Topic : 12/26 "Brainwashed by My Parents"

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(Original Air Date: 10/03/08) It’s being called the ultimate form of child abuse -- brainwashing your children against an ex-spouse to win custody. Could you be harming your child emotionally and not even know it? First up, Ken is a successful surgeon who says he’s the victim of parental alienation syndrome (PAS). He says he hasn’t seen his 14-year-old son since last October and claims his ex-wife destroyed what was once a loving father-son relationship. Mel Feit, director of the National Center for Men, says Ken’s situation is a classic case of kids being turned against their father, but family law attorney Liz Kates says PAS is a phony tactic used by some men to get out of paying child support. What does Dr. Phil think? Then, Karen lost custody of her children after she was accused of parental alienation syndrome by her ex-husband. Karen maintains her innocence, so why were her parental rights terminated when her daughters accused her ex of sexual abuse? Plus, 19-year-old Demi joins the show via Web cam and says her father verbally abused her mother during their divorce. Now, she fears that her 15-year-old sister is caught in the middle. Find out what you can do if you’re caught between sparring parents. And, meet a father so desperate to see his young children, he kidnapped them from his ex-wife and went on the lam for two years. Talk about the show here.


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October 3, 2008, 8:11 pm PDT

Where is the Justice? Not in the Best Interest of the Child !

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It is obvious that this parental alienation issue has been around for quite some time. There are many, many scarred kids who are now grown ups that speak and write about their personal unfortunate circumstances. Look at the emotion and the interest that is generated by today's show. Go in any library and see all the books addressing a problem that did not originate last week or last year. Search online for parental alienation (PA) or parental alienation syndrome (PAS)...you will be amazed at the volume of documented, specifics on the seriousness of the problems...cases happening today...and, without much imagination, one can get a good visual on the magnitude of this compounding problem looking forward.

 

There are hostile, aggressive dad's and mom's...don't miss this point...our grandchildren have been alienated from their biological mother (our daughter), from us, our daughters' friends and blood relatives. Our daughter's ex, even after his remarriage and the passage of almost 4 yrs time, has successfully navigated the California family court system to avoid compliance with original and subsequent court orders for 50/50 custody and 50/50 visitation. In fact, his superb manipulative skills; deep pockets of continuing income; and, angry, vindictive nature...coupled with "brainwashing" techniques practiced from more than a few years before their separation...has surely caused psychological damages to two young boys.

 

There are two (2) important matters that MUST be addressed without further delay. First: Family courts have let our children down by not originally REQUIRING that divorcing parents always allow children to continue loving and interacting with BOTH parents. Exceptions only need occur when one or the other parent is disqualified from contact with his/her children because of a court recognized issue. Second: Mental health and psychological agencies must be forced to recognize and address the seriousness of this matter. We cannot any longer tolerate such an extensive "syndrome" being ignored and swept under the rug. Look...if they cannot bring themselves to establish a meaningful standard for diagnosis of this character/behavioral mental illness which adversely affected so many children for so many years, that can be applied by the money-grubbing psychological therapists and evaluators, we need to have them put out of business.

My mother actually called me to watch this show today, since it hit home on my existing situation. 

 

I left the marital home under duress from an antagonizing and controlling spouse who told me after our daughter was born that she and the child don't need me anymore.  This was extremely painful, after I did everything to ensure her and the baby were healthy in the first 1-1/2 yrs of my daughter's life.  I even let my ex-wife stay home from work for a year to care and bond with our first and only child.  When I left in Aug 2005, I could only see my daughter in the marital home, but insisted that the mother not be present.  This was because I feared the mother would continue to make false allegations of domestic violence and call the authorities on me.  She had done this 3 times before I left and there was no evidence of violence, but police reports were taken.  I saw the writing on the wall and feared for my safety (and even hers if she pushed me to the brink) and had no choice but to leave the situation before it escalated to something far worse.  Therefore, I saw my daughter in the marital home with a caregiver/nanny present.  I could not even retrieve my personal property until Dec 2005 by court order and then my visitation was established. 

