdian of the children left in a car.  I could not live with myself if I saw the children in that situation, something happened and I didn't do anything.

Yes it is a pain to get everyone unbuckled, walked safely across the parking, carrying pizza while watching out for them but so much better than the fear of what could happen in those few minutes that I am gone.  Pay the couple extra bucks for delivery and save your piece of mind - and your grandchildren.

I will even wake them up from a nap in the car if it is a necessary short errand.  As you said, it only takes a second for things to go wrong, why take that chance?

 
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September 18, 2008, 4:12 pm PDT

FOSTER PARENTS

I am very sorry for Edward and for what  happened to him and especially his mother. But Dr. Phil...What about a few good words about foster families. We have been a foster family for years and we love the children we have and are caring for.  We do the best we can. I know there are  some rotten foster homes but most of really do what we can. We deal with so much, how about a few words of encouragement. It is so easy to criticize, but how many are willing to open your home any time day and night. We deal with every emotion, every behavior that you can imagine. We hold children who miss their family and other who want you to keep them away from their families. Have you changed the diaper of a 8 year old and older? Have you ever had a 2 year tell you about her sexual abuse like it was perfectly normal. ...Let us all do what we can do for these poor children, but please support the families who really do care...MIRIAM
 
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