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Parents and college students, listen up! College campuses all across the country are dealing with issues relating to sexual assault, drinking deaths and hazing. Did you know that as many as one in four college women are victims of rape or attempted sexual assault? And that 84 percent of college men who committed rape said that what they did would not be defined as rape in their own minds? Know the safety tips and warning signs before you or your child is caught in a crisis. Dr. Phil’s first guest, Cynthia, is a mother in anguish over the loss of her daughter, 19-year-old freshman, Megan. Seven months after Megan was allegedly gang raped by at least three men in her dormitory, the student took her own life. Attorney Gloria Allred represents Cynthia in a civil lawsuit claiming that Dominican College failed to investigate Megan’s alleged attack in any meaningful way. Hear the bizarre and disturbing twist in this story. Then, meet another freshman who’s already had two frightening experiences in her first month of college that left her mother wanting to bring her home. Plus, learn what you can teach your teen before he or she heads off to college, and the top five safety tips all students need to know to protect themselves on campus. Talk about the show here.

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October 20, 2008, 6:48 am PDT

It's Disgusting!

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Hi.  I read your story.  I, too, was raped; the police knew who the perpetrator was within minutes; I went through hell during my rape exam (not to mention the interrogations); and got no help from the police nor the Prosecutors.  In fact, I was turned into the criminal and the rapist was turned into the victim.  I was told it was a "he said/she said" case and nothing could be done about it.

 

I still hurt a great deal more than 2 years after my rape.  I wrote the story of it in:  "Similar Story" on page 17 or probably 18 of this blog.  Look for LadyJan423's story with that title--and you'll read about my ordeal.  I bleed for every "sister" out there who has been raped. And I bleed more for those who've been raped--and have been blamed, gotten no help from law enforcement.

 

I feel your pain...

  The way in which women are treated is flat out disgusting. If you are raped "you must have been asking for it". I was raped at a very young age and was a virgin. I felt such intense shame and also felt responsible so I never told anyone. I finally told my mother and husband about 15 years or so after the fact. I was slipped something into my cola and passed out.

  A few years later when I was 20 years old, I was a victim of an attempted kidnapping and assault with a deadly weapon. It's a long story that I won't get into, but I was lucky enough to have gotten away with only a small cut from the knife. He was found later that night and went to prison for 4 years. I later found out that he had planned on raping and killing me.

  You want to know what the hurt the worst out of this entire tragic event in my life? Not the Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, not the anxiety attacks, not even the fact that at 44 years old I am still unable to sleep with the lights off when my husband is out of town. But the fact that after it happened the first question out of everyones mouth was "What were you wearing?". Did it matter? I happened to be about as unsexy as I could get with jeans, a t-shirt, and tennis shoes. But what does it even matter? If I was dressed "cute" or even a little "sexy" does that mean that I "asked" or "deserved" to be raped and murdered? I think not!

  Until society educates themselves on this very important topic this will never change. Rape is not about sex at all. It is a violent act on the part of the man who has a need for aggression, power, and usually has intense anger issues towards women. When will we "Women" get to stop taking the blame for this and continue to be victimized all over again? I hope soon!

 
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October 20, 2008, 6:54 am PDT

Judging Others?

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I know as a mother what it is like loosing a daughter but I am not going to place blame on anyone but myself. I should have tried to do more for my daughter. Cynthia, did your daughter have prior mental health problems? Did you try to take her to counseling? Did you place blame on others because you were ashamed of your daughters actions? Did you act right away? Did you ignore the signs? Think about it. Blaming the college your daughter went to and putting your daughter's face on the TV, and in newspapers is not doing her justice, it is exploiting her! Are you trying to get money out of this? That was not discussed in the show? Are you asking for a monetary settlement? If so, what are you going to do with the money. It will not bring back your daughter. It will only be a constant reminder. Think hard before you keep pursuing this. No big time lawyer will bring you closure.  
Why do you have to judge others in how they are handling their grief? Yes, maybe she will hire a big time lawyer and sue their pants off, so what? As you mentioned, you lost a child also. Has anyone tried to tell you how to grieve or handle your own pain? I hope not! And I don't feel it's right for anyone to judge others as well. As a matter of fact I would think that you would have even more empathy than someone who has never gone through this. Everyone is different, everyone has to grieve in their own way. What I suggest is, if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all. And BTW, my husband and I have also lost a child, although not to suicide. But we do know the pain, so I know of which I speak.
 