 

Through a bitter divorce the mother alleged I was an endangerment to my child driving due to sleep apnea and further alleged I was a drug user.  I was under therapy for my sleep apnea which posed no dangers at all and was not a drug user.  Finally a divorce decree was given in Dec 2006, but since I had not been with my daughter other than twice a week for 2 hrs under the previous order, the court, on the advice of a psychiatrist, decided to put me on a transitional "unsupervised" visitation of two days a week for (2) hrs over 2 months beginning in Feb 2007 and extended to (5) hrs beginning in April 2007.  The full visitation was to begin in Jan 2008.  On my 3rd and last home visit with my daughter (now 3) at the beginning of the 5 hr visits, my ex-wife reported me to Child Protective Services alleging that my daughter was sexually abused by her father in the home.  The next month, she went to court to suspend all contact between me and our child, while I took her to court for contempt of my visitations.  I have payed for childcare before the divorce and a ridiculous amount of child support for one child (because our incomes exceeded 1980s statute guidelines) afterwards, along with all health benefits for my daughter to this day.  The mother reported to the Child Protective Services, during the investigation, that she had been sexually abused by her father when she was child.  The family services finally concluded their investigation of the complaint, which was "unfounded", but it was in the jurisdiction where I lived and not that of the mother & child. 

 

Back into court again to present my case.  With no evidence of abuse by me, the mother presents witnesses (daycare workers) that saw our child act in a sexualized manner.  The judge finally orders that the child have a forensic evaluation to see if she had been abused.  I was then placed on "supervised" visitation in May 2007, which I'm still on, awaiting another re-scheduled trial which was to occur in Sept 2008.  The forensic evaluator, Dr. Joyanna Silberg, who recently appeared on the MIke & Juliet show, ridicules PAS, particularly in light of Alec Baldwin's new book on the market.  When she was selected as the court-appointed forensic evaluator, I reviewed her male-bashing website which also argued that PAS was used by fathers to get custody and escape child support..  She interviewed me and never once considered that my ex-wife was sexually abused as a child, had made these false allegations in court, and was deliberately interferring with my contact and visitation with our child.  Her report biasly tried to link the child's behavior to her father, even though the child was not credible for any disclosure and there was never any evidence of abuse by me.  This is PAS to the Nth Degree and it has financially drained me to fight for my daughter's well-being, who has been subjected to mental & health professionals (not just the two (2) forensic evaluations, but numerous Dr. visits for all kinds of symptoms) and I fear she has been mentally abused for something that never occurred. 

 

I consistently have maintained this restricted supervised visitation environment in the interest of my daughter.  The motivation that keeps me going is seeing my daughter's smile when she sees me every visit and of course calling me "Daddy".  Gifts that I have given her during visits are never seen again.  I love that my daughter voluntarily tells me she loves me, asks for hugs and kisses, all in the presence of a supervised monitor in a small play room.  I haven't even been able to take my daughter outside to a park next door since Oct 2007, because the mother alleged the monitor was not close enough to hear our conversations, eventhough the monitor insisted she was doing her job.  I have not even been able to take a picture of my daughter for a year to show to her grandparents (who haven't seen her since she was 1 yrs old), because the mother alleges the child poses in a sexually suggestive manner.  The mother also restricted me from providing any food during visitation, citing the child is overweight and is on a strict diet. 

The agencies that provide supervised court ordered visitations are often non-profits who use volunteers, so my daughter and I have seen over 10 different staff since May 2007.  No consistency for the child and she's had to adapt to all these different strangers that come and go.  These agencies also put in place rules to restrict non-custodial parent's interaction and bonding when "sexual abuse" is alleged, but insist they are acting in the best interest of the child, even when there is no evidence of abuse or there is no discomfort of the child during visits.

 

I'm sorry for this long reply, but as you can tell it has been very frustrating.  I guess writing this has allowed me to vent my feelings and just see how many other fathers are in anguish over their rights to their children being infringed upon.  I've only been able to maintain by keeping my focus on my daughter, praying a hell of a lot with the love and support of family and friends and trying to keep my sanity to  maintain my job.  I've witnessed an inept legal system, even when no evidence is presented to prove any allegations, mental professionals seeking more money for questionable evaluations and of course major attorney fees (I'm on my 2nd attorney who specializes in false sexual abuse cases).  After now filing for custody, as my only alternative to save my daughter from a mentally disturbed over-protective mother, I'm still awaiting a chance to present the merits of my case to the court.  The BEST INTEREST OF THE CHILD does not even seem to be a paramount concern, as my daughter has been subjected to numerous doctors and mental health professionals and has only seen her father in a small playroom, two times a week, for 2 hrs, since she was 3 yrs old.  She is now 4-1/2 and it's still not over.  It's been 3 yrs of hell since I left in Aug 2005, but I'm determined to keep up the fight for my daughter's welfare, until I'm no longer financially able.  If my ex-wife wins, I can only imagine how she will tell our daughter how her father never loved her and abandoned the family.  I know my daugher will grow up and seek the truth and I've kept a library of evidence.  I won't have to ever bad mouth the mother, since my daughter will see all the true evidence for herself.  Daddy Loves You-Sweetheart !