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October 20, 2008, 1:27 pm PDT

10/14 Campus Crisis

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I am so glad in the days I went to college we didn't have co-dorms, because girls and boys are so different it is very obvious and can the so-called responsible adults understand what is on young girls and young boys minds because at some point in their lives they were a young adult.

Rape in this country has always gone on and the real rapist has always got away.  Did you know that a white man has never been convicted of raping a black woman in the history of this, this, this country.  Some white men has been accused but has not went to jail.

 

It is sad, it is sad that this so-called greatest country on god green earth has so many problem with males and females relationship.  The reason is big business!

 

Personally, I think most  females of college age is not ready to leave home and stay on a college campus by themselves.  I think these young girl of college age today act like 12 or 13 year old girls compared  to the girls went I was of college.   When I was in college in the 1960s you didn't hear of rape, well I didn't and my friends didn't.  I think one of the problem with young girls today is their mom's.  Also, these mom's today don't have a back bone because from working for corporate america because most women today care more about their jobs than raising their young daughter to be a future women of tomorrow.  Instead, today this is the worst time in history for a young male to go out and choose a mate.

Oh, by the way, my mother, first and second wife was rape.  My second wife was rape on a college campus.

The young girls of college age today seem so young to you because now you are old.  When you were in college, you were the same age and you didn't think of the girls as being young but I bet your parents or grandparents looked at them as too young to be out on the own.  Back in the '50's and '60's it wasn't unusual for women to get married at 16, 17 or 18 and not even finish high school.  Women stayed home and raised the kids, husbands went out to work.  Women were raped in the '50 and '60's also, ones that were raised by mothers who were house wives, those who were house wives themselves.  Rape happened in the Biblical times even!  I doubt that your mother's mother or your first and second wife's mothers worked outside the home.  Just because you and your friends didn't hear of it happening doesn't mean it didn't happen.  Chances are the women didn't report it because of the shame, they blamed themselves because that is what women who have it happen does.  Even if they did report it, it may not have been taken seriously since there was no DNA testing back then, it was his word against hers and like you and a lot of people, think that she deserves it because she is independent, she dresses a bit to sexy, she put herself in a position to have it happen to her. 

 

Back in the 60's no white man would be convicted of raping a black woman, that is a shame of our country, not an excuse on why it happens.  The crimes against the blacks back then were horrible and the fact that prejudice is a taught trait makes it even worse.  I was young in the 60's but I remember the one little black girl who came to our white school.  She was treated harshly and even as young as I was I knew it was wrong.  I remember how adopted children were treated as something strange too, anything that made you different.  I, for one, am glad that things changed from back then.  Kids now days are much more diversified then back then and much more tolerant.  One thing that hasn't changed is men trying to think they own women or are owed sex and that has to stop. 

 

Someone said rape isn't about sex, it is about power.  That is true in a lot of cases but not all.  Some think it is a game, how many women can you have sex with?  Some think of it as a way to show they are macho with "talking" women into having sex however they can.  We as parents need to teach our children, boys and girls, that sex isn't something to do as a pass time, it isn't a game.  We as parents need to teach our kids to respect each other, not to bully, to respect women.  I remember my dad always saying "only a sissy would hit a girl" and that is true but it should be only a desperate person would use violence to make themselves feel important.  I taught all my children if you resort to hitting, you lose because you aren't winning it by the facts.  Respect is the answer to most of our problems but to teach it, you have to show it and most rapists weren't raised with respect to their parents, respect from their parents and most of all respect for others.

 

This problem will get worse as time goes by because sex isn't something that you do with someone you plan on spending your life with, it is something that you do for fun and the challenge of getting something you shouldn't.

 
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October 20, 2008, 2:15 pm PDT

10/14 Campus Crisis

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The young girls of college age today seem so young to you because now you are old.  When you were in college, you were the same age and you didn't think of the girls as being young but I bet your parents or grandparents looked at them as too young to be out on the own.  Back in the '50's and '60's it wasn't unusual for women to get married at 16, 17 or 18 and not even finish high school.  Women stayed home and raised the kids, husbands went out to work.  Women were raped in the '50 and '60's also, ones that were raised by mothers who were house wives, those who were house wives themselves.  Rape happened in the Biblical times even!  I doubt that your mother's mother or your first and second wife's mothers worked outside the home.  Just because you and your friends didn't hear of it happening doesn't mean it didn't happen.  Chances are the women didn't report it because of the shame, they blamed themselves because that is what women who have it happen does.  Even if they did report it, it may not have been taken seriously since there was no DNA testing back then, it was his word against hers and like you and a lot of people, think that she deserves it because she is independent, she dresses a bit to sexy, she put herself in a position to have it happen to her. 

 

Back in the 60's no white man would be convicted of raping a black woman, that is a shame of our country, not an excuse on why it happens.  The crimes against the blacks back then were horrible and the fact that prejudice is a taught trait makes it even worse.  I was young in the 60's but I remember the one little black girl who came to our white school.  She was treated harshly and even as young as I was I knew it was wrong.  I remember how adopted children were treated as something strange too, anything that made you different.  I, for one, am glad that things changed from back then.  Kids now days are much more diversified then back then and much more tolerant.  One thing that hasn't changed is men trying to think they own women or are owed sex and that has to stop. 

 

Someone said rape isn't about sex, it is about power.  That is true in a lot of cases but not all.  Some think it is a game, how many women can you have sex with?  Some think of it as a way to show they are macho with "talking" women into having sex however they can.  We as parents need to teach our children, boys and girls, that sex isn't something to do as a pass time, it isn't a game.  We as parents need to teach our kids to respect each other, not to bully, to respect women.  I remember my dad always saying "only a sissy would hit a girl" and that is true but it should be only a desperate person would use violence to make themselves feel important.  I taught all my children if you resort to hitting, you lose because you aren't winning it by the facts.  Respect is the answer to most of our problems but to teach it, you have to show it and most rapists weren't raised with respect to their parents, respect from their parents and most of all respect for others.

 

This problem will get worse as time goes by because sex isn't something that you do with someone you plan on spending your life with, it is something that you do for fun and the challenge of getting something you shouldn't.

Rape is always about power; taking by force that which does not belong to you. There are always willing women, and there is always your left hand. If a man can talk a woman into sex, as long as she is in charge of all her faculties, then fair is fair. Personally I find sex to be a fabulous pastime. There is a difference between that and being promiscuous. Sex is healthy and as long as it's between consenting adults it's game on ;-)
 
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October 21, 2008, 1:39 am PDT

Very well put!

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The young girls of college age today seem so young to you because now you are old.  When you were in college, you were the same age and you didn't think of the girls as being young but I bet your parents or grandparents looked at them as too young to be out on the own.  Back in the '50's and '60's it wasn't unusual for women to get married at 16, 17 or 18 and not even finish high school.  Women stayed home and raised the kids, husbands went out to work.  Women were raped in the '50 and '60's also, ones that were raised by mothers who were house wives, those who were house wives themselves.  Rape happened in the Biblical times even!  I doubt that your mother's mother or your first and second wife's mothers worked outside the home.  Just because you and your friends didn't hear of it happening doesn't mean it didn't happen.  Chances are the women didn't report it because of the shame, they blamed themselves because that is what women who have it happen does.  Even if they did report it, it may not have been taken seriously since there was no DNA testing back then, it was his word against hers and like you and a lot of people, think that she deserves it because she is independent, she dresses a bit to sexy, she put herself in a position to have it happen to her. 

 

Back in the 60's no white man would be convicted of raping a black woman, that is a shame of our country, not an excuse on why it happens.  The crimes against the blacks back then were horrible and the fact that prejudice is a taught trait makes it even worse.  I was young in the 60's but I remember the one little black girl who came to our white school.  She was treated harshly and even as young as I was I knew it was wrong.  I remember how adopted children were treated as something strange too, anything that made you different.  I, for one, am glad that things changed from back then.  Kids now days are much more diversified then back then and much more tolerant.  One thing that hasn't changed is men trying to think they own women or are owed sex and that has to stop. 