 
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October 3, 2008, 8:14 pm PDT

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I realize that PAS is a highly debated issue after reading through many of the previous messages. However, what I want to say relates to the woman who lost custody of her 2 girls to her husband who may have molested them. I am very disturbed that they are now living with this man and may still be dealing with this abuse on a daily basis. Maybe I missed something but I really want to know if this case can be revisited by proper authorities. I was left with such a horrible feeling thinking those girls may be living in this abuse. If I missed information, please clue me in. I would like to have peace about this. Thank you.
 
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October 3, 2008, 8:25 pm PDT

PAS is real!

and does not always happen during a divorce.  My "husbad" has been working just as hard as he possibly can to alienate my dear son against me.  My son and I were as close as we could possibly be until his dad decided that was the best way to hurt me.  I am now the evil, horrible, mean, crazy bitch in the family.  They meet secretly and won't let me into the conversations, they make deals behind my back, his father has no consequences at all for any behavior and if I try to have some, he takes them away.  He has told my son that I am a drug addict and alcoholic.  It goes on and on and on.  I went from being a loved, happy, content mom to someone he won't even talk to.  My son refuses to answer my phone calls, ignores me if I try to talk to him and they only speak to me if they both come together in an obvious two on one attack.  We are no divorces.  I cannot afford it, and my "husband" says if I leave I'll never see my kids again.  This is brainwashing!!!  He has completely turned my son against me and lies about everything to him.  I can't tell you how upsetting and sad this is.  This is not just a mom thing . .   Dad's alienate!!  He hates me and he is willing to sacrifice this fine young man to get to me.  It is dispicable!!
 
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October 3, 2008, 8:28 pm PDT

Mt Heads Spinning!!!!

Dr Phil you are the one who needs to lead a crusade to save these poor kids caught in the middle of their parents divorce crap!  These parents need to sit down with a good family therapist and have their eyes opened to what they are doing to their children!  Ya'll are poisoning your kids!  Can't you see it?  This is not a gender issue.  Fathers and mothers both act like this!  It needs to stop!  It needs to stop!
 
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October 3, 2008, 8:38 pm PDT

PAS Used by my Controlling/Abusive Men

Dr. Phil,
   I had to get a sitter to watch this show so I could watch it without my kids present due to all I am dealing with. I am divorced over 5 yrs now and this stuff still continues.
     I left an abusive marriage, sought help from a Domestic Violence Support group, help with an online abuse forum, I keep up with many materials and urge all women here dealing with this to read "Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft. There are chapters in this book on the courts and therapists, etc.

   We have many women who have to post in hiding, who are being stalked in real life and ONLINE. We have ex husbands who accuse US of Parental Alienation. I have never once used this term to my kids or my ex. Yet He accuses me of it. We are taught in Co Parenting courses and Parenting classes thru the courts to "Not talk badly or bad mouth the other parent" which many of us DO ABIDE BY.

  The problem is  What do you do? When you have an abusive controlling manipulative ex spouse who does NOT stop doing this? Yet you as the Mother maintain keeping your mouth shut for your kids, but your kids are being brainwashed and told bad things about Mom on a regular basis and your kids come home and explode out of nowhere (which I deal with every few mos or so) and then my kids unleash all of the garbage Dad has been telling them. My Kids are confused, they dont know who to believe, they are angry at me over lies Dad has told. So my problem is "What does a Mom do in this situation?" I know what my ex is capable of, yet I cant say anything about it per court orders. Yet my ex violates that and does it anyways, then my kids come home erupting with Dads allegations against me, my kids dont get why Dad would lie to them.

    This topic is so insidious you would not believe. The show barely touched the surface of it. And all the segments were so short and stories so vastly different. I think a good episode would be to take grown children of these situations and let them speak TODAY about what happened.