 

Someone said rape isn't about sex, it is about power.  That is true in a lot of cases but not all.  Some think it is a game, how many women can you have sex with?  Some think of it as a way to show they are macho with "talking" women into having sex however they can.  We as parents need to teach our children, boys and girls, that sex isn't something to do as a pass time, it isn't a game.  We as parents need to teach our kids to respect each other, not to bully, to respect women.  I remember my dad always saying "only a sissy would hit a girl" and that is true but it should be only a desperate person would use violence to make themselves feel important.  I taught all my children if you resort to hitting, you lose because you aren't winning it by the facts.  Respect is the answer to most of our problems but to teach it, you have to show it and most rapists weren't raised with respect to their parents, respect from their parents and most of all respect for others.

 

This problem will get worse as time goes by because sex isn't something that you do with someone you plan on spending your life with, it is something that you do for fun and the challenge of getting something you shouldn't.

This was an excellent post! I also want to say that I agree with the fact that we have to teach our children to respect others. That is the most important value that a person can have, it is was is at the core of their character. If a son sees his father treat his mother badly, then of course he will usually follow suit and disrespect women also. It is a viscous circle! But, I do have to say that any form of rape is about power. When you mentioned that sometimes it's about sex being a game, it comes down to being a game about power. No matter how one looks at it, it still comes down to the same thing, power, rage, disrespect, and anger issues with women. And it needs to STOP! Also, this blaming the woman needs to stop. To coin an old phrase, no means no! Of course that only applies if the woman is conscious! That's another can of worms that needs to be addressed here.
 
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October 21, 2008, 1:46 am PDT

I agree with most of this.......................

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Rape is always about power; taking by force that which does not belong to you. There are always willing women, and there is always your left hand. If a man can talk a woman into sex, as long as she is in charge of all her faculties, then fair is fair. Personally I find sex to be a fabulous pastime. There is a difference between that and being promiscuous. Sex is healthy and as long as it's between consenting adults it's game on ;-)
But I don't happen to agree with your perception of being promiscuous. If you have sex with more men then you can remember, or even remember their names, that is being promiscuous. Of course sex is healthy, and of course it feels good. It's supposed to. But even between consenting adults there is a line that can be crossed that goes from being a self assured woman with a healthy appreciation for sex, and a woman who is promiscuous. I do not know you, and I have no idea what your numbers are. Nor is it my business. So I want to be very clear here that I am not calling you promiscuous. But women in general can be a bit too loose with the goodies for their own good.
 
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October 21, 2008, 11:18 am PDT

Campus Crisis

Dear Megan family,

Our deepest heartfelt thoughts and prayers to Megans family and friends. In the blogs below and comments I meant to say the "girls family" on most of those statements below. I was so sadden by one the folks taking this sad event lightly. I wish Megan had found a better outlet, I wish she had feared God. But, I don't judge suicide, as we never know their last thoughts and words to God. Even in the Garden Jesus cries out in painful agony for God to spare him of his pain he would endure for all mankind. Maybe Megan needed than pain to go away too. She did not see her life as important as you all do. We pray for your peace of mind and soul and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you in His wisdom and faith to let go and let God mend your pain at this time in Jesus name.   God Bless, Angeleyes33

 
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October 21, 2008, 1:09 pm PDT

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But I don't happen to agree with your perception of being promiscuous. If you have sex with more men then you can remember, or even remember their names, that is being promiscuous. Of course sex is healthy, and of course it feels good. It's supposed to. But even between consenting adults there is a line that can be crossed that goes from being a self assured woman with a healthy appreciation for sex, and a woman who is promiscuous. I do not know you, and I have no idea what your numbers are. Nor is it my business. So I want to be very clear here that I am not calling you promiscuous. But women in general can be a bit too loose with the goodies for their own good.

I didn’t make a statement, intimate or imply what my idea of promiscuity was, and to tell the truth I think it’s an antiquated term invented and employed by misogynists. I don’t like the term but it’s understood so I use it. My bad. I know growing up with west European parents made my ideas about sex different then my peers, and I’m glad of it. I believe that everyone's idea or perception of it is different, and it's not for me to judge. What I do believe is one’s sex life is private, so there should be no perception regarding anyone’s behaviour because it’s private... neat how that works eh?  ;-)
 
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October 21, 2008, 5:20 pm PDT

10/14 Campus Crisis

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Bad and dirty people and things are found everywhere... yeah...

But this is really scary. I will get my Masters Degree - hope this comes true - from a university in Saint Louis, Missouri and my brother is thinking of the same idea, but the problem is that we rarely have such bad behaviors where we live (in the Middle East); such as rapes, murdering... etc... and I've heard lots of such stories in the US...

 

I also got a story. My father studied at the same university in Missouri which I really hope I will be going to, he knew that I liked the idea of studying there so he began to tell me how to take care of myself and stuff.. but he was there like 25 years ago... I know that's a very long time ago, but man never changes, the internal desires and the bad ones never go away...

So yeah, my Daddy used to be friends with a great American family which had a nice lady who studied with my Dad... One day, this nice lady was going back home from university when one of her "colleagues" at the same university kidnapped her. Then, he raped her and finally tried to kill her. He thankfully couldn't... so yeah, this is really creepy.. if anyone could inform with good tips on how to be safe as a student (especially as a female one) in university, it would be great of him/her!

 

Good luck everyone & thanks! :)

First of all, never assume that these things rarely or don't happen around you.  Sometimes these behaviors go unreported. Go to the website of the university you plan to attend and look up campus safety.  You should be able to find the phone numbers for campus police/safety there as well as access to the Clery Act.  I programmed the numbers into my cell phone while I went to school.  There were several attacks near me with at least two within earshot.  Words can make a huge difference here.  I strongly suggest saying "no," "stop," "get away," "I said NO," among others if you are attacked.  A wordless scream or shriek can easily be mistaken for someone fooling around.  One time I looked out my window, saw nothing, and heard nothing more.  I waited to see if I heard anymore yelling and when I didn't I figured some people were just fooling around and went back to bed.  Two days later I found out someone had been attacked two buildings over.  Two weeks later, it was outside my window at 3:00 a.m.  The only reason I didn't call is because our building complex supervisors wife made it outside before my friend or I could reach the phone (if it happened today, I'd call anyway.)

 

You might want to take a self defense class.  I had to take one in high school and still use what I learned there 10 years later. Rape Aggression Defense Systems classes are very good programs and are often taught by local police departments or campus safety.  There may also be classes through the university physical education program.  I was afraid after being so close to these attacks, and the classes really helped me.  Good luck to you!

 
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October 21, 2008, 6:23 pm PDT

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Quote From: samalie

Bad and dirty people and things are found everywhere... yeah...

But this is really scary. I will get my Masters Degree - hope this comes true - from a university in Saint Louis, Missouri and my brother is thinking of the same idea, but the problem is that we rarely have such bad behaviors where we live (in the Middle East); such as rapes, murdering... etc... and I've heard lots of such stories in the US...

 

I also got a story. My father studied at the same university in Missouri which I really hope I will be going to, he knew that I liked the idea of studying there so he began to tell me how to take care of myself and stuff.. but he was there like 25 years ago... I know that's a very long time ago, but man never changes, the internal desires and the bad ones never go away...

So yeah, my Daddy used to be friends with a great American family which had a nice lady who studied with my Dad... One day, this nice lady was going back home from university when one of her "colleagues" at the same university kidnapped her. Then, he raped her and finally tried to kill her. He thankfully couldn't... so yeah, this is really creepy.. if anyone could inform with good tips on how to be safe as a student (especially as a female one) in university, it would be great of him/her!

 

Good luck everyone & thanks! :)

...but the problem is that we rarely have such bad behaviors where we live (in the Middle East); such as rapes, murdering... etc... and I've heard lots of such stories in the US...

It is amazing to me that you can write something like that without a mile and a half of wood growing from your nose. Women in the middle east are enslaved. The rape, murder, and abuse of women is well documented and institutionalized in the middle east. Women are abused worldwide but at least in the west it is unacceptable behaviour.
 
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