    I combat this on a regular basis, I try and tell my kids "Dad and I are not to talk to you two about grown up issues" , "Grown ups dont always say and do the right things"

  But when you have an ex actively undermining you and you are confronted by your child whos a teen, then what? Do you continue to stand and just say nothing? And as they become teens they begin to get angry and tired of this themselves. Then the rage, anger, manipulation from the child playing the parents, all that stuff comes into play. Teens do get mad and say they hate their parents, they do play a parent against one another, they DO gravitate towards who will give them more freedoms and can turn on a good parent for selfish reasons, because they are not equipped to handle this.

Please Please Dr. Phil, I beg of you, to really cover this topic more, devote a show to those of us who are dealing wtih Abusers who twist and turn this around and throw this at the mothers. PROJECTION. Do many people know what that is? When a person accuses someone of the very thing they are doing?

Alec Baldwin comes to mind.

To all of you other parents TRULY dealing with this, who have examined your hearts and are not acting out of pure selfish motive but truly trying to protect your kids, I applaud you but I also urge you to be strong, this is a tough road. Im 5 yrs out with an ex who has STILL not let go and continues to inflict this garbage on our kids and I have no way to make it stop. Other then go broke with lengthy court fees, emotional trauma to me and the kids, a circus where he lies, cons and blame shifts....

What more can we do? All I have left is prayers for God to watch over my kids and show them the truth and guard their hearts. I just pray for a day of Peace to come when it will be out of my life and I can live normally again without this constantly looming around my kids and I.


 
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October 3, 2008, 8:39 pm PDT

I EXPERIENCED THIS GROWING UP

I am now 37 years old & currently in weekly therapy for pain management of a back injury.  During this therapy, I have also been dealing with my relationship with my father.  Growing up, my mom was a strong single parent and was my rock even though there was constant slandering from both my mom and dad against one another through me.  I was a ping-pong ball stuck in the middle of a very long match.  There are many factors which have caused an unhealthy relationship (on and off again, now off for 3 years) with my dad so not just the constant battle was an issue although it was and has been wearing on me my entire life.  Again, I am 37 years old and just this week, my mom finally took ownership of her responsibility in the relationship with my dad and has apologized for her actions putting me in the middle so I am in the healing process right now.  However, once the damage is done, it is never forgotten and now I am struggling to decide whether or not to contact my dad again.  I don't agree with much of his thinking especially alienating himself from my 1/2 brother whom I didn't know about until I was 22 years old because he had him when living on the otherside of the US while married to my mom and my dad's entire family hid the secret until one day grandpa slipped.  Needless to say, I have some serious advice from a child who went through a bitter divorce, to all of you parents.....DO NOT PUT YOUR CHILD IN THE MIDDLE!! GROW UP, OWN YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AND MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE BECAUSE ALL YOU WILL DO IS TURN YOUR OWN CHILDREN ON YOURSELF.  It isn't worth the digs to your ex and please stop being selfish about your own feelings and remember what you are doing to your child. It stays with them forever, I know this from experience.   You need to break the chain and learn to hadnle difficult circumstances with common sense and empathy.  Thank you Dr. Phil for having this segment; great timing! 

 
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October 3, 2008, 8:40 pm PDT

10/03 "Brainwashed by My Parents"

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I was just told by the dependency court - the nose tweek was not dv. Now I get to go back and correct that injustace.

When I was at cps. The x's case worker grabbed the documents in my hand and started pulling on them in front of everybody.

Isn't that DV?

Judge Paul, Los Angeles superior court.

Referred to it as "the infamous  nose tweeking case.

he also.... said, I have no record. The other city could make a parking ticket out of it if they wanted

I have all documentation proving all that I say.

So I am not interested in your man hating point of view.

My children and I have a serious problem.

And I told my  story  like many others have.

Do you judge all of them....

It might be wiser since your oppinions are not fact. To show some curtisy and understanding for other people ploblems.

If if you can not find anything positive to say or something you know to be true. Stay out of it.

It adds to the grief!

Not to be sracastic towards you but the last time I looked, the depndency court was not an expert in domestic violence.  The duluth model of power and control describes domestic violence and you tweaking your wife's nose is an attempt to control or subdue her.  I also believe that your dependency court judge needs to get some real quick training in what is and is not domestic violence.  While in the eyes of the law your nose tweak does not fit the criteria for dv, it most certainly does fit in the psychological viewpoint of dv.  Do a search for Duluth Power and Control Wheel.  Your nose tweak is classified as intimidation (making her afraid using looks, actions, gestures) and can also be classified under minimizing, denying, blaming (making light of the abuse or not taking her concerns about it seriously).

 

So to wherever in the world your dependency court judge is, I hope he catches wind of this program and reads this forum (doubt that will happen though).  This is simply because you did commit domestic violence and I would have to wonder if your ex-wife would have more stories similar to this one to share with us.

 
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October 3, 2008, 8:44 pm PDT

enlightened? NOT!

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I was so enlightened by Dr. Phil today   I will keep it short My daugher went to live with her father in March and recently has not been returning  my calls nor interested in seeing me. The last time I saw her - she had me pick her up and return her to a friend's house - that was over 2 months ago. I still actually have legal custody and about a month ago - my ex moved to a new home and did not notify me of the address. My attorney contacted hisattorney and then I recieved an e-mail with the new address.

 

I am waiting to go to court because he wants custody,

 

I have decided to fight this - My ex is not a healthy person and although she is 14 -  I am giving the information of Parental Alienation to my attorney.

 

Thank You Dr.Phil for helping me to make some sence of all my pain these past several months.

 

Most Sincerley

Let it go!  You'll both alienate your daughter if you keep fighting!

 
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October 3, 2008, 8:45 pm PDT

Lost Custody to Unfaithful Exhusband

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I have been separated for 7 years, having been married for 23.  For the last 8 years of our marriage, my ex-husband suffered from Clinical Depression.  As far as I know, he still does.  We have no direct contact.

 

During the early part of our separation, my ex accused me of alienating our two sons from him.  The accusation came to me through my lawyer.  While he has stopped accusing me (at least I haven't heard anything more) it was extremely hurtful at the time and I still remember the feeling it caused. 

 

I consider myself a good Mom and I think my sons agree.  I'd be lying if I said that I have never said a bad word about my ex to them.  After all, I'm human.  However, it is his behaviour that has alienated our older son, not anything I said.  Without going into it all, my ex is guilty of physical abuse (just once, that's all it took), emotional abuse (saying that our sons would be better off in foster care than with me - if I'm so bad, why didn't he take them?) and financial abuse (he refuses to pay child support),  For the first couple of years, I insisted that both sons see their father.  Eventually, our older son got to the age where he could make his own choice.  He chose to cut off all contact.  Our younger son still has a relationship with his father, which I do not discourage in any way.

 

My point is that just because a child cuts off contact with the non-custodial parent, it's not always the fault of the costodial parent.  Some of these people have to take ownership for their own behaviour and accept the fact that they just might be at fault.

 

Karen

I lost custody of my son 1986 when my son was 10 years old because my exhusband told my son that if he told the judge behind closed chambers that I  had a gun to his head he would be granted custody.

Well he won.

My son admitted to the lie many years later in a letter to me.

Since then he has been brainwashed by his father and my son has been on drugs with his father since he was 13 years old. Both of them are in and out of jail constantly.

He never finished High School and is 34 years old and homeless now.

All because my ex husband could not stand it that I wanted to live a straight life and could have given my child alot more then him. His father never wanted to work. He was a scam man. A fraud!

It was more fun living with his Dad.

I wanted structure for my son.

This is what kind of selfish man he is.

So this woman you had on your show is insane and does not know what pain in your heart is for the last 23 years.

What kind of law do we have??? 

What kind of judges do we have???

My son has not contacted me in 7 years.

Sad in California

 

 
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October 3, 2008, 8:52 pm PDT

A Father's Rights

I stumbled upon tonight's show about Parental Alienation Syndrome and listened to the panel of guest speakers, and it is truly disheartening when you know that children are inherently placed in the middle of a situation that they did not choose.  At the end of the day, there really is not a way to fully provide an opportunity for their voice to be heard, as they love both of their parents.  Nonetheless, I heard the word "custody" being utilized many times during the back-and-forth discussion and testimonials and in the state of Colorado the Colorado Revised Statutes state that "custody" should not be utilized when you are referring to a child, as it is deemed and/or considered that the child is property when this terminology is used. 

The quick 50,000 foot level review is this...Father's do not get the same rights as Mother's do when it comes to who the child is going to reside.  Once the home is separated for the child (father's home vs. mother's home), you run into issues for the child that no one, especially a judge and not your panel female attorney can state is "evidence" enough to prove which home is best.  Case law shows that Mothers can be severely mentally ill and the primary residence still goes to the Mother.  Mother can have a history of white collar crime, and a case law will state that is just a matter of "poor financial" judgement.  Why is it that the judges that are usually placed as "family court" justices primary background and experience does not illustrate this type of law/legal background.  All the parent truly sees is the dollars that need to be paid to mediators, attorneys, and court costs in order to have a glimpse of time with their children.  The focus is not the amount of days that a Father wants in order to abate paying extra child support, but let's say what we mean and mean what we say.  Things have not changed and we are all as a society entering into 2009...men do not have a legal right to their children when it comes to residential custodialship.  Men are still considered the providers and that they do not have the ability to spend time with their children unless they hire a special advocate, beg an attorney to help, but only after they drop a cool few grand as a retainer to get things rolling, and then they can be led down a terrible path of having to utilize a mediator vs. the court who is a woman (like me), but doesn't provide the law as a guide for how time for the child should be spent with both parents, but instead provide that the child be able to make a choice at the age of 12/13 of where they want to go and be with on holidays and weekend, etc.  Heck, I don't recall being able to choose what I wore outside of the house at that age let alone have to make an adult decision, which will have ramifications for both parents for who that child will spend time with...  Can't you see that divorce is the number one topic, next to our economy, next to the presidential election, next to energy saving devices, etc?  How many people both adults and children that you know have been impacted by divorce?  This should not be just a show on a Friday evening, but a showcase to show more about Father's rights.  As you can see, my plight is for Fathers.  Do you know that well over 90% of the time, Father's are truly not even considered during a custody hearing as being the person to have residential custody (there is that word again)?  Yes-yes, it has to be said as I type my thoughts quickly that even though both parents share joint custody per the court (50%/50%), what does that really mean when the residential custodian decides when, where, what, and how?  Then, sends the Father the bill even though the Mother is receiving full benefits and allocated dollars each month for the child?  The Mother doesn't utilize all of the child support for the child.  Since there is a schedule for everything else for child support and technology is what it is today, shouldn't there also be a schedule for how the recipient utilizes the child support money for the child?  Hmmm...another law that should be brought into the 21st century...child support schedule that documents that the money was a percentage of the overhead expenses and other expenses for the child?  What is wrong with this idea?  Everything else is dictated with schedules.  Personal snapshot:  The Mother moved the child over 75 miles away from the Father...the courts did not do anything.  The Mother dictates travel, pick up and drop off, etc...I mean everything for the child.  The Mother supplied garnishment papers to the Father's workplace when he was never late on child support, so the Father decided to pay child support voluntarily through the court, so she could not cast a web of lies around the Father about child support.  The court did denounce her notice of garnishment and stated that "next time" proper notification had to be provided and true facts of late payment had to be in place prior to submitting such a document.  The Mother has been on the news for white collar crime.  The Mother has even stole from other children with a stealing a large girl organization monies and was arrested for it.  The Father laid down close to $75,000 in attorney fees for the child custody battle in order to get his child and provide a more stable home environment for the child.  In addition, the Father and I have provided furniture, clothing, money, extra flights, 800#, email account access, etc. for the child so when the power is out again at her Mom's house, the phone is out again at her Mom's house, etc., she has a way to reach her Father.  Courts, attorneys, and mediators all start to sound like the female attorney you had on your show.  Not only are they clueless when it comes to what they are doing can severely impact the lives of many children, but that they are also BLIND when it comes to the real issues.  Fathers want time with their children. Fathers are parents too.  Fathers want to do more for their children.  This is a different generation, and yes, the residential custodian can have STRONG manipulation on a child.  So much so that she says because the child lives with her that "she knows what her thoughts and wishes are."  Earlier this year, we found out that the child "begged" and cried asking to live with her Father.  It is our understanding that the Mother went into a manic phase of crying, screaming and "you don't love me" discussion with the child that the child is worried about "stressing" out her Mother when she even "asks to spend time with Dad."  Please Dr. Phil, do more, more than you have ever done before for children who are growing up learning how to be "pleasers" because they do not have rights themselves.  It is not a choice for the children and there is absolutely no constituational right or justice for a Father in this country.  Times have changed and men want to be with their children--they are not a paycheck, they are people who should be a guidepost for their children.  Okay, I have quickly typed my draft novella...thank you for your time. 
 
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